skunk #1 gosh this taking a long time lol...patience is haaaaaaaaaaaaaard!

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ashley2times

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Ok so I got skunk. Soil grow , 12 weeks in 12/12 now....lots of cloudy trichs bt all the hairs have not receded...so I shud keep waiting? Please help a lady out. I know she's in bad shape I did a lot of expierimenting so I cud learn about her but when is it time to harvest. I have a microscope abd I've seen the chart a thousand times. Also. Does hid lights hs flower her a bit quicker?
 

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althor

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I have told you several times, hair receding doesn't mean anything.
Do you see any amber/brown/gold crystals when you look through the scope?
At this point, if you see any amber, I would say cut it.
12 weeks is, IMO, a long time for skunk to flower.
Are you sure you have no light leaks during the dark period? Light leaks can cause flowering to take longer.
 
Dr. Who

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Go to wash and be done with this grow.
Check for the light leaks and be sure your temps aren't going over 70F in bloom.....That may help!
 
indicat33

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12 weeks is a long time for skunk #1 Try switching the light cycle to 8/16 schedule. The increased dark hours will cause them to finish up-
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Althor, I know but when I chopped the durban posion and she dries she didn lookn like anything I've evr smoked. .. lots of hairs still..I had to break it all down even jus to get the smell. .I'm still learning ya know....guess ill take a look at the trichs today...she smells amazing tho
 
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I want to add a couple things....I had a skink x norther light that took 12 weeks. I also had made some mistakes along the way and at the very end it caused my plants not to finish up as I wished they could have. I also tried the 8/16 cycle to try and finisher her up but was hard to tell how much that helped. Something I figured out along the way was when I used my scope and looked under the hps light and with the little led lights on my scope it tended to make my trichs look more cloudy and was hard to see the amber. When I cut off a nug and looked under normal light through my scope (without the little led light on) I could see trichs with an amber color. I also had lost most my fan leaves as they turned yellow and died. I decided to cut her down and move on to the next and got decent smoke....I do recommend spending some additional time cutting out those dead leaves as they will effect the smell and taste and as mentioned can lead to bud rot.
 
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ashley2times said:
Althor, I know but when I chopped the durban posion and she dries she didn lookn like anything I've evr smoked. .. lots of hairs still..I had to break it all down even jus to get the smell. .I'm still learning ya know....guess ill take a look at the trichs today...she smells amazing tho
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Check this out. Take a small bud of the durban poison and drop it in a small baggy, like the plastic around a cigarette pack.
Then roll it up real tight and squeeze it, unroll it, reroll it, squeeze it, a few times.
Then look at the bud that is left and see if it looks more like what you see on the street.

By the time you get your hands on street bud, it has gone through the works. It has been weighed, packed, delivered. Then someone else unpacks, weighs, packed, and delivers.. repeat process however many times it takes to get from the commercial cash cropper, down to the dime bag dude at the local Kwik Mart.


How are you drying and curing?
 
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ashley2times

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I have glass mason jars to cure...I dry them by hanging them on lines in a straw box I hav....thanx for the info...cause for a second I was jus like this sooooooo doesn't look like bud anymore lol...covered in all the hairs that didn recede....and like I said didn get the smell she gad when she was still rooted....bt Ill try that bag and squeeze method to get the look that I do happen to love lol
 
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Those leaves are dying because it is the natural end of the plant's life cycle. I would say she is ready. Also after hours and hours of research I don't understand why people want to wait for amber trichs, amber means that the THC has degraded... that's usually a bad thing right? I have smoked a lot of lab-tested medicine in my time and I gotta say, when weed is higher in CBN (What THC degrades into when trichs turn amber) it doesn't correlate to "Couch-lock" at all, it correlates to less potency in all areas (Which makes sense because chemically it is only 10% as psychoactive as THC). Also, recent research has shown pretty conclusively that clear trichomes contain the highest concentration of THC. From a research article on THC content in cannabis (He refers to the three possible colors of trichomes as Translucent, Yellow, and Brown instead of Clear, Cloudy, and Amber, but it refers to the same thing):

"b. Effect of gland age on cannabinoid content

We also examined cannabinoid content of stalked gland by age to measure the major cannabinoid components in both a fiber and drug strain (Table 2). Glands, viewed under a microscope, can be classified according to their secretory phases from the color of their contents. Glands most active in secretion (mature) are translucent in appearance, aged glands are yellow in appearance and senescent glands are brown in color. Mature glands possessed the highest content of their major cannabinoid in both the fiber and drug strains. Senescent glands possessed low levels of cannabinoids. The concentration of some components, as CBD in the drug strains, may be so low that is was not detectable in our analysis; similarly, for THC and CBN in the fiber strain. It is unknown where the cannabinoids go during the aging process, but we suggest that it is possible they volatilize into the atmosphere along with the terpenes in glands, as noted later in this report. Nevertheless, this phenomenon of altered content in glands during aging is one that should be studied to gain a more complete understanding of the secretory process of cannabinoids in the cell."

(Mahlberg and Kim, http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html)

The rest of the article is worth reading but that is the pertinent section.
 
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ashley2times said:
I have glass mason jars to cure...I dry them by hanging them on lines in a straw box I hav....thanx for the info...cause for a second I was jus like this sooooooo doesn't look like bud anymore lol...covered in all the hairs that didn recede....and like I said didn get the smell she gad when she was still rooted....bt Ill try that bag and squeeze method to get the look that I do happen to love lol
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I use Rumple's cure process, posted somewhere in the harvesting and curing section, works great.
As much as you love the look, don't do too much. The more you handle it, the more crystals you knock loose. Matter of fact, after you have done it and take the bud out, look at the plastic, you will see a film of crystals stuck to the sides.
 
BWG707

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Ace Yonder said:
Those leaves are dying because it is the natural end of the plant's life cycle. I would say she is ready. Also after hours and hours of research I don't understand why people want to wait for amber trichs, amber means that the THC has degraded... that's usually a bad thing right? I have smoked a lot of lab-tested medicine in my time and I gotta say, when weed is higher in CBN (What THC degrades into when trichs turn amber) it doesn't correlate to "Couch-lock" at all, it correlates to less potency in all areas (Which makes sense because chemically it is only 10% as psychoactive as THC). Also, recent research has shown pretty conclusively that clear trichomes contain the highest concentration of THC. From a research article on THC content in cannabis (He refers to the three possible colors of trichomes as Translucent, Yellow, and Brown instead of Clear, Cloudy, and Amber, but it refers to the same thing):

"b. Effect of gland age on cannabinoid content

We also examined cannabinoid content of stalked gland by age to measure the major cannabinoid components in both a fiber and drug strain (Table 2). Glands, viewed under a microscope, can be classified according to their secretory phases from the color of their contents. Glands most active in secretion (mature) are translucent in appearance, aged glands are yellow in appearance and senescent glands are brown in color. Mature glands possessed the highest content of their major cannabinoid in both the fiber and drug strains. Senescent glands possessed low levels of cannabinoids. The concentration of some components, as CBD in the drug strains, may be so low that is was not detectable in our analysis; similarly, for THC and CBN in the fiber strain. It is unknown where the cannabinoids go during the aging process, but we suggest that it is possible they volatilize into the atmosphere along with the terpenes in glands, as noted later in this report. Nevertheless, this phenomenon of altered content in glands during aging is one that should be studied to gain a more complete understanding of the secretory process of cannabinoids in the cell."

(Mahlberg and Kim, http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html)

The rest of the article is worth reading but that is the pertinent section.
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That article is interesting but the problem I see with it, is the dates that the research was done. Seems outdated.
 
Ace Yonder

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BWG707 said:
That article is interesting but the problem I see with it, is the dates that the research was done. Seems outdated.
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Granted the article/research is from 2003, but that's not really that long ago, and Mahlberg has been researching cannabis since the 70's. Add to that the fact that NAIHC lists him as holding one of only two federal DEA permits to grow and research cannabis. More to the point, he has presented the only scientific evidence for EITHER side that I have seen thus far, every other article on the subject seems to be based anecdotal evidence and theoretical extrapolation of chemistry, and not based on empirical evidence and actual testing. I don't have a dog in this fight, just in my research his papers have been the only testing-based sources on this. If anyone else has links to other studies on it I would love to read them, I'm just trying to learn as much as possible, I won't exclude any evidence as long as there actually is evidence.
 
BWG707

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Ace Yonder said:
Granted the article/research is from 2003, but that's not really that long ago, and Mahlberg has been researching cannabis since the 70's. Add to that the fact that NAIHC lists him as holding one of only two federal DEA permits to grow and research cannabis. More to the point, he has presented the only scientific evidence for EITHER side that I have seen thus far, every other article on the subject seems to be based anecdotal evidence and theoretical extrapolation of chemistry, and not based on empirical evidence and actual testing. I don't have a dog in this fight, just in my research his papers have been the only testing-based sources on this. If anyone else has links to other studies on it I would love to read them, I'm just trying to learn as much as possible, I won't exclude any evidence as long as there actually is evidence.
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I pretty much feel the same way you do. Would love to see more tests and further research. I always hear conflicting info on this subject, would like to see this settled.
 
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BWG707 said:
I pretty much feel the same way you do. Would love to see more tests and further research. I always hear conflicting info on this subject, would like to see this settled.
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My business instincts, on a deep level, tell me that if a later harvest = heavier yield, then it benefits most growers for the world to think that a late harvest also = more potent yield, regardless of what the facts are. That's not to say that is the reason for anything, just a thought I had, something to ponder. And while I would initially say we would just be able to tell by testing it, especially considering variances in tolerance I find that the placebo effect of believing it will be more or less potent greatly influences the experience and limits my ability to judge objectively. I just wish I had lab equipment of my own so I could put this to rest once and for all over in a timely manner
 
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The biggest conflict I see is the statement that states" clear trics hold the highest % THC". I've heard it both ways. Mostly that cloudy trics hold the highest % THC. I'm not a an expert or a scientist and have never really tried to do any comparisons so I don't really know but my buds, and the whole plant looks riper/more mature when the trics are mostly cloudy. That's when I usually try to harvest anyway. Would love to know if I should actually be looking for the highest % of clear trics. I'm sure others will join in soon with much better answers than I could come up with.
 
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