Should I start pre - harvest flush?
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flower pharm
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didnt say u couldnt i think most comes from people who cant grow proper dense stinky flower.u can honestly tell me that flushing has no effect? really?i know stirring the pots fun but dont misinform the uninformed.
qwizoking
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I think that new growers tend to over feed. I saw pics of dark green slightly clawing leaves. as I mentioned, that's a large portion of the fowl taste and yes flushing would help that particular plant taste better.
a properly grown plant will not benefit from flushing. as I mentioned tobacco growers, wine makers etc. I don't mean Marlboro, they don't flush because it doesnt benefit. again nutes are good for the burn qualities and will always be there, unless you have no ash?
my landrace sativas will foxtail like crazy if I stop feeding. stopping the nute flow isn't good for the final product weight and density either
a properly grown plant will not benefit from flushing. as I mentioned tobacco growers, wine makers etc. I don't mean Marlboro, they don't flush because it doesnt benefit. again nutes are good for the burn qualities and will always be there, unless you have no ash?
my landrace sativas will foxtail like crazy if I stop feeding. stopping the nute flow isn't good for the final product weight and density either
Sand4x105
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So, since you sound like you are pretty smart....
Go ahead, and tell us your method for flushing...
and if you do flush... how would you do it outside? Outside plants do or do not need flushing ?
I'm serious... teach me: How to Flush...
Taste is a personal thing... flushing for taste... I've tried it... it seriously made no difference...
So, I always say: Flushing a waste of time...
Not Curing... I cure... to exact 62% Humidity...
What is your final RH of your dried and cured weed?
So your flushing is a "Profit" motivator ? Your customers want flushed MJ... and are willing to pay more?
Look... flush all you want... I am not trying to stop you, anyone can do anything in my book in their pursuit of happiness...
Flushing for me... is a waste of my time... Go on... waste time any way you want... I don't care...
I do want to understand your step by step method of flushing... "Teach Me" please...
If you pour copious amounts of water through your soil how can that improve your taste...of your bud....
So, don't be a dick, don't stir the pot... just tell us how to flush to make your mj taste better...
JointOperation
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im not even going to continue.. the waste of time. i spend trying to help people lol its a waste of my time.
UncleReemis
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............ LOL at this thread
JointOperation
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just like counting days of flower from 12/12 or from the end of stretch.. its about misinformation.. and theres too much on the internet.. u start day 1 of flower.. from day 1 after the stretch is DONE.. u start flushing.. when the plant is done swelling. and the trichomes are developing into medicine.. if your plant is Dark Green at harvest time.. your not going to have SMOOTH smoking buds.. and if u say u cant taste the difference thats absolute bullshit. because i bought some CALI PURPLE KUSH.. commercial .. unflushed stuff.. crystally as fuck.. barely any smell.. look under a scope.. its all clear trichomes.. was not taken to full maturity or flushed.. and it was harsh. 1 .. and the high sucked 2..
i want shit i can rip like a fuckin CRACK HEAD.. and hold it in. without dying coughing.. i want shit thats so smooth on your throat it feels like your breathing in AIR..
THATS FLUSHED.. and dried slow.. and cured..
its not ALL About the FLUSH.. but.. if u do FLUSH.. after swelling is stopped.. and most trichs are cloudy with more clear an few amber.. u start pushing water.. and by the time everything is cloudy.. im talking small side branches are atleast as cloudy as the trichs can get before the colas are ambering up.. when u take a plant to full maturity.. and flushed.. the smell and taste is unbelievable.
its about growing plants to full maturity.. and flushing to get excess nutes out so the plant can naturally yellow out fans using the energy up.. and ripen.. and the SLOWWWW DRY.. and trimming AFTER THE DRY.. and curing properly.. is a big part too.. but . from me changing 1 step. flushing.. vs non flushed. the HARSH THROAT TASTE of non flushed.. made me realize how fuckin dumb i was to listen to all these people saying its a waste of time..
the people who say its a waste of time.. are the people who are selling to make money.. not the ones growing for QUALITY SAFE MEDICINE
i want shit i can rip like a fuckin CRACK HEAD.. and hold it in. without dying coughing.. i want shit thats so smooth on your throat it feels like your breathing in AIR..
THATS FLUSHED.. and dried slow.. and cured..
its not ALL About the FLUSH.. but.. if u do FLUSH.. after swelling is stopped.. and most trichs are cloudy with more clear an few amber.. u start pushing water.. and by the time everything is cloudy.. im talking small side branches are atleast as cloudy as the trichs can get before the colas are ambering up.. when u take a plant to full maturity.. and flushed.. the smell and taste is unbelievable.
its about growing plants to full maturity.. and flushing to get excess nutes out so the plant can naturally yellow out fans using the energy up.. and ripen.. and the SLOWWWW DRY.. and trimming AFTER THE DRY.. and curing properly.. is a big part too.. but . from me changing 1 step. flushing.. vs non flushed. the HARSH THROAT TASTE of non flushed.. made me realize how fuckin dumb i was to listen to all these people saying its a waste of time..
the people who say its a waste of time.. are the people who are selling to make money.. not the ones growing for QUALITY SAFE MEDICINE
Surfer Joe
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The best reason I have heard for flushing is to wash away all of the nutrients in the soil so the plant has to cannibalize itself and absorb its final nutrients from its own leaves while its roots only are absorbing plain water.
Flushing agents also claim to improve the transfer of sugars in the plant and so help the plant to move its final nutrients around from leaves to buds.
chuck estevez
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Fertility and Fertilization
Many people confuse plant nutrition with plant fertilization. Plant nutrition refers to the need for basic chemical elements for plant growth.
The term fertilization refers to the application of plant nutrients to supplement the nutrients naturally occurring in the soil. Nutrients may be applied as commercial manufactured fertilizers, organic fertilizers and/or other soil amendments. Organic fertilizers and soil amendments are typically low in plant-available nutrient content. For additional information about fertilizers and soil amendments, refer to the CMG GardenNotes #232, Understanding Fertilizers and #241, Soil Amendments.
Adequate soil fertility is only one of the many soil-related growth factors. Fertilizers will increase desirable plant growth only if the plant is deficient in the nutrient applied and other growth factors are not also significantly limiting plant growth. Fertilization will not compensate for poor soil preparation, the lack of water, weed competition and other non-nutrient growth limiting factors! Fertilization will not enhance desired growth if the nutrients applied are not deficient.
From the nutritional perspective, a plant cannot tell if applied nutrients come from a manufactured fertilizer or a natural source. Plants use nutrients in ionic forms. Soil microorganisms must break down organic soil amendments, organic fertilizers and many manufactured fertilizers before the nutrients become usable by plants.
From a nutritional perspective, the primary difference between manufactured and organic soil amendments/organic fertilizers is the speed at which nutrients become available for plant use. For manufactured fertilizer, their release is typically, but not always, a few days to weeks. Some are specially formulated as “controlled release”, “slow release” or “time release” products that release over a period of months. With natural-organic fertilizer, nutrients typically become available over a period of months or years. However, there are exceptions to this general rule. The high salt content of some manufactured fertilizers and some organic soil amendments could slow the activity of beneficial soil microorganisms.
Benefits of organic fertilizers and soil amendments include improvements in soil tilth (suitability of the soil to support plant growth). This should not be confused with “fertilization”, a distinctly different soil management objective. Organic soil amendments are typically low in nutrient content.
Remember that fertility is only part of the soil’s role in supporting plant growth. The organic content of the soil also directly affects plant growth due to its influence on soil tilth and the activity of beneficial soil microorganisms. Relying solely on manufactured fertilizers is not recommended as this does not support good soil tilth.
Plant Nutrients
Plants need 17 elements for normal growth. Carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen come from the air and water. Soil is the principle source of other nutrients. Primary nutrients (nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium) are used in relatively large amounts by plants, and often are supplemented as fertilizers.
Secondary nutrients (calcium, magnesium, and sulfur) are also used in large amounts but are typically readily available and in adequate supply. Micronutrients or trace elements are needed only in small amounts. These include iron, zinc, molybdenum, manganese, boron, copper, cobalt, and chlorine. [Table 1]
Many people confuse plant nutrition with plant fertilization. Plant nutrition refers to the need for basic chemical elements for plant growth.
The term fertilization refers to the application of plant nutrients to supplement the nutrients naturally occurring in the soil. Nutrients may be applied as commercial manufactured fertilizers, organic fertilizers and/or other soil amendments. Organic fertilizers and soil amendments are typically low in plant-available nutrient content. For additional information about fertilizers and soil amendments, refer to the CMG GardenNotes #232, Understanding Fertilizers and #241, Soil Amendments.
Adequate soil fertility is only one of the many soil-related growth factors. Fertilizers will increase desirable plant growth only if the plant is deficient in the nutrient applied and other growth factors are not also significantly limiting plant growth. Fertilization will not compensate for poor soil preparation, the lack of water, weed competition and other non-nutrient growth limiting factors! Fertilization will not enhance desired growth if the nutrients applied are not deficient.
From the nutritional perspective, a plant cannot tell if applied nutrients come from a manufactured fertilizer or a natural source. Plants use nutrients in ionic forms. Soil microorganisms must break down organic soil amendments, organic fertilizers and many manufactured fertilizers before the nutrients become usable by plants.
From a nutritional perspective, the primary difference between manufactured and organic soil amendments/organic fertilizers is the speed at which nutrients become available for plant use. For manufactured fertilizer, their release is typically, but not always, a few days to weeks. Some are specially formulated as “controlled release”, “slow release” or “time release” products that release over a period of months. With natural-organic fertilizer, nutrients typically become available over a period of months or years. However, there are exceptions to this general rule. The high salt content of some manufactured fertilizers and some organic soil amendments could slow the activity of beneficial soil microorganisms.
Benefits of organic fertilizers and soil amendments include improvements in soil tilth (suitability of the soil to support plant growth). This should not be confused with “fertilization”, a distinctly different soil management objective. Organic soil amendments are typically low in nutrient content.
Remember that fertility is only part of the soil’s role in supporting plant growth. The organic content of the soil also directly affects plant growth due to its influence on soil tilth and the activity of beneficial soil microorganisms. Relying solely on manufactured fertilizers is not recommended as this does not support good soil tilth.
Plant Nutrients
Plants need 17 elements for normal growth. Carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen come from the air and water. Soil is the principle source of other nutrients. Primary nutrients (nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium) are used in relatively large amounts by plants, and often are supplemented as fertilizers.
Secondary nutrients (calcium, magnesium, and sulfur) are also used in large amounts but are typically readily available and in adequate supply. Micronutrients or trace elements are needed only in small amounts. These include iron, zinc, molybdenum, manganese, boron, copper, cobalt, and chlorine. [Table 1]
chuck estevez
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Don't forget about the apples. If you don't want your apples to taste salty, you must flush with water and let the tree die before picking the fruit.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
shee'it, i love me some salty apples..
AtownSmoker
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Apples are a fruit and consumed by eating, Pot is a weed which is mostly smoked. Their is no logic in your statement. Even in the FF trio feeding guide it says when using for edibles, flushing is nessisary before harvest. But I'll just end with this. Why does this topic have to be so damn personal? Why can't you let people make up their own mind and stop arguing for the sake or arguing.shee'it, i love me some salty apples..
https://www.rollitup.org/t/first-grow-indoor-t5-cfl-power-flower-fem.801482/page-7#post-10442381
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
why on earth are you quoting my post and talk about arguing? where in this thread do you see me arguing one bit with anyone? i'm just being a smart ass saying i love me some salty apples is all..
carry on with your flushing though if that makes you happy.. just look at it like this, and i'll shut up.. if flushing did what the flushing crowd says it does, everyone would simply flush, as no one wants bud that tastes like chemicals, or salt,
, and pops and burns badly when smoked.. there would be no debate.. it would be very cut and dry.. it would be obvious if you didn't flush your weed because according to the flushing crowd, if they don't flush their bud, it tastes like poop, correct?? well, i don't flush my bud, nor does my bud taste like poop, nor does it pop or leave a black ash or this or that..it really is the end of the debate in my eyes.. like i said, if flushing made dick all of a difference, think about, everyone would flush, but it doesn't, so we don't..
and lastly, when people say that buds taste like chemicals, i'd imagine they're talking about say nitrogen, pottasium and phosphorous among others.. what exactly do people think makes up the cell walls, the tricomes, the stems and leaves of a cannabis plant?? that's right, chemicals, such as nitrogen, p and k..
AtownSmoker
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I meant to quote the previous statement. The one you had quoted. I apologizewhy on earth are you quoting my post and talk about arguing? where in this thread do you see me arguing one bit with anyone? i'm just being a smart ass saying i love me some salty apples is all..
carry on with your flushing though if that makes you happy.. just look at it like this, and i'll shut up.. if flushing did what the flushing crowd says it does, everyone would simply flush, as no one wants bud that tastes like chemicals, or salt,
it really is the end of the debate in my eyes.. like i said, if flushing my dick all of a difference, think about, everyone would flush, but it doesn't, so we don't..
and lastly, when people say that buds taste like chemicals, i'd imagine they're talking about say nitrogen, pottasium and phospherous among others.. what exactly do people think makes up the cell walls, the tricomes, the stems and leaves of a cannabis plant?? that's right, chemicals, such as nitrogen, p and k..
https://www.rollitup.org/t/first-grow-indoor-t5-cfl-power-flower-fem.801482/page-7#post-10442381
chuck estevez
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So,Please Explain how a apple tree unflushed is different from a MJ plant unflushed? Somehow the theory of flushing doesn't apply to fruits and vegetables?? Do some research on leeching, that is where the flushing myth comes from.
If anything, My quote make s the most sense of all, It shows how stupid flushing really is.
Oh, And i almost forgot about how Nutrient companies feeding schedules are law and if they say something, it must be true. JEES, that alone shows how gullible you are.
AtownSmoker
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Why on earth would they find it nessisary to flush if it had no benefit? Are you more knowledgeable on the product then the manufacturers themselves?
https://www.rollitup.org/t/first-grow-indoor-t5-cfl-power-flower-fem.801482/page-7#post-10442381
https://www.rollitup.org/t/first-grow-indoor-t5-cfl-power-flower-fem.801482/page-7#post-10442381
chuck estevez
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I know how plants uptake nutrients and I understand what soil leeching is, i also know what proper growing,drying and curing techniques are. I also Know that manufactures of products that spend a lot of money on marketing Would NEVER be wrong about anything. Especially a company that sells flushing products.So No, I'm not more knowledgeable, But I did stay at a holday inn express last night!!
JointOperation
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chuck ur just a KNOW IT ALL Bud.. post some pics of ur shity buds.. stop talking and SHOW IT THEN
i have a feeling.. all the people who tried FLUSHING.. started flushing to early.. and saw a shitty harvest. and never went back.. thats WHAT NEWBS DO
if u do 3 years. 14-15 crops of 4000ws of lights.. 2000 for flushed 2 for unflushed.. and guess what.. the flushed tasted better.. smelled better.. and didnt need half as long of a CURE to be were it needed to be potency wise. but .. u start flushing too early and u get shity results.. start flushing LATE into flower.. when ur waiting for the trichs to make that medicine.
but 90% of growers here. especially. pull the second they have a chance.. ooo does this look done.... wooops i already chopped half down.. fuck it. looks good enough..
Patience For Patients .. the best meds are grown by someone who DOES Experiments and TESTS,, not by someone who READ ABOUT IT.
im just going to guess.. CHUCKs from CALI or CO.. cause those cats down there .. man they think they know everything.. just cause your states cool with it . doesnt mean your BRAIN IS BIGGER THEN MINE BOSS.
i have a feeling.. all the people who tried FLUSHING.. started flushing to early.. and saw a shitty harvest. and never went back.. thats WHAT NEWBS DO
if u do 3 years. 14-15 crops of 4000ws of lights.. 2000 for flushed 2 for unflushed.. and guess what.. the flushed tasted better.. smelled better.. and didnt need half as long of a CURE to be were it needed to be potency wise. but .. u start flushing too early and u get shity results.. start flushing LATE into flower.. when ur waiting for the trichs to make that medicine.
but 90% of growers here. especially. pull the second they have a chance.. ooo does this look done.... wooops i already chopped half down.. fuck it. looks good enough..
Patience For Patients .. the best meds are grown by someone who DOES Experiments and TESTS,, not by someone who READ ABOUT IT.
im just going to guess.. CHUCKs from CALI or CO.. cause those cats down there .. man they think they know everything.. just cause your states cool with it . doesnt mean your BRAIN IS BIGGER THEN MINE BOSS.
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CashCrops
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Exactly, sadly your wasting your time with some folks. If they understood or accepted what the truth about plant biology is they'd stop this nonsense. I just finished a Critical Jack Herer with zero flush and it's the best tasting and smelling bud I've grown to date.why on earth are you quoting my post and talk about arguing? where in this thread do you see me arguing one bit with anyone? i'm just being a smart ass saying i love me some salty apples is all..
carry on with your flushing though if that makes you happy.. just look at it like this, and i'll shut up.. if flushing did what the flushing crowd says it does, everyone would simply flush, as no one wants bud that tastes like chemicals, or salt,
it really is the end of the debate in my eyes.. like i said, if flushing made dick all of a difference, think about, everyone would flush, but it doesn't, so we don't..
and lastly, when people say that buds taste like chemicals, i'd imagine they're talking about say nitrogen, pottasium and phosphorous among others.. what exactly do people think makes up the cell walls, the tricomes, the stems and leaves of a cannabis plant?? that's right, chemicals, such as nitrogen, p and k..