so im working on this design. what do you think?

hello everyone,
im looking to build this up within the next week or two. heres the description. 2 cabinets connected together(20x32x76=veg/mothers, 20x48x76=flowering). 8-32w cfls(might be overdoing it here) for the cloning/first week of veg. 250cmh for 4 mothers and 2nd week of veg for the clones. the flowering section im not sure if 2- 400w hps lights or 1-600w would be better here. the air intakes would be 2- 8" darkroom vents entering the clone area and then through 4-3" vents leading to the mother area, then to through 2 more darkroom vents going into the flowering area. the 6" or 8" fan will suck the air into the carbon filter/ballast area that would be sealed with a gasketed panel within the cabinet, and then into a carbon scrubber on top of the cabinet and out to the garage roof vents. there would be 7 plants flowering in 5 qt hempy buckets and harvested every month. any comments on the design or any potential flaws that you could point out would be greatly appreciated. thank you.

Looks pretty good, but i dont know how well vertical would do in a cab. I would imagine the corners would just be bad, lots of moving pots around, but it looks like a good design.

Im not sure how your planning it, I would make the box thicker in the beginning, adding a bit now can save a lot of hassle in the future, make it so you can get good sized pots all the way around the vertical light.

The whole concept of vert is if you have a lot of space, you want to load it up with as little lights as possible, a scrog may be more manageable and yield better results in a confined space.

Still 2 lights, and 2 shelves, just more room for pots.

darippa said:

hello everyone,
im looking to build this up within the next week or two. heres the description. 2 cabinets connected together(20x32x76=veg/mothers, 20x48x76=flowering). 8-32w cfls(might be overdoing it here) for the cloning/first week of veg. 250cmh for 4 mothers and 2nd week of veg for the clones. the flowering section im not sure if 2- 400w hps lights or 1-600w would be better here. the air intakes would be 2- 8" darkroom vents entering the clone area and then through 4-3" vents leading to the mother area, then to through 2 more darkroom vents going into the flowering area. the 6" or 8" fan will suck the air into the carbon filter/ballast area that would be sealed with a gasketed panel within the cabinet, and then into a carbon scrubber on top of the cabinet and out to the garage roof vents. there would be 7 plants flowering in 5 qt hempy buckets and harvested every month. any comments on the design or any potential flaws that you could point out would be greatly appreciated. thank you.

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Look's Good My Brother!!!,,,,,,,,I Think Your Vert. Will Work Good,,You Won't Need To Veg. The Plant's Very Long Or You Will Out-Grow Your Chamber!!,,,,,,,You Might Want To Run The Exhaust From The Cooltube On Out To The Attic & Away From Everything!!,,,,,,,& In The Veg Chamber, You Will Do Alot Better With A Cooltube In The Veg. Chamber Also!!,,,,Why Not Make It A Vert. Too.,,,,,,,If You Are Going With Your Vert.,,I'd Go With The Two 400w. Hps With Cooltube's,,,Hell, You Really Could Just Make Two Vert. Flower Chamber's, & Clone From Clone's, That Doesn't Take Much Room......Well Best Of Luck,,,,,,,,Later,,HATCH

I'm not sure about the vertical aspect of the flowering as I'm just getting into my reading/research on the topic, however the rest of the setup and the overall design looks awesome. As a cfl grower I'll just comment on the # of bulbs. 8 32W bulbs is just a liiiiiittle bit overkill friend , for just clones in early veg I'd say if you wanna use the 32W's 5 -6 should be more than sufficient, they give off more heat than advertised lol.. I have 7 26W in my cabinet which is a larger open space with 2 intakes and 2 exhausts and my temps still run in the low 80s at their highest. That's just my 2 cents though.. Looks great ! Good Luck !!

-Tdot

thanks for the ideas. I'll figure a way to use another cooltube for the cmh bulb without messing up the airflow of the cabs and see if I can run the filter and ballasts out of the cab for extra vert height. I guess the cflsl were a bit of overkill, and the extra bulbs would be used to supplement the mothers area. Any other ideas are appreciated. Thanks again.

you plants in the corner wont work with that vertical design....eliminate just the corner plants and you are on the road to an awesome cab

why wouldn't the plants in the corner work? They would be coming into the area with not much veg time and shouldn't be blocked by the other plants. Am I missing something? In the meantime I've been busy at the hardware stores slowly acquiring the items to build this up. The cabs, lights and fans will be coming very shortly. Thanks again.

i would just start with an old closet,fan, flos and hps for 12/12.
you might build what your building and find its not big enuf.
nothings ever big enuf once you start growing.
good luck anyway

is it a light running through your design?.
running down the middle of the closet?.

as for the size that's as big as it's gonna get. Don't got the room anymore for a larger grow. The edge of the cooltubes will be about 2" from the inside of the doors allowing the back of the cab enough room to hopefully not burn the flowering plants. Im thinking, worse case scenario is that it's too hot and I need to install an a/c to cool it all off.

good luck but i think its going to be cramped and too hot.
id just use a normal closet

darippa said:

hello everyone,
im looking to build this up within the next week or two. heres the description. 2 cabinets connected together(20x32x76=veg/mothers, 20x48x76=flowering). 8-32w cfls(might be overdoing it here) for the cloning/first week of veg. 250cmh for 4 mothers and 2nd week of veg for the clones. the flowering section im not sure if 2- 400w hps lights or 1-600w would be better here. the air intakes would be 2- 8" darkroom vents entering the clone area and then through 4-3" vents leading to the mother area, then to through 2 more darkroom vents going into the flowering area. the 6" or 8" fan will suck the air into the carbon filter/ballast area that would be sealed with a gasketed panel within the cabinet, and then into a carbon scrubber on top of the cabinet and out to the garage roof vents. there would be 7 plants flowering in 5 qt hempy buckets and harvested every month. any comments on the design or any potential flaws that you could point out would be greatly appreciated. thank you.

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Hi mate! So if you want my opinion, then you wont like it.

All that setup looks damn good, but, there gonna be a heat problem and also mother problem... your mothers gonna make much much more clones that u can use for that flowering cab. Also you gonna have heat problem huge heat problem 400w or 600w forget it... there is no vent that can cool down that heat in so small cab. ( trust me i have tryed it ) Look at the picture i got there 200w cfl and heat is 26 celsius thats should be O.K for mothers. First i inserted 600w HPS and alot of vents up and down. No use at all. then i switched 400w HPS, still tooo hot, so now im using 200w cfl and its working for that small space.well that cab of yours is good for mothers and veg. but make flowering room some other place like closet or something like that.

Well made skratch with google soft.

GL mate.

Dang...Looks good to me man. Mad props. Are you building the actual cabinet or buting one premade? I especially like the filter internal up top, if smell ever becomes an issue put a little ozone(real little like 20-30 mg/hr.) generator up there and that area acts like a bafflebox. I would try to personally try keep everything internal if you can.

I think the 250 cmh may be overkill for mother/second week of veg and difficult to cool. I would go with some HO CFL. Or soem 2' t5 for the mothers/veg. You basically just want to keep the mothers alive. You can just up the lights/water fro a few days when you are close to grabbing some clones or in veg stage. The t5s may be more expensive initiall but the heat is considerably less and the bulbs can be mixed and matched and upkepp and cost to run will be less. Since you really dont need much penetration in this area, the t5s are better. You will get a real even spread of light down. This will cause less shadowing from the mother onto the clones. For example I have an 192 watt 8 bulb 2" T5 new wave light. When i want quick growth or when im vegging i use all 8 bulbs. If i just want to maintain the mothers, i will unscrew 6 of them and basically only be running 50 watts.

I disagree with charlie green. I have a 600 HPS and have no problem keeping my temps in the 70s or 4 degress over ambient. I would go 600 if i were you as that is the most effecient lumens/watt light and 1 light will create less air resistence in rour cooltube. Like Hatch said 2 400s will give you beteer results if you got the funds and ability to cool them. Looks like Charlie has an open reflector so of course it gets hot as shit....Dont use cfl for flowering no way no how if you want dense buds.

BUT in order to cool the cooltube you are going to have to pull 300cfm through it. Idealy if you can vent that hot air from the light out of the room the cab resides in it would be more effeceint as the room will heat up fairly quickly. Now that you want to pull 300cfm through the cooltube, you will want less going through the carbon filter to exhauset the cab. I recommend to two fans. This will also allow you to better control temps and noise.

I have a 2 fan set-up in my sig if you are looking for fans that work well w/ that set-up. But my grow journal has the newest mods to the cabinet.

Lastly, i know vertical is cool and can increase yields. I originally wanted to do my cab vertically and was similar to yours but used dwc and had a screen to better control/train the plants. Ultimately i decided against it due to the fact you have a higher number of plants and the buds though numerous will be smaller. Especially with a cabinet the back plants would be really close and may burn due to the short depth of the cabinet. I dont know that yield would be much better if better at all than having large colas in a scrog set-up. Any difference in yield i feel would be offset by having my whole cab working all the time if i wanted. Where as in your vert design you will only be vegging for like 1-2 weeks if that because of your "height restrictions of your plants.

I wanted to best use my space and make it easy. I decided to only grow 2 large plants in flower using srcog. Well they are flowering i will veg my clone for 2 months allowing them to be large as well. This way i can roll w/ 3-4 mothers, 2 in veg , 2- inflower and get a crop potentially every 60 days. Thats only 7 plants total, 2 of which are "mature". I should be able to get 16 oz every 2 months.

Man that vertical looks cool though. The design in build is a ton of fun i would love to build a vertical. I just wouldnt want to grow in it. If you are stuck on vertical IMHO i would
1. possible go deeper cabinet
2. definitely you will need some screens to place the buds so they all get light and maximise yield. If you dont use a screen then you should not go vertical.
3. The plants in the corners arent need and will be hard to get to.
4. Have the light tube detach from the ducting easy so you can remove it to access /maintain the plants.
5. If you are putting this much time in it think about recirculating dwc or ebb/flow type set-up. That would definitely be cool as shit in there, less maintence, fun to design, better results.

Best of luck and grace us w/ your decision and pictures...i think i have a cab fetish.

Thanks everyone for the input.
Fmj,
Your cab is top notch. I've never done a vert grow before, just the dwc in a bigger area and with a/c. Wanted to try something different but keeping the numbers low and scrogging may be perfect for this set up. I'll look into the 600w hps and that fluoro set up you got seems like a good idea. 2 fans may also be the best option and I may have to add co2 to compensate for temps. We will see as it gets built up. How do you like the joeyweed beans so far? I was thinking of trying some of those after i find some good moms in my current seed packs. Good luck with your grow.