mysunnyboy
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Drump will pardon his own tax thefts.
Sidney Powell
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topcat
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I think you're timeline is right, but he can pardon anyone guilty of Federal offenses.
He could try and likely would, but there again, it can only be for Federal offenses and not State. Again, it would have to be decided by the courts if he can be his own judge, which is not allowed. Much of the tax cheating is covered by the State of New York.
CunningCanuk
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He pleaded guilty to perjury. He lied to the FBI about not having conversations with Russian officials when he did.
I don’t think he’s been charged with the treasonous conversations with Russian officials which occurred during the transition. Before trump was president.
captainmorgan
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'Kraken' attorney has message for Trump fans: Make checks payable to Sidney Powell
Today we learned why mobster Don Donald Trump wanted the wildest of his wild-eyed attorneys ejected unceremoniously from his so-called legal team: She was trying to cut into his action.Yes, TV attorney Sidney Powell can grift with the best of them.Now that Powell has “unleashed the Kraken” with...
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hanimmal
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Im pretty sure is was that he was breaking the law for sure after the election (calling Russia to not respond to the sanctions Obama placed on them for attacking our elections once it became clear what they did), and again by lying to the FBI after Trump took office (lied about talking to the Russians while Trump was moving into the White House still).
rkymtnman
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as much as i'd love to see trump in prison, roger stone i hope is just footsteps behind.
Fogdog
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unfortunately, Stone is just footsteps behind Flynn.
CunningCanuk
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Georgia GOP Official Named as Plaintiff by Sydney Powell Never Agreed to
November 26, 2020
Read in Newsweek: https://apple.news/AUGzBeYCvStyiYXSTL7qgFw
November 26, 2020
Read in Newsweek: https://apple.news/AUGzBeYCvStyiYXSTL7qgFw
Rurumo
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"Her complaints, which allege election fraud, are conspicuously riddled with misspelled words, garbled sentences, and formatting issues."
"The complaint shows signs of having been hastily assembled without proofreading. The word “district” is misspelled twice on the first-page header alone (as “districct” and then “distrcoict”).
Some sentences appear to have been spliced together, erroneously divided with misplaced full stops or end with closing quotation marks that were never opened."
Powell didn't "release the Kraken" so much as release the Olive Garden calimari.
"The complaint shows signs of having been hastily assembled without proofreading. The word “district” is misspelled twice on the first-page header alone (as “districct” and then “distrcoict”).
Some sentences appear to have been spliced together, erroneously divided with misplaced full stops or end with closing quotation marks that were never opened."
Powell didn't "release the Kraken" so much as release the Olive Garden calimari.
rkymtnman
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i thought i read that one of them also had no spaces between any of the words too. best and brightest.
rkymtnman
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i'm hoping that somebody realized these traitors would be pardoned or commuted and held back some of the charges. i'm really hoping that.
DIY-HP-LED
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A pardon can be issued before a crime was charged, look at Nixon's pardon, or even the mass pardon of Vietnam draft dodgers by Carter. A blanket pardon covers all past crimes, sure they convicted Stone of crimes, but their were lot's of others they could have charged him with. Notice Donald only commuted Stone's sentence, no pardon, Stone is hoping and apparently still working for one. Once the new AG is installed the FBI will open everything up like a can of worms, they already know most of this shit and the rats will be running to the prosecutors door next year.
Anybody with a blanket pardon is a sitting duck for the FBI, grand juries and real ones too, as well as congress or anybody else who can put them under oath. They could also have a target on their backs, depending on who they were doing crime with.
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Can Trump pardon himself before he leaves the White House?
As U.S. President Donald Trump's time in the White House nears its end, experts explain how he can use his presidential powers to pardon himself for crimes he hasn't even been charged with yet.
www.ctvnews.ca
"While Trump has enjoyed the legal protections afforded to a sitting president, when Democratic president-elect Joe Biden takes over on Jan. 20, he may have to finally face some of these ongoing investigations.
Until that time, however, Trump retains all of his presidential authority, including the ability to issue pardons. So, how can the president use his pardoning power to help himself before he's confronted with these potential legal challenges?
ARE THERE LIMITS TO PARDONING POWER?
According to Article II, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution, the president has the power to "grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."
This means the commander-in-chief can unilaterally forgive someone for their crime, or commute or reduce their sentence after they have been convicted.
That's why pardons are often considered one of the most powerful and sweeping tools in the commander-in-chief's tool belt.
Graham Dodds, who grew up in the U.S. and is a Concordia University professor of political science specializing in American politics, said there are very few restraints on the president's pardoning power.
"It's one of the few presidential powers that's really [not very] constrained. Courts or Congress can't do much about it," he told CTVNews.ca during a telephone interview from Montreal on Wednesday.
That's not to say, however, there aren't any limitations.
Dodds explained that while Trump is free to pardon anyone he pleases, including his own family and inner circle, for any crime that's been committed while he's in office, this only applies to federal offences. Or to return to the aforementioned section from the U.S. Constitution, "offences against the United States."
This means that offences that violate state law, such as those being investigated by Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. in New York against Trump, cannot be forgiven with a presidential pardon.
Another limitation of a presidential pardon is that it can't be used in cases of impeachment, meaning the president cannot use a pardon to undo an impeachment by the House or an impeachment conviction by the Senate.
CAN THE PRESIDENT ISSUE PRE-EMPTIVE PARDONS?
One of the reasons why a presidential pardon is so valuable is that it can be used to forgive someone for a federal offence, even if charges haven't actually been laid.
According to an 1866 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, the president's pardon power "extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment."
David Dyzenhaus, a law professor at the University of Toronto, explained that the president's power to pre-emptively pardon someone means that person is forgiven for any crime that may have been committed during the time set out in the pardon.
"The president can pardon people for offences that no one has yet to allege," he said during a telephone interview with CTVNews.ca on Wednesday.
As for how long the clemency lasts, Dyzenhaus said it's indefinite.
"A pardon is forever," he said.
COULD TRUMP PARDON HIMSELF?
Although the president can pardon anyone for a federal offence, it's decidedly less clear whether he can grant clemency to himself.
"It's an open question," Dodds said. "The constitution doesn't clearly say yes or no, there don't seem to be binding court cases that say yes or no."
Because no president has tried to pardon himself before, the courts have not weighed in on the constitutionality of such a move.
However, Dodds said if Trump were to try and pardon himself, it would likely generate a court case that would force the U.S. Supreme Court to weigh in.
"It goes against the basic idea that you should not be a judge in your own case, which is the kind of basic idea behind most law and this would obviously violate that," he said.
Dyzenhaus agreed that if the president were allowed to pardon himself, it would mean that he is above the law.
"It's so against what we might think of as unwritten principles of the rule of law of constitutionalism," he said.
COULD THE VICE-PRESIDENT PARDON TRUMP?
Trump's legal challenges have led some to wonder if he might resign before Biden's inauguration so that Vice-President Mike Pence could pardon him. If that were to happen, Dodds said it wouldn't be the first time in American history a vice-president pardoned his predecessor.
In 1974, President Gerald Ford famously pardoned disgraced former president Richard Nixon after his resignation due to the Watergate scandal.
"The pardon was for any offences Nixon may have committed, so ‘Not saying you did anything wrong, but if you did, you're OK,'" Dodds said.
If Trump wanted to avoid any legal ramifications after his time in office, he would have time to resign and be pardoned by Pence before Biden's inauguration, Dodds said.
COULD BIDEN PARDON TRUMP WHEN HE TAKES OFFICE?
Besides a last-minute pardon by Pence if he were to briefly assume the presidency, Trump could also be forgiven by Biden.
While that may seem like a long shot, Dodds said Ford pardoned Nixon in order to move the country forward and away from the all-consuming Watergate scandal. Although he would likely face heavy criticism, Dodds said there could be the possibility of a pardon from Biden.
"He would get a lot of criticism, at least from Democrats and from Republicans who would say ‘Hey, he didn't do anything wrong' and Trump might even protest that way so would it be politically controversial? Yes. Over the long term, would it help to put Trump behind the country? I don't know," he said.
Dyzenhaus, on the other hand, said he's not sure Biden will be keen to pardon Trump in light of the president's behaviour in the aftermath of the election and his refusal to accept the results.
"I don't think there's going to be much generosity of spirit when it comes to Trump after his time in office," he said.
Instead of pardoning him, Dyzenhaus suggested the Democrats might prefer just to stop pursuing legal charges against Trump after his presidency so they can focus on the future.
"I think people will want to go after him, but it just might mean that you give him and his base more oxygen," he said. "It might be the case that Democrats would prefer Trump just to go away and not to keep him in the news by pursuing him through criminal charges."
mysunnyboy
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Pardon me?
I just had to say that.
I just had to say that.
DIY-HP-LED
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I want to point out to folks that pardons come with problems for Trump, he's stupid, but is he stupid enough to give out blanket pardons covering all crimes to that point? Pence pardoning Trump is a possibility, especially since the election and there are 75 million true believers. Do you think Pence wants to deal with Donald and be left with a big bag of shit? Think Mitch wants Donald around? Publicly they will be nice and supportive, but nobody rides the wild elephant until Donald is gone. I think they want him gone more than the democrats, if he is let loose, he will rip the GOP apart and cause endless problems. Donald is a loose cannon crashing around the belly of the ship in a storm, it could poke a hole and sink the ship or kill many of the crew.
mysunnyboy
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Idk think there will be self pardon or pence pardon.
Just mho but he doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong.
Just mho but he doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong.
DIY-HP-LED
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Donald will start attacking Pence, if he won't come through with a Pardon, just watch, then you will know.
mysunnyboy
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Pence can’t do anything unless dickhead resigns.
DIY-HP-LED
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King for a day perhaps, Pence is pretty low and with 75 million suckers, ya never know. I do know a lot of people don't want Donald around any more, he has pending indictments and many more people want to see justice done and everything that happened to their government.
Drama don't get much better, the news is already starting to get more enjoyable, provided we can ignore the death toll.
mysunnyboy
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And who knows how Pencey really feels about drumpy. He could accuse him of treason during his day as king.