topcat
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Pay to pray.
Shut it the fuck down
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Mrs. Weedstein
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I suppose that depends on your definition of “significant.” I’d say a “grass roots organizer” who writes an opinion piece in the New York Times is pretty significant, if only to the extent she represents what many people on the left believe:
Opinion | Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police (Published 2020)
Because reform won’t happen.
EvilScotsm@n
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That's the same as saying not all KKK members are racist because they've just "fell into the propeganda trap "
Shall we just let those guys have free roam to do as they please?
Still think your statement holds true?
A racist is a racist. End of.
If you treat others differently or expect to be treated differently because of the colour of a person's skin then you are a racist.
That's what racism is.
Or is there some new, hipster millenial definition for it I haven't heard yet?
Genuine question like. There's apparently at least 27 legally recognised genders in the UK these days so there's every chance I've just missed a trick somewhere.....
DIY-HP-LED
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Seemed you left out evolution and fading away gracefully, with notable exceptions, human just like the rest of us.
Mrs. Weedstein
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I’m not sure what you want a citation for. My opinion is that giving the protests a free pass during the pandemic undermines the credibility of such experts as the health professionals who signed the letter, to which I posted a link.
The right-wing protests demanding an end to social distancing and masks were widely ridiculed, as they deserved. However, when health professionals pick which protests are legitimate during a pandemic and which aren’t, they undermine their credibility.
EvilScotsm@n
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10% or you'll burn in hell for all eternity.
That's fuckin bargain mate haha
DIY-HP-LED
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Free speech, it is their view, it does not mean it will be adopted, just discussed and the good ideas drawn from it, a compromise will be reached. Your argument is called the "slippery slope" and it is a logical fallacy. Police reform is coming and resources shifted to social services (for black people) and mental health care (for white people). When the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to perceive your problems as a series of nails to be hammered, use other tools. What the fuck does the current policing system have to do with the pursuit of happiness, or even justice?I suppose that depends on your definition of “significant.” I’d say a “grass roots organizer” who writes an opinion piece in the New York Times is pretty significant, if only to the extent she represents what many people on the left believe:
Opinion | Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police (Published 2020)
Because reform won’t happen.www.google.com
hanimmal
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Im sure some KKK members could be there not because they were tricked into believing the racists lies, but because they are truly psychotic assholes, and like to be around a group that make them feel free to show it.That's the same as saying not all KKK members are racist because they've just "fell into the propeganda trap "
Shall we just let those guys have free roam to do as they please?
Still think your statement holds true?
I agree. Some don't know they are or can't admit it, but if they are something it is not like they can also not be it.
So you are thinking that a black person in the 1960's was racist because they were scared if they sat in the front of the bus something bad would happen, since they expected to be treated differently because of their skin tone?
Seems you have a messed up definition of racism.
Mrs. Weedstein
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Nope, they should be free to protest. See how you just assume something and put words in my mouth to make yourself seem like you’ve scored an important point?
Just because people should be free to protest, even during a pandemic, it isn’t wise for the government and health professionals to create the perception that one type of expression is acceptable while the other isn’t — even though they both pose the same risk of infection.
If the government permits the protest, they should also permit other celebrations or public gatherings, otherwise it looks politically motivated — which just adds fuel to the “hoax” theories.
If they deny a permit to one public gatherinG due to covid, they should deny a permit for all similar gatherings regardless of ideology. If people ignore the denial and protest anyway, at least that avoids the perception that the government is picking favorites based on politics.
hanimmal
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Do you think people don't understand that there is a risk while protesting? There have been people in this very forum that have said they would happily be out there protesting if it was not for the virus. It is very important and people are dying because of it which is horrifying, but there are also people dying for the reasons behind why the protests are necessary.
Do you remember how the health professionals started during this protest?
Once that cop murdered George Floyd, the protests took on a different cause and became something that people need because it has been causing so much pain and destruction in our minority communities. It is important to understand the difference.
Mrs. Weedstein
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I suppose we’re just making different points. I’m not commenting on the legitimacy of the reasons for the protest. My point is that if we want people to take warnings about COVID seriously, then they can’t be seen as politicized.Let's agree to disagree. Theres def room for nuance I was just feeling too tired to get started on another huge topic. But this is atleast the 3rd post I wanted to respond to, so here I go..
The protests I agree with, are for human rights. This country (and world) has waited too damn long for change. If George Floyd's death is the straw that broke the camels back to bring about that much needed change during the middle of a pandemic, then so be it. Those folks are dying too, from a much more malicious and everlasting threat to life. Much of the world is on board with this movement - with or without coronavirus. Justice and equality will not and should not wait. If I wasn't so high risk you can bet your ass I would be out there too. In a mask of course.. and they should all wear masks too.. That's my opinion.
Has covid been politicised, yes. In the most destructive ways, by both parties. Does that have any relevance in people choosing to do what's necessary on behalf of all, no. Don't get me started on the added civil unrest due to the PRESIDENT not acting as a leader and invoking martial law on US citizens. His disregard for human life is disgusting. This type of govt is the very reason for the second amendment, and this country is headed towards civil war. Another thing that was predicted to happen within 5 years, if trump was elected. Look at us, 4 years later.. he did divide this country and the sickest part is he enjoyed doing it.
It reminds me of a cult - and he is their leader. Mind you, I lean more towards the right than the left in my thoughts overall. I am extremely independent. But I've also been through some shit. Been some places. Seen some things. I explain it best by saying I'm well cultured, and self-made. Black sheep of the family too.. Lol.
You've raised some interesting points and I can understand your perspective. I'm sure we could spark an insiteful conversation. I'm tired of politics for tonight, but around. I'm still awake and its fridayIt's been entertaining.. lol.
I live in a rural area and know that folks widely pointed to the support for police protests as hypocritical. It undercuts the argument for covid restrictions when people are told they must shut down their businesses and stop visiting friends and family to slow the pandemic — but then mass gatherings are OK, as long as they’re protesting the right thing.
Mrs. Weedstein
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I disagree with your premise that I’ve made a slippery slope argument. That would be saying something like, “well, if you want to reform police, next thing you know people will want to abolish it.”
I don’t need to rely on a slippery slope argument, since there are people literally calling for the police and prisons to be abolished. The fact that you don’t give their opinion much weight does not mean it’s not gaining traction.
In fact, the people on the left who support abolishing police and prisons would likely think it’s “racist” that you dismiss their idea so casually. I am not a leftist or a supporter of such abolishment, so I am not calling you a racist. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if in a few years, people who oppose abolishing police and prisons will routinely be characterized as racist.
hanimmal
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How do you stop people from seeing it as being political when you have the POTUS coming out and flat out lying to us all everyday about everything going on forcing the subject into being a political one?
How do you know they are 'the left'?
DIY-HP-LED
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The red states and rural areas are getting hammered by covid now, Trump stabbed them in the back and kicked them in the face while they are down, most now have local concerns and in some places they are dire. Trump and the republicans will pay dearly at the polls for this alone, he never led and still hasn't at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dead. Republican, senators congressmen, governors and all the rest who supported this evil bastard are complicit in murder, they sold out their citizens lives and their oaths of office over fear a fucking mean tweet. They sold out the lives of citizens not by the individual, but by the hundreds of thousands over fear of something less substantial than a goddamn fart! Recognise a crime against humanity when you see one and ask yourself why 40% of voters continue to support a malicious psychopathic moron with a professionally assessed IQ of 78?
A majority of white males support this asshole, over 75% at one time, but a lot can't stomach him, though they support what he stands for. It stands to reason that the same percentage of white cops are like that too. The majority of white people in America are causing it to fuck itself as other peoples arise in American society. White terrorism and white treason are prominent features of their "movement" along with cutting their noses off to spite their faces. You live in the richest country by far, but in the words of Trump, and in the opinion of many, it's a shithole, there are reasons for this.
UncleBuck
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we voted for biden. what's his stance?I suppose that depends on your definition of “significant.” I’d say a “grass roots organizer” who writes an opinion piece in the New York Times is pretty significant, if only to the extent she represents what many people on the left believe:
Opinion | Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police (Published 2020)
Because reform won’t happen.
how about any single elected official?
thanks, trumptard.
UncleBuck
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socially distanced, in a mask, outdoors is fine. there is no evidence of protest related covid spikes, no matter how much you cry.
trumptard
UncleBuck
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you are no good at this. there is never evidence for anything you say, it is all just baseless innuendo.
Mrs. Weedstein
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I understand the difference. I also understand that people are being told they must lose their livelihoods because covid must be stopped, but then covid suddenly isn’t so important as long as the protest is against the police.Do you think people don't understand that there is a risk while protesting? There have been people in this very forum that have said they would happily be out there protesting if it was not for the virus. It is very important and people are dying because of it which is horrifying, but there are also people dying for the reasons behind why the protests are necessary.
Do you remember how the health professionals started during this protest?
Once that cop murdered George Floyd, the protests took on a different cause and became something that people need because it has been causing so much pain and destruction in our minority communities. It is important to understand the difference.
In other words, a select group of people gets to decide that the George Floyd protests are important enough to justify ignoring restrictions on mass gatherings. If you don’t buy their argument, you stand to be accused of racism.
Either protests of any type are too dangerous, or they are not. As soon as you pick winners and losers based on your political views, that undermines the credibility of the need for restrictions.
Jimdamick
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She represents a very small fringe group of the Left.
The majority of Dems believe that yes, there is a problem with policing in the US & that the penal/law enforcement climate in this country needs too change, but no Dem that I know wants to abolish the police.
Take some of the funding away & put it directly back into the communities that they serve, no problem there, that's a good idea.
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Fogdog
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Made no sense to me when we opened up without adequate procedures and testing capacity in place to handle this. Also near universal compliance with social distancing and wearing masks. When large states started recklessly opening up in May, I knew we had just wasted all the money spent to get the virus under control. If WE knew it at the time, then our leaders must have at least been advised the same.I don’t get why we (US/Canada) felt the need to open before the numbers were low enough to atleast make an effort to trace. We too are experiencing an upswing in numbers. Per capita we are not doing great either. I’m thinking another 3-4 weeks would have knocked the hell out of it up here.
I will say that this time around I see a lot more people wearing masks when I'm out and about. Maybe the message is finally getting through.