small pots? - never again

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growone

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i've posted a few threads on this plant problem i've been having
but this resuilt was so dramatic, i felt it was worth one more

so had this jock horror, pot was about a pint size
micro grow in a pc case, 1 27w cfl
the seed was very slow sprouting, but seemed to grow ok for a little while
then after 10 days or so, just slowed to a crawl
tried feeding, ph, ..., just couldn't figure it out
so i popped the little plant out, the 1 inch runt had a root ball the size of the pot
into a larger pot it went, same soil, same environment
4 days later it's grown more in the last 4 days than the last 4 weeks
maybe small pots work for some growers, but it bit me bigtime

before pic 56 days!, horror to left, to the right is a trashed clone i was getting ready to toss



and the horror 4 days later, quite a change

 
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growone

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pinkjackyle said:
u had other problems going on to cause that
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maybe, but this was the only change i made in the before and after picture
and that pot was full of root, not root bound but plenty of root
but you make 1 change, and then see this kind of response, i'd be skeptical this wasn't the problem
 
DST

DST

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growone said:
maybe, but this was the only change i made in the before and after picture
and that pot was full of root, not root bound but plenty of root
but you make 1 change, and then see this kind of response, i'd be skeptical this wasn't the problem
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Glad it's working out for you Growone. I was puzzling over why my seedlings were not growing, (apart form the fact that I kinda fried them to begin with - got the temps under control now) It wasn't the pots because I have them in 3 gallon pots, it was only when I realised when I woke up in the middle of the night, went to the toilet and I could here the grow room still shunting along. My timer had broke and the little yins hadn't had and darkness at all!!! (they are under a 600w HPS son T,) They have had 3 dark nights now and like you say, one change can make the difference....:-P

:leaf:DST
 
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growone

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DST said:
Glad it's working out for you Growone. I was puzzling over why my seedlings were not growing, (apart form the fact that I kinda fried them to begin with - got the temps under control now) It wasn't the pots because I have them in 3 gallon pots, it was only when I realised when I woke up in the middle of the night, went to the toilet and I could here the grow room still shunting along. My timer had broke and the little yins hadn't had and darkness at all!!! (they are under a 600w HPS son T,) They have had 3 dark nights now and like you say, one change can make the difference....:-P

:leaf:DST
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good little story DST
many looked at my little plant and said 'toss it, bad genetics or pheno'
but i think if you're persistent and patient, most problems can be figured out
 
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growone

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Jerry Garcia said:
Looks way overwatered...you ever let that soil dry out? Are there any drainage holes in those pots?
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i watered every 2 days, i did dry out - it dried WAY out
the soil got quite dry after 2 days
when i popped it out of its little pot, i was wondering if that was the trouble
but it wasn't wet in there, not at all
and the roots seemed healthy - which made no sense to me at all
 
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growone

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Don Gin and Ton said:
it took 56 days to realise something was up?!!?!? lol

good luck man n happy growing
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no. not quite that bad
took 2 weeks to get the seed out of the soil, real slow sprouter
did ok for 10 days after that
then it just stopped, tried adjusting ph, then fed a couple of different of nutes over the next 4-5 weeks
than i gave up on the pot and transplanted which seems to been a big help
but yeah, this tiny plant + 56 days does sound pretty funny
 
figtree

figtree

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if your using small pots you need to "pot up" increase the size of the pots as you go, the roots will take up all your space, also if you pot up like that your root ball will be way healthier.

looking at your pics i dont know if the root mass was being restricted, kinda small to have filled up that pot, i think you had something wrong with the ph of your soil that made it stunt, and when you transplanted it corrected itself. as an example: i have 4 apple spouts in pint size pots, these sprouts are over 2 feet tall and nice and thick stalk, I'm sure they have a decent sized rootball but they are not showing signs of being rootbound. these are massive seedlings, way bigger than what is in your pots.

good job on the correction though, i just think you fixed the problem without realizing what the problem was.

DST, you have seedlings under a 600 watt light? think its a bit intense for your young plants? thats probably why your frying them, sure they will recover but your adding a hiccup right at the begining of growth, unneeded stress on your young plants.

growone, your totaly right most problems can be figured out with time and persistance, and sometimes problems can be corrected with out even realizing the correct fix or whats going on. and at times, they just want to be left alone... One saying that I try to live by "when in doubt....flush it out" and if your in soil..... a transplant will do wonders for you when your plant looks like it has issues.
good luck with your grow, and I'm happy you got through your issues.
 
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growone

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figtree said:
if your using small pots you need to "pot up" increase the size of the pots as you go, the roots will take up all your space, also if you pot up like that your root ball will be way healthier.

looking at your pics i dont know if the root mass was being restricted, kinda small to have filled up that pot, i think you had something wrong with the ph of your soil that made it stunt, and when you transplanted it corrected itself. as an example: i have 4 apple spouts in pint size pots, these sprouts are over 2 feet tall and nice and thick stalk, I'm sure they have a decent sized rootball but they are not showing signs of being rootbound. these are massive seedlings, way bigger than what is in your pots.

good job on the correction though, i just think you fixed the problem without realizing what the problem was.

DST, you have seedlings under a 600 watt light? think its a bit intense for your young plants? thats probably why your frying them, sure they will recover but your adding a hiccup right at the begining of growth, unneeded stress on your young plants.

growone, your totaly right most problems can be figured out with time and persistance, and sometimes problems can be corrected with out even realizing the correct fix or whats going on. and at times, they just want to be left alone... One saying that I try to live by "when in doubt....flush it out" and if your in soil..... a transplant will do wonders for you when your plant looks like it has issues.
good luck with your grow, and I'm happy you got through your issues.
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figtree, nice thoughtful post, and i think you're right
i really don't know exactly what my trouble was
but i had been adjusting my ph, was around 6, then slowly adjusted up to 6.5
nothing, or next to nothing
but the root ball and the plant just floored me
it wasn't really root bound, but of the plant total, i'd say %90 of the plant was root
i expected some screwed up roots when i popped it out
they looked healthy, but who knows for sure?
it wasn't obvious root rot anyways, which is what i was suspecting
 
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doc111

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growone said:
figtree, nice thoughtful post, and i think you're right
i really don't know exactly what my trouble was
but i had been adjusting my ph, was around 6, then slowly adjusted up to 6.5
nothing, or next to nothing
but the root ball and the plant just floored me
it wasn't really root bound, but of the plant total, i'd say %90 of the plant was root
i expected some screwed up roots when i popped it out
they looked healthy, but who knows for sure?
it wasn't obvious root rot anyways, which is what i was suspecting
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Alright man! I'm glad to see you got it sorted out. I knew you would. ;-)
 
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growone

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one final update on this grief, you'll have to look back at the 1st post to appreciate the change here
and the change is just bumping up from a pot that was about 1 pint to 2 quarts
ph, soil, feeding, lighting, all the same
plant was a jock horror from nirvana, you wouldn't know this was the same plant
and i've had trouble with another strain in a small pot
so this is to the other newbs out there(like me)
be cautious with small pots, sometimes they can hurt(bad!)

 
pinkjackyle

pinkjackyle

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i guess so ! i was thinking light deprived ,2 27 watt cfls ,or bad perlite , seeing how its derived ,not that ive ever heard of it . if everyone knew it was industrial waste from coal plants wonder how many wood stop using it h mmmmm ?? anyway thats wild how it decided 2 start growing, must of been underfeeding smaller pot means feeding and watering more often or feeding heavier when feeding what ! whos there ? oh im just hi :dunce:
 
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