Showing sex in vegatative stage. PLZ HELP!

acea74

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I've been growing some random bag seed plant since 10/07. I've taken many clones and have put the first set of clones in the "flowering stage/room" and kept one as a new mother and destroyed the original mother. I call her "mom 1"

Since 11/07 I've been growing one Northern Lights plant from Nirvana seeds (only one sprouted since I'm a newbie and germinated incorrectly). I've also been growing another bag seed plant. I call her "mom 2".

Well mom 2 grew super fast and caught up with and passed mom 1 and NL. NL grew really slow and very short. So I ended up cutting down NL to two clones and got rid of the original mom. I was hoping that the reason it grew short and slow was because of my inexperience and not from genetics. From them two NL clones I've cut 6 more clones on 2/08. NL still grew slow and short.

Today 3/16/08 after not checking on them for 5 days one of the first NL clones is covered in white hairs. I think its obvious showing signs of female sex traits. Also, the mom 1 replacement is showing some hairs along with other various mom 1 clones. I think mom 2 is showing some signs but not sure yet.

My veg room is set at 18hrs of light since 1/08 (to help save on energy bills). I'm using some shelves for my veg room and I've set up a 4 tier system (SOG style). Looking into my room on the left, I have 10 White Widow seedlings growing (also from Nirvana via Dr. Chronic) along with some random bag seed seedlings. This tier is set up to support seedings and rooted clones. Above that I have that tier set up to support later stages of growth. Across from that on the right, bottom tier I have the final stage of vegetative growth and above that I have a humidity dome and tray where I root my clones in rock wool and Peralite. In between them I have mom 1 (left) & 2 (right) growing.

One of the first two clones from NL is in the final veg stage at 1600 PPM with 5 other mom clones (set 2 of mom 1). Some of those mom 1 clones are showing the white hairs and NL is not showing any that I can see. The NL that is covered in white hairs is in the mid stage at 1000 PPM. That NL clone is sitting with 5 mom 1 clones (set 3). The other 6 NL are not showing any white hairs yet.

The only thing I can say that I've been doing different is that I switched from AN Sensi-one powder to GH Maxigrow powder. Also, I had some nutrient deficiencies so I've been supplementing with Technaflora MagiCal and Superthrive. When I did the switch and supplementing...five days later...I had the white hairs.

What's strange is that the first set of mom 1 clones that are in my flowering room are not showing any signs of sex. The replacement mom 1 is from that first set of clones and showing white hairs in my veg room.

Can it be that this NL is causing all my other clones to flower in my veg room? Should I move or destroy this NL? Some of the hairs on the mom 1 clones are turning brown. Can't it be that they are trying to revert back to the veg stage? Would I still be able to clone these flowing plants?

I don't want to ruin my WW sprouts. I was so glad that I finally got all 10 to sprout after learning the correct way to germ seeds. I lost 10 Aura Indica seeds because of improper germination.

I'd love some expert help...but any help or comments are welcomed.
 

acea74

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The first pic is of the NL with all the white hairs. The rest are various angles of mom 1 that was originally one of the first set of clones cut from the original mom 1. I didnt bother with the rest since they all pretty much look like this one.
 

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jimmyspaz

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Put under24 hour lighting and will revert back to veg.May takea week or two.or flower out and then reveg if you want. Same thing 24 hour lighting for a week or 2.Good luck.
 

acea74

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These are various angles of my veg room.

I'm useing a custom aeroponic system made up of a 10 gal tote, one 200 gph pump with a rotary spinner, one 30-60 gal air pump with dual outlets, two 18" air stones, and six 3.75" net pots for the later stages of veg. I've cut 6 holes in the lids, but for the final stage of veg...I only use 3 and stager them. I also have a lid that has twelve 2" sites which is what I'm currently useing now.

I'm also in the processes of painting the rest of the 10 gal totes black...and the lids white.

For clones and seedlings I use a custom DWC with 2" net pots. I have 3 gal totes with fifteen 2" sites. I just put the 2" net pots into the 3.75" and fill with Hydroton when they out grow the first tier. They are clear for now but I have two painted black and ready to go. The two clear ones will be converted to a humitity dome and areo cloner. They're set up with same air pump and stones as the areo units.

The moms are in a custom DWC 5 gal black bucket with white lids and 3.75" net pots. They use a 10 gal single outlet air pump with 6" round air stones.

For veg lights I use one 4ft 2xT8 shop light with one GE Sunshine (50k) and one GE Daylight(65k) for the clones and later stages. For the final stage of veg I use two 4ft 2xT8 shop light with one GE Sunshine and one GE Daylight each, staggered. I'll eventually switch to Sylvania Daylight since they have a better rating. For the moms I use 4 23w GE Daylight(64k) CFLs.

The shelves are 4ft long and placed about 3ft (5ft from back of shelf to back of shelf) apart with the two moms in between.

I have mylar on all 3 sides. I run one 6" fan inside the room for air movement and I run a small "blower" fan to bring fresh air in and currently don't vent air out to help keep in the humidity. I have one cool mist humidifier and one warm mist humidifier and one small heater fan. I keep the room around 75'f and the humidity at 35-40% relative humidity (it's the best I can do, winter is very dry here).

As for the flowering room I have one DIY 400w HPS kit and a 400w Sylvania HPS bulb. I also have two 4ft 2xT8 shop light with one GE Sunlight and one Sylvania soft white (27k) staggered. The HPS has no reflector and I drop the light low and surround my plants around it (kinda vertical grow style). The shop lights are set above the canopy.

The flowering room is set up with the same kind of 5 gal buckets cept no air stones and in a "bubleponic" recirculating style. I use the same kind of 10 gal tote, painted, with a 60 gal dual outlet air pump with two 18" air stones and a 200 gph pump for the feed lines. I also have a 180 gph pump to keep the nutrients mixing. Everything is returned back to the rez via 1/2 id black tubing. I'm flowering 6 plants at a time. I use the same kind of small fan to circulate the room but no in or out vents. Also there are no humidifiers and one large floorboard type heater. The temperature has been around 60'F but I'm trying to get it at 70.
 
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