so anyway, after more research, shitloads of soil tests, recalibrating my pen, doing more soil tests. etc. the water with nutes goin in is 6.8 the soil? 6.8 EVERY time. this is effin weird. looks like nute lockout hardcore. but it cant be. can it? did foliar feeding, have kept on schedule and they are just lookin like shit., yellow leaves with green veins (mag def right?) started gettin light brown crusty spot down the middle,(ph?) curling drooping leaves etc. the only thing i can think of that would be makin my bitches so unhappy is the lava rocks i put in the bottom. (wont ever do that again) anyway thanks for the help guys. hopefully next round will be a bit better.