im telling you. try pure spray green. i just went to a buddies whose whole everything was infested with mites. hooked and curling leaves.i gave 2 applications of pure spray green and they were gone. pulled the damgaed leaves. a little great whie and water in the soil, a spray down with karma and they are doing awesome. and my buddy tried everything and nothing worked until i came over and now he's stoked. it kills eggs, adults, and babies. most of the others don't. alot of lines claim to be organic and aren't if they have the OMRI listed on the label then they are truly oraganic. i spent months trying everything myself. i finally came across it. it really works. 25 dol for a quart. very concentrate. you can even sleep next to the plants after spraying them unlike some other toxic mitecides.