Should I start pre - harvest flush?

I feed with chem nutes at a very low level every time I water. I don't use a ton of products and I feed the bare minimum. I have ALWAYS been from the school of flushing. The last few weeks I had to take down a little bit early but I dried it properly and to be honest I can't tell the difference between this bud and the bud that I flushed in the past. I'm not making any claims, just what I witnessed recently.

fun experiment, go burn some sugar with a lighter. After doing so, tell me it doesn't resemble the smell and look of this so called "unflushed bud" or chemical nute bud.

bird mcbride said:

Where did that good kush taste dissapear to some 12 years ago? It went with the flush and all the newb growers, that all prefer soil for some reason(easier, no math or plumbing).
It's like I grew this kush plant but it doesn't taste like kush...is it really kush?
Other than my personal op, that good old kush taste can't be found anywhere else anymore as all the main ops in BC have shut down and the old growers retired.
I know what the other provinces in Canada suffer with as I get to smoke their weed.

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Eh?

If someone could please explain to me how exactly flushing the soil somehow dissipates the nutrients already in the stems n buds, that would be much appreciated cuz honestly flushing doesnt make much sense to me.

I mean i understand getting rid of excess salts if using chem ferts but i mean if u already had salt build up in the soil then didnt the plant already take up all the salts and whatever salts in the nutes anyway?

I just dont see how pouring a bunch of water thru ur soil 10 days before harvest magically makes the buds taste so much better, my opinion is its all in the cure.

tightpockt said:

QUOTE="flower pharm, post: 10471152, member: 876641"]so if u remove nutes avail to the plant and the plant scavenges itself for food explain how theres not less nutes in the plant?

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That's like starving a chicken so it tastes more like chicken and less like grains[/QUOTE]
If you knew anything about raising animals for slaughter you would know that you DO change their diet a few weeks prior to slaughter, nice try tho.

Hazydat620 said:

That's like starving a chicken so it tastes more like chicken and less like grains

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If you knew anything about raising animals for slaughter you would know that you DO change their diet a few weeks prior to slaughter, nice try tho.[/QUOTE]
How u guys comparing cannabis to farm animals lol

Jussblaz3420 said:

If you knew anything about raising animals for slaughter you would know that you DO change their diet a few weeks prior to slaughter, nice try tho.

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How u guys comparing cannabis to farm animals lol[/QUOTE]
Because these chachi's think that cannabis can be related to other plant and animals for some reason, I don't know any other plants that produce THC, do you? Comparing cannabis to apples like the first couple pages, just shows you how much they swing from Uncle Bens nuts and eat every bit of horse shit he types. Why would you be feeding an apple orchard bottled nutes, or jacks classic any ways? Compost not good enough?

Hazydat620 said:

How u guys comparing cannabis to farm animals lol

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Because these chachi's think that cannabis can be related to other plant and animals for some reason, I don't know any other plants that produce THC, do you? Comparing cannabis to apples like the first couple pages, just shows you how much they swing from Uncle Bens nuts and eat every bit of horse shit he types. Why would you be feeding an apple orchard bottled nutes, or jacks classic any ways? Compost not good enough?[/QUOTE]
let me Dumb it down for you since you have a hard time understanding. If I grow a orange tree in my backyard and used jack's citrus feed, If i don't flush at the end, my oranges won't taste like chemicals. it has nothing to do with relating it to other plants, it has to do with common sense. something you don't have.

chuck estevez said:

Because these chachi's think that cannabis can be related to other plant and animals for some reason, I don't know any other plants that produce THC, do you? Comparing cannabis to apples like the first couple pages, just shows you how much they swing from Uncle Bens nuts and eat every bit of horse shit he types. Why would you be feeding an apple orchard bottled nutes, or jacks classic any ways? Compost not good enough?

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let me Dumb it down for you since you have a hard time understanding. If I grow a orange tree in my backyard and used jack's citrus feed, If i don't flush at the end, my oranges won't taste like chemicals. it has nothing to do with relating it to other plants, it has to do with common sense. something you don't have.[/QUOTE]
Why would you feed it jacks any way, why not build a soil for it???? You are doing something that is not natural, common sense would tell me that, why would you think the plant would naturally stay the same after feeding them that shit?

no reason to argue.. but u gotta understand.. im not taking advice from someone.. who grows with 1 light.. and cant even dial there genetics in to begin with. when i did the experiments.. and found it is better to flush.. it allows for a much quicker CURE.. i can smoke my bud.. with 1 week of cure.. and its smoother then the unflushed cured for 2 months.. so thats y i do it personally..

its not about the nutes.. really.. its about the sugars/starches/chlorophyll .. with excess nutes.. your plant cannot start to degrade chlorophyll or sugars and starches.. but if u starve the plant.. after the SWELL IS COMPLETE. and ur waiting for trichs to go from CLEAR to CLOUDY AND AMBER.. u dont need to flush per say.. unless u over fed.. but u should at the very least cut your nutes down ALOT towards the very end of flower..

but like i said.. if u dont know how to judge maturity.. then shit.. u will flush early.. and end up with shitty yields.. people dont seem to understand.. that 99% of growers. PULL EARLY.. even if its 7 days early.. could be the difference between a good bud.. and amazing buds..

in all seriousness.. if ur breeder pack says 8 weeks.. and ur pulling 8 weeks from 12/12 . ur pulling 10-20 days too EARLY. some phenos are different.. but most of the seeds in any breeder pack.. will go 2 weeks longer then they suggest.. and thats because.. THE QUICKEST PHENO.. might finish at week 8.. but u gotta understand.. alot of people who breed in greenhouses.. or grow outdoors . understand. that flowering starts after the stretch.. if ur actually trying to mimic outdoors environments indoors.. you need to follow most of the same rules..

if i could tell ANY NEWB 1 TIP.. its.. when u think its DONE.. go another 2-3 weeks then tell me if it was the same.. take 2 clones.. of the same plant.. pull 1 one wen u think its DONE.. and 1 after another 2 weeks.. and start flushing the day u pull the other one down..

tell me theres not a HUGE DIFFERENCE IN SMELL and TASTE..

I think your spot on there.

JointOperation said:

no reason to argue.. but u gotta understand.. im not taking advice from someone.. who grows with 1 light.. and cant even dial there genetics in to begin with. when i did the experiments.. and found it is better to flush.. it allows for a much quicker CURE.. i can smoke my bud.. with 1 week of cure.. and its smoother then the unflushed cured for 2 months.. so thats y i do it personally..

its not about the nutes.. really.. its about the sugars/starches/chlorophyll .. with excess nutes.. your plant cannot start to degrade chlorophyll or sugars and starches.. but if u starve the plant.. after the SWELL IS COMPLETE. and ur waiting for trichs to go from CLEAR to CLOUDY AND AMBER.. u dont need to flush per say.. unless u over fed.. but u should at the very least cut your nutes down ALOT towards the very end of flower..

but like i said.. if u dont know how to judge maturity.. then shit.. u will flush early.. and end up with shitty yields.. people dont seem to understand.. that 99% of growers. PULL EARLY.. even if its 7 days early.. could be the difference between a good bud.. and amazing buds..

in all seriousness.. if ur breeder pack says 8 weeks.. and ur pulling 8 weeks from 12/12 . ur pulling 10-20 days too EARLY. some phenos are different.. but most of the seeds in any breeder pack.. will go 2 weeks longer then they suggest.. and thats because.. THE QUICKEST PHENO.. might finish at week 8.. but u gotta understand.. alot of people who breed in greenhouses.. or grow outdoors . understand. that flowering starts after the stretch.. if ur actually trying to mimic outdoors environments indoors.. you need to follow most of the same rules..

if i could tell ANY NEWB 1 TIP.. its.. when u think its DONE.. go another 2-3 weeks then tell me if it was the same.. take 2 clones.. of the same plant.. pull 1 one wen u think its DONE.. and 1 after another 2 weeks.. and start flushing the day u pull the other one down..

tell me theres not a HUGE DIFFERENCE IN SMELL and TASTE..

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100% agree. I tell people to go burn some sugar and then you will know what causes bad taste and black ash. There are other ways to get the sugars fermenting before you chop. 'Flushing" as you're saying is more about flooding the root zone to starve it of oxygen. not really flushing anything.

I feed with non-chemicals and my plants love it. I don't even feed my plants hydrogen or oxygen.

What a lot of these "non-growers" don't understand is that it's normal for all your leaves to fall off.

Taste is amazing.

i cant stand when people say.. we dont flush tobacco. lol.. ya your right.. but have u ever worked on a tobacco farm for years? the thing is .. plants grown in a POT.. and plants grown in the GROUND.. are going to be different.. ive noticed.. and guess what.. they are not growing tobacco in pots.. so why would they bother even trying to flush ? but.. another thing. alot of places do a air dry.. in a barn.. takes a few months.. allows the GREEN to go BROWN.. and guess whats gone? chlorophyll... some of the sugars and starches break down allowing for a smoother smoke..

but guesss what.. noone in the bud business. is curing there shit for 30-90 days before SALE.. no fucking way.. half those dudes dry for 10 days.. bag it up sell it..

so guess wat? harsh buds..

the entire thing about FLUSHING.. is just trying to get the shit out .. people misunderstood as we are trying to get the NUTES OUT.. its like ya u are.. but not because you will smoke nutes.. but because ur smoking tons of nastys starches sugars waxes lipids chlorohpyll i mean in all seriousness. . i wouldnt tell people to flush if i didnt think it would help 90% of the bud out there.. not to get the nutes out.. but to start the degrading process quicker..

u also gotta remember.. too.. that back in the day.. outdoor farmers.. were drying in huts.. or outdoors especially in other countrys were almost all of the US weed was coming from out of the country.. and using sun to dry or allowing them to bundle these plants up.. and let them sit until THERE BROWN.. no chlorophyll and decarbed sitting in the fucking 120degree sun for months... and then people wonder why everyone bragged about how good the bud was.. ???


the DAY i can have it tested.. im doing it dont worry.. i was talking to lab director.. and hes waiting for standards to be able to make sure his machines are calibrated correctly for cannabis..

but we are looking into testing Smoke from flushed and non flushed.. testing the bud itself.. before smoking and after.. .... i also wana test for cbd and other cannibinoids in ROOTS AND LEAVES AND STEMS..

"Getting the nutes out" isn't the best approach imo. I've read that tobacco farmers use high phosphate fertilizer toward harvest period to encourage conversion of starch to sugars.

The plant still needs those chemicals so it can effectively convert the remaining starches into sugars and burn those off. Lowing phosphate levels may inhibit the conversion of starch to sugars.

One theory I do have, however, is that reducing potassium toward harvest will result in weed that dries out more evenly, and is less water absorbent.

Calcium deficiency is known to induce early senescence. I'm not sure if this is desirable or not.

Either way, my point is that purging the plant of all chemicals seems counter intuitive if the objective is reducing starch in the end product.

So what if one is growing in nutrient pre-loaded soil? Still flush for 2 weeks when the trichs are almost 100% cloudy?

If you knew anything about pineapple you would know it makes my cum taste great...
Wait were we talking about weed?

churchhaze said:

"Getting the nutes out" isn't the best approach imo. I've read that tobacco farmers use high phosphate fertilizer toward harvest period to encourage conversion of starch to sugars.

The plant still needs those chemicals so it can effectively convert the remaining starches into sugars and burn those off. Lowing phosphate levels may inhibit the conversion of starch to sugars.

One theory I do have, however, is that reducing potassium toward harvest will result in weed that dries out more evenly, and is less water absorbent.

Calcium deficiency is known to induce early senescence. I'm not sure if this is desirable or not.

Either way, my point is that purging the plant of all chemicals seems counter intuitive if the objective is reducing starch in the end product.

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try bud candy for example.. i used it.. flushed some.. didnt flush others.. the ones i didnt flush.. 3 diff strains. .all tasted the EXACT SUGARY SWEET NASTY SHIT.

i dont take advice from someone with a single light. in there moms basement.. that thinks they know about cannabis.. there hasnt been nearly enough research to prove any of the statements made in this thread at all.. and im not going to sit here and say your right cause your not.. lol. it all needs to be researched.. because obviously.. CANNABIS isnt like other PLANTS.. which other plant.. can grow as quickly.. and can be used for EVERYTHING FROM FOOD TO MEDICINE TO CLOTHING SHELTER OIL .. EVERYTHING?......... makes this plant SPECIAL.. and sometimes. special plants require special treatment. sometimes they dont.. but until its LEGAL FEDERALY .. and someone can RESEARCH ALL THESE THINGS AND HAVE THE RESULTS TESTED IN A LAB. ill continue to do what i do.. and u can do you.. lol. im not smoking your weed so i could careless..