Short veg time LST? Yes or no?

TreeFiddy350

TreeFiddy350

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How do you feel about doing LST for short veg cycles?

I planned on doing 4-6 weeks from clone. 2 weeks to root then 2-4 weeks for veg, then flip to flower.

My thought process was doing a little bit of LST to help with the stretch in flower.

Do you think doing LST would stunt the growth too much? Or not be worth it since the veg time will be somewhat short?

I’m looking for other opinions and thoughts about this.

The reason I’m doing short veg time is because I have no limit on how much I can grow and trying to get maybe 1oz per plant and have 16 of them harvest at a time. (Shooting for 1lb per 4x4, 16 plants)

For growing in soil, with that veg time, do you think it’s possible to get 1oz per plant? (Dry weight)



1000w hid grow light. (Will slowly go from 600-750-1000w throughout the plants life cycle. Maybe go from 600 to 1000. Haven’t decided yet)

Mh for veg and hps for flower.

4-6 week from clone.

I know you will ask genetics prob, so here is the list. Breeders are : Ethos, cannarado, thug pug?, and a couple others (sorry can’t think of the name right now).

Soil grow.

1 gal plastic pots then will transfer to 3 gal smart pots after 2 weeks.

Temps for veg- prob around 77 deg F

Humidity for veg- 55-60

Temps for flower- 72-77

Humidity for flower- 50-55

Uhh... if you have anymore questions, let me know.
 
StareCase

StareCase

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TreeFiddy350 said:
I planned on doing 4-6 weeks from clone. 2 weeks to root then 2-4 weeks for veg, then flip to flower. My thought process was doing a little bit of LST to help with the stretch in flower.

Do you think doing LST would stunt the growth too much? Or not be worth it since the veg time will be somewhat short?.
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6 week veg from rooted clones should produce some pretty good sized girls. These two on the go now were vegged for 7 weeks from really small clones and were woven through a SCROG as they vegged. Those two ladies have completely filled a 2 x 4 tent.

LST won't stunt growth at all. It will give you an even canopy under the HPS once you've flipped. What type of LST were you considering?
 
TreeFiddy350

TreeFiddy350

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StareCase said:
6 week veg from rooted clones should produce some pretty good sized girls. These two on the go now were vegged for 7 weeks from really small clones and were woven through a SCROG as they vegged. Those two ladies have completely filled a 2 x 4 tent.

LST won't stunt growth at all. It will give you an even canopy under the HPS once you've flipped. What type of LST were you considering?
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It would actually be 4-6 weeks total. I would give 2 weeks for them to root then maybe 2-4 weeks for veg. Then I would flip to flower.
So since I have 16 plants in a 4x4 space, do you think LST with a scrog would be the best bet?
I did a scrog with 4 plants in a 4x4. And that filled up nicely.
With there being 16 plants in a 4x4, would the scrog be as beneficial? Or no?
For the LST, I was just thinking on bending the branches and just not allowing them to get too y’all.
That’s the MAIN reason why I was considering LST. I have never grown these strains and wanted to make sure I had enough room (height wise) just Incase they stretched like a mf’r.
 
StareCase

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If you want to have 16 plants in a 4 x 4, you'll have 1 square foot available per lady. You might be better off doing a Sea Of Green (SOG) instead of a SCROG. SCROG's are better when you have fewer plants but still want to fill up a space. Each one of my two girls occupy a 2 x 2 to fill up my 2 x 4 tent.

You could do some LST on each plant while they are vegging and spread them out until they are about 1 square foot in size. Then do your flip. Your 4 x 4 should be nicely filled once flowering is well underway.
 
TreeFiddy350

TreeFiddy350

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StareCase said:
If you want to have 16 plants in a 4 x 4, you'll have 1 square foot available per lady. You might be better off doing a Sea Of Green (SOG) instead of a SCROG. SCROG's are better when you have fewer plants but still want to fill up a space. Each one of my two girls occupy a 2 x 2 to fill up my 2 x 4 tent.

You could do some LST on each plant while they are vegging and spread them out until they are about 1 square foot in size. Then do your flip. Your 4 x 4 should be nicely filled once flowering is well underway.
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Yeah with the scrog idea, I wasn’t sure if that would be optimal since there are soo many plants. Know what I mean? I’m just looking for a quick turn around since I can use as many plants as I want.
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

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Sounds like your on the right track.
The whole point of LST is that it doesn't slow the plant growth down as much as HST.
Typically with your veg time from clone I used to pull 3oz a plant with 11ltr pots, which you could fit 16 in a 4x4, though I never packed them with that veg time like that.
I would be shocked if you grew out 16 plants with good lighting in that space and time and didn't hit your goal.
My biggest worry would be overcrowding , given LST creates a bush.
I might be tempted to just top once and let them grow out. You don't want 16 bushes crammed in unless you have height limitations and your lights can handle a good height plant.

Stay away from Scrog because your on the limits of doing a SOG, however since your going to have 16 plants a support net would be useful since they should be fat little shits and make buckle under the weight. You don't want 16 plants with say 2-4 colas on each flapping about, once they cave in under the weight they are not going to point up again, a net would stop that.
 
Hydro4life

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Depending on size you may be better off letting them go, not topping and going for 16 main colas. You should be able to hit the pound mark in a 4x4 sog under a 1000w! I think your veg time will be pretty spot on with that no. Of plants in a 4x4 space under a 1000w. (Can veg your sog slightly longer with a 1000w for flowering as itl have deeper light penetration) also youll need the right strain. If it was just quantity your after you could look into big bud. Cant seem to find it, but there was a guy doing huge sogs from clone using big bud with nearly no veg time and his yield and turnover was huge!! Off memory It was around 10 weeks from taking the cutting to harvest!
 
JohnDee

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'Mornin' Fiddy,
If you're not hindered by plant count...you might consider a small plant sog. I did 24 clones on a 3'x3' tray. Flood and drain. Once I put them on the tray in 5" square pots...I just gave them a few days to get settled. Then flipped them...essentially no veg time. Each little plant had just one big cola. Can't quote weight or yields but the quality was there.
JD
 
Hydro4life

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JohnDee said:
'Mornin' Fiddy,
If you're not hindered by plant count...you might consider a small plant sog. I did 24 clones on a 3'x3' tray. Flood and drain. Once I put them on the tray in 5" square pots...I just gave them a few days to get settled. Then flipped them...essentially no veg time. Each little plant had just one big cola. Can't quote weight or yields but the quality was there.
JD
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Thats how sogs should be done in my opinion JohnDee!! Very quick turn over, nothin but quality buds and very big yields!!
 
StareCase

StareCase

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JohnDee said:
Thanks Hydro...ya that's how they did sog 20 years ago. I read about it in High Times Magazine and knew I had to do it. You get really good at cloning!
JD
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JD - curious about a couple of things regrading the One Cola method:

a) - with practically 0 veg time, do you take cuttings from the small clones or do you have a mommy that you keep in veg?
b) - was the quality better or equal to buds from larger bushier beasts?
 
coreywebster

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JohnDee said:
Thanks Hydro...ya that's how they did sog 20 years ago. I read about it in High Times Magazine and knew I had to do it. You get really good at cloning!
JD
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I remember that article when it was new on the scene and everyone was doing it since it offers crazy yields for quick turn around. But back then we were all illegal growers, now plant count is a thing and you just don't see many "true" SOGs.
 
JohnDee

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Hydro4life said:
Haha yeah i bet you did! I reckon you would of learnt very quickly to take decent sized clones too!!
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Actually no...I had bonsai clone Mommas and my cuttings were fairly small. But the whole time I did that was with a single pheno. Very sativa White Widow that stretched like crazy. They ended up being around 15"to 18" at harvest.
JD
 
coreywebster

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JohnDee said:
I think it's cool that we're discussing a magazine article from decades ago...and still remember the details. They were doing it all with 400 MH lights as I recall. The 600 hps that people use now weren't invented yet.
JD
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Yeah a good few years before the 600s came out. We never had filters either but im not sure if that's because they were not about or if they were just way too expensive. I do remember a lot of street lights went missing back then though :bigjoint:
 
JohnDee

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StareCase said:
JD - curious about a couple of things regrading the One Cola method:

a) - with practically 0 veg time, do you take cuttings from the small clones or do you have a mommy that you keep in veg?
b) - was the quality better or equal to buds from larger bushier beasts?
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Sorry SC...missed your post. Ya...clone mommas. I had two small ones and cut about 15 off each. Rooted cuttings and stuck the strongest 24 on the tray.

Quality was there. When I was doing that, I had a musician buddy (grower) who would sell my stuff to his friends. They all loved my WW.
JD
 
StareCase

StareCase

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JohnDee said:
Sorry SC...missed your post. Ya...clone mommas. I had two small ones and cut about 15 off each. Rooted cuttings and stuck the strongest 24 on the tray.

Quality was there. When I was doing that, I had a musician buddy (grower) who would sell my stuff to his friends. They all loved my WW.
JD
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Who doesn't like a good White Widow? Thanks for the info JD - I'll have to give it a whirl some time.

After a few rounds of taking cuttings, does the original mommy get a little too unruly and eventually one of the clones becomes the new mom?
 
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