So Illinois SB 1381 What Us With This

Tw3nti3ight

Tw3nti3ight

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purplehazejesussaves said:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d834515c5469e20133f606ef82970b

this is the first article i've seen about the recent actions in the house... Basically says that the effective date had to be changed in order for the bill to not become effective immediately. If no change was made it would have required 71 votes, with the new wording the bill would require only a simple majority to pass. This is good news, but carries the extra step of having to go back to the senate for a re-vote before moving to the governor. The bill is on the 3rd reading which means, upon its next proposal (i guess maybe this is that 1/11/2011 date), it will come to vote--passing will send back to senate or fails and bill is dead. Article by says lou lang appeared to have enough votes to pass the bill through the house... Also talks crazy nonsense "illinois could be the first state in the midwest to legalize marijuana and open the door to increased usage among the state's youth." what the hell is that!?!?! I guess that's their only defense this conservative blog has against this legislation.
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yes that is because i am here in illinois!!! I have will county by the balls!!!


PLUS MY NEIGHBOR IS A STATE TROOPER. COOL AS FUCK!!!

We are going to save a lot of lives!!!


More details on the amendments

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=072005500K11
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=072005500K15
 
Livingfree

Livingfree

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bobbyb987 said:
Really hope so! :weed:
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Just remember, this is a bill for PATIENTS! If this is widely abused the program will not be renewed after the 3 year expiration. This is NOT one of those "let's get this passed so we can ALL enjoy cannabis" bills, this is for the benefit of patients.

This should be voted on the 29th or 30th, if you want to witness history and make one last effort to help get this passed, make it to Springfield on those days. It will have to jump back through the Senate because of the date change in the bill,but it should be swiftly ok'd the following day. So, if this is going to pass it sounds like we aren't going to have to wait until January!
 
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Livingfree said:
Just remember, this is a bill for PATIENTS! If this is widely abused the program will not be renewed after the 3 year expiration. This is NOT one of those "let's get this passed so we can ALL enjoy cannabis" bills, this is for the benefit of patients.

This should be voted on the 29th or 30th, if you want to witness history and make one last effort to help get this passed, make it to Springfield on those days. It will have to jump back through the Senate because of the date change in the bill,but it should be swiftly ok'd the following day. So, if this is going to pass it sounds like we aren't going to have to wait until January!
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believe me i know, my uncle was just diagnosed with ALS, and he wont take anything illegal with the worry of loosing his house (and kids). I myself have bad nausea which is an easy cure with :leaf:
 
kudaross

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So basically what are the chances if this passes that my mother and I will be able to get a card? She was diagnosed with severe anxiety and takes meds that are not cheap. She is also on meds for high blood pressure (related to the anxiety). I on the other hand don't take medications, but I suffer from severe depression and anxiety as well. Smoking now really helps me relax and takes the huge boulder off my shoulder that i unfortunately have to live with the rest of my life. I refuse to take anti-depressants because those just do other damage to your body. I would really hate to see people like myself getting denied just because our conditions aren't a "debilitating medical condition".
 
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Ultima226

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kudaross said:
So basically what are the chances if this passes that my mother and I will be able to get a card? She was diagnosed with severe anxiety and takes meds that are not cheap. She is also on meds for high blood pressure (related to the anxiety). I on the other hand don't take medications, but I suffer from severe depression and anxiety as well. Smoking now really helps me relax and takes the huge boulder off my shoulder that i unfortunately have to live with the rest of my life. I refuse to take anti-depressants because those just do other damage to your body. I would really hate to see people like myself getting denied just because our conditions aren't a "debilitating medical condition".
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I feel your pain bro, your mother, you and I probably won't qualify anytime soon, assuming it passes. This is really an experiment to test the waters. If they like where it's going after 3 years then it will get extended and over time the laws will become less restricting. Just hope it passes for now, you would have to be very, very sick to qualify for this stuff.
 
Livingfree

Livingfree

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kudaross said:
So basically what are the chances if this passes that my mother and I will be able to get a card? She was diagnosed with severe anxiety and takes meds that are not cheap. She is also on meds for high blood pressure (related to the anxiety). I on the other hand don't take medications, but I suffer from severe depression and anxiety as well. Smoking now really helps me relax and takes the huge boulder off my shoulder that i unfortunately have to live with the rest of my life. I refuse to take anti-depressants because those just do other damage to your body. I would really hate to see people like myself getting denied just because our conditions aren't a "debilitating medical condition".
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I'm sorry to say that, at this time, I doubt that your mother will be eligible....maybe in the future, only time will demonstrate how open doctors are to the idea of defining certain conditions as debilitating. You DEFINITELY won't be eligible, as the bill states that you must have first tried other medications, this bill does not automatically allow a patient to bypass other avenues of medication and default to cannabis.
 
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TIGER! TIGER!

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What? Without being the person who approves or denies, how are you going to say he won't be eligible? I don't see anywhere in the bill that says a person has to of pursued other avenues of medication.
 
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Ultima226

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Livingfree said:
I'm sorry to say that, at this time, I doubt that your mother will be eligible....maybe in the future, only time will demonstrate how open doctors are to the idea of defining certain conditions as debilitating. You DEFINITELY won't be eligible, as the bill states that you must have first tried other medications, this bill does not automatically allow a patient to bypass other avenues of medication and default to cannabis.
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Wait, so if I were on a cocktail of antidepressants, stopped taking them because they were effectively turning me into a brainless zombie, MMJ would be an option here in Illinois?
 
stonesour

stonesour

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Look guys and gals, this bill represents the first stepping stone in the right direction. Doctors will be very reluctant to prescribe marijuana for anthing at first. You have to realize this is going to take time. Doctors will have to understand its effects and get used to prescribing marijuana. It will get there but for the first year dont expect to get a script for anxiety or anthing other than cancer patients going through chemo.
 
Tw3nti3ight

Tw3nti3ight

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stonesour said:
Look guys and gals, this bill represents the first stepping stone in the right direction. Doctors will be very reluctant to prescribe marijuana for anthing at first. You have to realize this is going to take time. Doctors will have to understand its effects and get used to prescribing marijuana. It will get there but for the first year dont expect to get a script for anxiety or anthing other than cancer patients going through chemo.
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Dude wake up!!! You are lost...you are telling me that Illinois doctors are dumber than Californians? Like they don't know others that are in the same field in another state. And they don't converse or read articles....W O W! Especially with how technologically advanced we "think" we are...

I find that HARD to believe...:finger:bsflag.gif
 
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Ultima226

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Tw3nti3ight said:
Dude wake up!!! You are lost...you are telling me that Illinois doctors are dumber than Californians? Like they don't know others that are in the same field in another state. And they don't converse or read articles....W O W! Especially with how technologically advanced we "think" we are...

I find that HARD to believe...:finger:View attachment 1294505
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While I wish you were right, you're only partially right. The docs here in Illinois may be more open minded being a traditionally democratic state and Chicago being a liberal strong hold but it's not going to just catch on that quick. When the bill for California passed in...96 I think, they didn't instantly start giving out MMJ cards like they do now after having years to see the effects in their communities. The Illinois docs will eventually catch on or dismiss any fears but first the bill has to have some time to be evaluated by those who may or may not pass it.
 
Livingfree

Livingfree

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TIGER! TIGER! said:
What? Without being the person who approves or denies, how are you going to say he won't be eligible? I don't see anywhere in the bill that says a person has to of pursued other avenues of medication.
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It absolutely does say that in the bill.

SB1381 said:
a debilitating disease or medical condition or its treatment that produces intractable pain, which is severe, debilitating pain that did not respond to other reasonable medical efforts for a reasonable period of time, including in cases where other treatment options produced serious side effects;
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This means that it would be tough to just say that you refuse any other treatment because of potential side effects. Most likely a doctor would have to have proof that those medicines would cause such negative side effects for that specific patient.

Ultima226 said:
Wait, so if I were on a cocktail of antidepressants, stopped taking them because they were effectively turning me into a brainless zombie, MMJ would be an option here in Illinois?
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Since this bill doesn't mention specifics on certain disorders, I can't be the judge of that. I honestly don't see medical cannabis being recommended for patients with depression here in Illinois, at least not during the pilot program.

Tw3nti3ight said:
Dude wake up!!! You are lost...you are telling me that Illinois doctors are dumber than Californians? Like they don't know others that are in the same field in another state. And they don't converse or read articles....W O W! Especially with how technologically advanced we "think" we are...

I find that HARD to believe...:finger:
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I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. It will absolutely take time for this to gain momentum. Doctors are not going to jump in this head first, they will ease into it cautiously and test the waters. The most severe cases will be the main focus towards the beginning. All patients should have equal rights and equal safe access to medicine, but it's unrealistic to think something like that happens over night.

And don't be naive to think that all doctors are knowledgeable about cannabis and how it will benefit their patients. While I've talked to doctors who have a vast amount of knowledge on cannabis and it's benefits, there are plenty who have hardly given it a second thought. Though, the common denominator is that none of them have experience recommending/prescribing it for patients.
 
stonesour

stonesour

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Tw3nti3ight said:
Dude wake up!!! You are lost...you are telling me that Illinois doctors are dumber than Californians? Like they don't know others that are in the same field in another state. And they don't converse or read articles....W O W! Especially with how technologically advanced we "think" we are...

I find that HARD to believe...:finger:View attachment 1294505
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Im not even going to waste my time with this post. Obviously you have no Idea how these things work.
 
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RedGoblin

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I'm sorry if it's been mentioned somewhere in the 14+ pages of this thread, but what ailments would be acceptable for medical marijuana under this bill? I have social anxiety, am currently prescribed Klonopin, and have been prescribed several different SSRI anti-depressants, all unsuccessfully. Is there a chance I would be a candidate pending approval of the bill?
 
theexpress

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icefog said:
A lot of good stuff in this thread. None of it matters though. The bill has been defeated.
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no it hasnt fool!!! stop spreading bullshit lies!!!!! its up for final vote in jan.. they were supposed to finalize this shit in either nov. this year or jan next year... since this year was an election year they put it off.. thank god ...
 
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