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Kingrow1 · Apr 17, 2018

Let me list reason four of the snakeoil led bs spewed out here - Hos are too hot! No dude your house is too hot, no one likes living in a hot stuffy indoor climate so why subject your wife kids pets and plants to it. Pop over to the developed world for five seconds and let us sell you some climate control so you can live like the rest of us.

Maybe yo wife and kids wont leave you for being so cheap and you can create an indoor environment that isnt plus thirty celcius and eighty relative humidity.

blowincherrypie · Apr 17, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
Oh id agree but theres a cut off point, take your led back in ten years, tell them a few diodes have blown and watch them do fuck alk about it.

Cunning marketing, the warranty is actually nowhere near this long.

I have zero against leds, awesome lights. Problem comes listening to all the hype so really its those peeps and not specificalky leds that touched me in a private place and made me champion the truth as much as those that champion the hype.

Why are you one of these growers...?

Michael Huntherz · Apr 17, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
Oh id agree but theres a cut off point, take your led back in ten years, tell them a few diodes have blown and watch them do fuck alk about it.

Cunning marketing, the warranty is actually nowhere near this long.

I have zero against leds, awesome lights. Problem comes listening to all the hype so really its those peeps and not specificalky leds that touched me in a private place and made me champion the truth as much as those that champion the hype.

Why are you one of these growers...?

I don’t think anyone is hyping LED in this thread. But I hear you, loud and clear, there are some shady marketing practices out there, and a big group of zealots who act like they are magical unicorn lights. I think most in this thread aren’t like that. Nobody’s warranty on a light fixture is 10 years, but the life expectancy of the diodes themselves is in that range. Time will tell.

rkymtnman · Apr 17, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
Oh id agree but theres a cut off point, take your led back in ten years, tell them a few diodes have blown and watch them do fuck alk about it.

do the same with your $200 hps. you power it up and the ballast and bulb fails after 3 weeks. think they are going to do anything?

Kingrow1 · Apr 17, 2018

blowincherrypie said:

Hey another led grower, tell us the story of how leds were meant to destroy the hps market but it never happened cause hps were that good and then cmh came along to poop your low watt party.

Seriously i love hearing it at the same time i flick through all the Uk hydro shops inventory of non led lights since they dropped them for.....

The reasons I LISTED.... go figure smart guy :-)

Michael Huntherz · Apr 17, 2018

thenotsoesoteric said:
Brother A rescued by a savy bodyguard raised abroad in a finer class of living

Brother B left at the door steps of a Hong Kong orphanage raised by the hard streets

Their parents were murder and it's up to them to work together to save the day.

+100 internets for eso

Michael Huntherz · Apr 17, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
Hey another led grower, tell us the story of how leds were meant to destroy the hps market but it never happened cause hps were that good and then cmh came along to poop your low watt party.

Seriously i love hearing it at the same time i flick through all the Uk hydro shops inventory of non led lights since they dropped them for.....

The reasons I LISTED.... go figure smart guy

Dude, now you are being flat dumb.

Commercial greenhouses in food and ornamental markets, municipal streetlamps, warehouses, office buildings, grocery stores and every other entity imaginable are all converting to LED lighting. These things take time, and you will be left in the past unless you get your head right about it.

The buggy whip salesman used to be really upset because of the new automotive carriages destroying their business, how many buggy whip salesman do you know today?

I have nothing against HID lighting, but you won’t be able to give that shit away in a few years.

A number of cities have actually outlawed them within city limits already

MichiganMedGrower · Apr 17, 2018

Michael Huntherz said:
Dude, now you are being flat dumb.

Commercial greenhouses in food and ornamental markets, municipal streetlamps, warehouses, office buildings, grocery stores and every other entity imaginable are all converting to LED lighting. These things take time, and you will be left in the past unless you get your head right about it.

The buggy whip salesman used to be really upset because of the new automotive carriages destroying their business, how many buggy whip salesman do you know today?

I agree but for specific hobbies bulbs will likely be available for many years.

An example is vaacuum tubes for guitar amps. Not made since the 60’s except for a couple of manufacturers for instrument tubes. You can buy them easily.

Michael Huntherz · Apr 17, 2018

MichiganMedGrower said:
I agree but for specific hobbies bulbs will likely be available for many years.

An example is vaacuum tubes for guitar amps. Not made since the 60’s except for a couple of manufacturers for instrument tubes. You can buy them easily.

That’s a fair point.
I have been thinking about running LEDs and HPS at the same time

MichiganMedGrower · Apr 17, 2018

Michael Huntherz said:
That’s a fair point.
I have been thinking about running LEDs and HPS at the same time

DREGER liked it.

blowincherrypie · Apr 17, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
its those peeps and not specificalky leds that touched me in a private place

Michael Huntherz · Apr 17, 2018

DREGER is a fucking bot, seriously. I wonder if it has anything to do with the downtime over the last two days? I bet it does.

blowincherrypie · Apr 17, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
Hey another led grower, tell us the story of how leds were meant to destroy the hps market but it never happened cause hps were that good and then cmh came along to poop your low watt party.

Seriously i love hearing it at the same time i flick through all the Uk hydro shops inventory of non led lights since they dropped them for.....

The reasons I LISTED.... go figure smart guy

lol wrong guy buddy.. I do run lots of LED but check my postings this past week and youll see me say "the 315 cmh is one of my favorite lamps". nice try though "smart guy".. keep it up!

Kingrow1 · Apr 17, 2018

Michael Huntherz said:
Dude, now you are being flat dumb.

Commercial greenhouses in food and ornamental markets, municipal streetlamps, warehouses, office buildings, grocery stores and every other entity imaginable are all converting to LED lighting. These things take time, and you will be left in the past unless you get your head right about it.

The buggy whip salesman used to be really upset because of the new automotive carriages destroying their business, how many buggy whip salesman do you know today?

I have nothing against HID lighting, but you won’t be able to give that shit away in a few years.

A number of cities have actually outlawed them within city limits already

Led streetlights arent brighter, they illuminate more as a spot not the surroundings, most in the uk miss the hps, dont like the colour or the glare and has been reported that as our streets are darker they are unsafer with leds.

So fucking what, they werent put in as a superior light, they were put in as a cost saving exercise. The disadvantages have been made known in the national bbc news here a few times.

Not convincing to base grow led lights on other world applications and at around 0.1watts leds get very very efficient not at 3 or 5 watts run at half power, here we see why they never took over the market.

Havent even touched on spectrum yet, reason 5.

Kingrow1 · Apr 17, 2018

Michael Huntherz said:
DREGER is a fucking bot, seriously. I wonder if it has anything to do with the downtime over the last two days? I bet it does.

Were we hacked again?

Kingrow1 · Apr 17, 2018

blowincherrypie said:
lol wrong guy buddy.. I do run lots of LED but check my postings this past week and youll see me say "the 315 cmh is one of my favorite lamps". nice try though "smart guy".. keep it up!

I see little concensus on the cmh still but it seems to be the most selling here, some have dropped led hos and mh and just stock cmh but im not sold yet.

Splaap · Apr 17, 2018

Snakes come pre-oiled.

Michael Huntherz · Apr 17, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
Led streetlights arent brighter, they illuminate more as a spot not the surroundings, most in the uk miss the hps, dont like the colour or the glare and has been reported that as our streets are darker they are unsafer with leds.

So fucking what, they werent put in as a superior light, they were put in as a cost saving exercise. The disadvantages have been made known in the national bbc news here a few times.

Not convincing to base grow led lights on other world applications and at around 0.1watts leds get very very efficient not at 3 or 5 watts run at half power, here we see why they never took over the market.

Havent even touched on spectrum yet, reason 5.

Kingrow1 said:
Were we hacked again?

There was some downtime, I think that user is a bot who is probing for security vulnerabilities.

I appreciate that you’re mad at or about the horticultural LED movement, but I do not believe your reasoning is entirely sound. We can disagree, and everything will be OK. I do not want to be a part of the holy war, on any side, I am just calling how I see it. The extremism on both sides almost makes me want to run pure CFL...

not.)

blowincherrypie · Apr 17, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
I see little concensus on the cmh still but it seems to be the most selling here, some have dropped led hos and mh and just stock cmh but im not sold yet.

consensus doesnt grow plants and if you're talking about spectrum i cant remember seeing much that beat the 315. There are plenty of good reasons to use high quality leds and plenty of good reasons to use hps. not sure why anybody cares as much as you seem to what the next wo/man is using. I wish you the best with your growing but think Ive had about enough of this thread. Good luck!

blowincherrypie · Apr 17, 2018

Michael Huntherz said:
There was some downtime, I think that user is a bot who is probing for security vulnerabilities.

I appreciate that you’re mad at or about the horticultural LED movement, but I do not believe your reasoning is entirely sound. We can disagree, and everything will be OK. I do not want to be a part of the holy war, on any side, I am just calling how I see it. The extremism on both sides almost makes me want to run pure CFL... not.)

incandescent or nada!

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