SHOCKING NEWS!!!
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londonfog
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Duhh.
UncleBuck
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you got laid by a female or male human, instead of adopting an animal from the shelter and having sex with it?
pnwmystery
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It is political bullshit by the Republicans. They don't have a plan to replace ACA, so they would effectively kick 22 million Americans off of health insurance and spike the prices of health insurance just to gain a political victory.
I think we're done.
NLXSK1
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ACA is a load of lies sold to you by the same politicians that are still fucking you over. They put 22 million more people on subsidized healthcare which makes it more expensive for the rest of us. My insurance just went up over 25% this year alone. Thanks Obama for lying to us about prices dropping. The healthcare bill is a huge steaming pile of shit.
However, the Republicans knew the bill would get vetoed so they just did it for political points. What that means is they just wasted the money that I pay for their salaries rather than actually sitting down and trying to get anything done. Which is why I am more pissed off at the Republicans right now than I am at the Democrats..
If we want cheap competitive healthcare we need to go to direct payer competitive models. There is a blood testing company out there that is a perfect example. In a perfect world we would have botique testing labs and surgical centers that specialize in certain needs with up front pricing.
And if you really want to see the cost of healthcare drop we need to stop making it 'Free' and have the bill follow the person around until they can pay it or they die.
UncleBuck
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nope. most are on exchanges.
you had to take out a bankl loan to buy groceries, now you want us to believe you can afford health insurance?
btw, health insurance is going up slower since the ACA was passed than at any point in history.
then why are you only shouting racial slurs at democrats?
or we can just do the opposite of what you want to do and do what the rest of the developed world does.
but you and facts don't get along, so keep being a republican.
pnwmystery
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My insurance is dropping. My friends insurances are dropping. The only people that I know that their insurance is going up live in states where there are a lot of people who refuse to pay into ACA or they're Republican. Premiums are actually rising slower than they did beforehand - there's empirical evidence for this.
doublejj
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My Kaiser Health Care monthly employee contribution dropped to "0" in 2016......thanks Obama
NLXSK1
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you just said it is getting more expensive for Republicans and less expensive for other people and you seem fine with that.... LOL!!!
My premium went from 280 to 360 per month and that is my empirical evidence.
pnwmystery
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I'm saying that it's probably a false illusion, or Republicans are more likely to be more vocal about it thus creating an illusory statement. You know how you only hear the monkeys that howl the loudest in the jungle?
My premiums went from $300/month down to $124/month. Moreover my medication for a rare autoimmune went from just around $5,000 ($2,000 out of pocket) every 8 weeks to $30.
Also if I want to change my health insurance I can! And I won't be afraid that the next insurer can go, "Nope! Autoimmune disease, preexisting condition, no insurance for you."
Rob Roy
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Prices usually go down when the number of suppliers proliferates and demand remains constant.
So when government creates regulations which restrict or limit the number of potential service providers in a given service area, they are part of the cause of the problem, hence not a part of the solution.
No "plan" is needed other than cronyism and facism and all the other isms of government simply need to get out of the way.
Attempts by the government to reengineer economic "laws" by statutory laws is like trying to outlaw gravity.
pnwmystery
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This to me is the fundamental problem. Healthcare shouldn't be a market.
I've come to the conclusion based upon recent figures and actions, evolution of the ACA will be much like SS, a 'pay it forward' model.
Are you aware that a staggering 50% of marketplace insurance companies have folded?
Since the pool has become smaller the companies remaining have a monopoly effect calling their own premium shots at what was first touted as having many to choose from that first year with competitive pricing..exactly what was not supposed to happen did.
Are you aware that a staggering 50% of marketplace insurance companies have folded?
Since the pool has become smaller the companies remaining have a monopoly effect calling their own premium shots at what was first touted as having many to choose from that first year with competitive pricing..exactly what was not supposed to happen did.
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The issue wansnt restriction or limitation but the cost of a new start up insurance company, putting together exchanges and contracting doctors for the exchanges.
Rob Roy
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One thing causes the other.
The single biggest cause of low business startups IS regulatory hurdles, licensure etc.
OddBall1st
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It has to be or big health care like Blue Cross will never be able to compete and see huge drops for better value same coverage. That`s what lead Obama to sell out his almost perfect first draft to what you have today.
OddBall1st
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Most exchanges are investing your money without telling you so, before it reaches the insurance companies accounts, you better hope it`s available when you need it because the hospital will refuse you if they can`t find your money.
NLXSK1
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Yes, because we should not have innovation and competition, it should be a monopoly like the electric company... Oh wait.
If healthcare is a right then food and water are rights so all food, water, housing, healthcare should be free. Of course you would have to be assigned living space, you could not pick your own. Hey, this is sounding exactly like North Korea, I saw it in a documentary the other day. The people look so happy there as they worship their dear leader!!
pnwmystery
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Actually single payer systems lead to innovation because what happens is they try to save money for everyone. So then they go out to the medical companies and they say: What's the best, most reliable, and cheapest thing you can make? Then they pick that one which is the best for everyone. Yeah, sorry, another thing I studied and you've given me a rudimentary/elementary argument for.