So where is it?

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What's next in the stalled hunt for Flight 370?

SYDNEY (AP) — Thursday marked a bleak moment for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. For the first time since it disappeared March 8 with 239 people on board, no one is looking for it.

An unmanned sub that spent weeks scouring the area of the Indian Ocean where searchers had detected acoustic signals they hoped were from the aircraft finished its work Wednesday, after finding nothing. Australian officials leading the search acknowledged that the area can be ruled out as the aircraft's final resting place.

A civilian expert with the U.S. Navy told CNN that the "pings," detected about a month after Flight 370 disappeared, probably were not from the jet. A Navy spokesman later said the comments were premature, but now that 850 square kilometers (330 square miles) of ocean floor have been thoroughly searched, the point may be moot.

Australian and Malaysian authorities still believe the plane is somewhere in a broader expanse of ocean close to where they had been searching. They released details this week of satellite contact with the jet that led them to that conclusion.

Answers to the tragic mystery appear to be months away — at best. Here are details about where the search stands:

Q: IF THE PINGS WERE NOT FROM THE PLANE, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE SEARCH?

A: Given that the head of the search operation, Angus Houston, once dubbed the pings the "most promising lead" in the hunt for Flight 370, a determination that they were unrelated would be a huge disappointment. But it wouldn't change the direction of the search. Officials have already been planning to move beyond the search area centered on the pings to a far larger search zone, which was calculated based on an analysis of satellite data. That plan remains in place.

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Q: WHY IS NO ONE SEARCHING FOR THE PLANE NOW, AND WHEN WILL THE SEARCH RESUME?

A: The Bluefin 21, the unmanned sub that scoured the ocean floor for several weeks, finished its search on Wednesday. Officials now must find a vessel that can go even deeper than the Bluefin to survey the expanded search zone, parts of which have never been mapped and where the maximum depth remains a mystery. Officials must organize contracts for the new equipment with a private company. The Joint Agency Coordination Center, which is heading up the search effort, said the new search involving powerful towed side-scan commercial sonar equipment will begin in August.

Q: HOW BIG IS THE SEARCH AREA NOW, AND HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE FOR THE NEW EQUIPMENT TO COVER IT?

A: The search area is 56,000 square kilometers (21,600 square miles). Officials say it will take up to a year for the new equipment to thoroughly search the area.

Q: WHICH COUNTRIES ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE SEARCH EFFORT, AND HOW?

A: Australia is coordinating the search. The Chinese survey ship Zhu Kezhen is mapping the ocean floor in the new search area, though it is not looking for the plane. Another Chinese ship, Haixun 01, and a Malaysian vessel, Bunga Mas 6, are transporting the survey data collected by the Zhu Kezhen each week to Fremantle, Western Australia, so experts can process it. The survey is expected to take about three months.

Q: HOW MUCH IS THE SEARCH EXPECTED TO COST, AND WHO IS PAYING?

A: Australia has budgeted 90 million Australian dollars ($84 million) for the search through June next year. Until now, each country involved in the search has been bearing its own costs. But Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said he will now seek contributions from other countries to help pay for the new equipment.

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Q: WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, AND WILL BE DONE, FOR THE FAMILIES OF THE MISSING PASSENGERS?

A: Malaysia Airlines paid for family members to stay at hotels in Malaysia and China while they waited for news of the plane. Families were also given logistical and financial assistance, as well as individual caregivers for counseling and support. In early May, the assistance centers were shut down and family members were told to leave. The airline said it will keep in close touch with the families on news updates, though some family members say this has not been the case.

The airline has made advanced compensation payments to some families, but declined to reveal details. It has said such payments will not affect the rights of the next-of-kin to claim compensation according to the law at a later stage, and will be calculated as part of the final compensation.

http://news.yahoo.com/whats-next-stalled-hunt-flight-370-072930357.html
 
Jet searchers rule out area where 'pings' heard

CANBERRA, Australia (AP) — Investigators searching for the missing Malaysian jet have concluded an area where acoustic signals were detected is not the final resting place of the plane after an unmanned submersible found no trace of it, the search coordinator said Thursday.


The U.S. Navy's Bluefin 21 finished its final underwater mission in the southern Indian Ocean on Wednesday after scouring 850 square kilometers (330 square miles), the Joint Agency Coordination Center said.

"The area can now be discounted as the final resting place" of the missing plane, the Australia-based center said in a statement.

The underwater search for the airliner, which vanished March 8 with 239 people on board en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, will be suspended for a couple months while more powerful sonar equipment is brought in to search a much wider area of 56,000 square kilometers (21,600 square miles), based on analysis of satellite data of the plane's most likely course, the center said.
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That analysis has led authorities to believe that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 diverted sharply from its flight path and flew south to the Indian Ocean. But not a single piece of the missing Boeing 777 has been found in one of aviation's most baffling mysteries.

The news comes after the U.S. Navy dismissed an American expert's reported comments that acoustic "pings" heard in April did not come from the jet's black boxes.

CNN reported that the Navy's civilian deputy director of ocean engineering, Michael Dean, said most countries now agreed that the sounds detected by the Navy's Towed Pinger Locator came from a man-made source unrelated to the jet.

"Mike Dean's comments today were speculative and premature, as we continue to work with our partners to more thoroughly understand the data acquired by the Towed Pinger Locator," U.S. Navy spokesman Chris Johnson said in a statement, referring to Australia and Malaysia.

Dean, who is based in Washington, could not be immediately reached for comment.

In an emailed response to questions, the joint coordination agency said it was still examining the signals, but acknowledged: "We may never know the origin of the acoustic detections."

The agency would not yet reveal the next most likely crash site, saying that "will be made public in due course."

Transport Minister Warren Truss said authorities would continue to analyze the sounds that led to the initial search area.

"We concentrated the search in that area because the pings, the information we received, was the best information available at the time and that's all you can do in circumstances like this, to follow the very best leads," Truss told Parliament in announcing the search's failure.

"We're still very confident that the resting place of the aircraft is in the southern ocean and along" the course indicated by satellite analysis, he added.

Opposition lawmaker Tony Burke offered his party's condolences to the victims' families. "The hopes of many have been dashed," he told Parliament.

Officials had described the detection of four series of "pings" in the area that the satellite data indicated was the likely crash site as their best lead in the search. The signals appeared to be consistent with those from aircraft black boxes, which contain flight data and cockpit voice recordings. The locator beacons have a battery life of about a month, and the sounds were detected near the end of that expected lifespan for Flight 370's beacons.

Earlier this week, the Malaysian government released reams of raw satellite data it used to determine that the flight ended in the southern Indian Ocean, a step long demanded by the families of some of the passengers on board. The conclusion is based on complex calculations derived largely from brief hourly transmissions, or "handshakes," between the plane and a communications satellite operated by the British company Inmarsat.

But while the 45 pages of information may help satisfy a desire for more transparency in a much criticized investigation, experts say it's unlikely to solve the mystery of Flight 370. Theories range from mechanical failure to hijacking or pilot murder-suicide.

The families of the victims — many of whom have been highly critical of the Malaysian government and, in the absence of any wreckage, have been unwilling to accept that their loved ones are dead — had been asking for the raw satellite data for many weeks so it could be examined by independent experts. Malaysia initially balked at doing so, but then reconsidered.

http://news.yahoo.com/jet-searchers-rule-area-where-pings-heard-063401028.html
 
We can see that. Why start a thread with no thoughts of your own. Just cut and paste. Reminds me of winter women


Just curious about what others think. I may even learn something. There is more to life than waving your dick around?

Why you following me around?
 
I'm telling you now, it flew into the southern polar vortex. It could be on Mars or anywhere.

We don't understand vortices very well.
 
I'm telling you now, it flew into the southern polar vortex. It could be on Mars or anywhere.

We don't understand vortices very well.

What don't you understand about vortices? Opposing "currents" in a medium will generate eddy currents at their interface (think paddle moving in water). If there is a normal force to the plane (i.e. a force that breaks out from the 2 dimensions of a surface, like gravity in the paddle gedanken), a vortex can form, which can be described with geometry and derivatives (i.e. divergence and curl).
At least, that is what my basic intuition is telling me based on experience. I could be wrong.
 
What don't you understand about vortices? Opposing "currents" in a medium will generate eddy currents at their interface (think paddle moving in water). If there is a normal force to the plane (i.e. a force that breaks out from the 2 dimensions of a surface, like gravity in the paddle gedanken), a vortex can form, which can be described with geometry and derivatives (i.e. divergence and curl).
At least, that is what my basic intuition is telling me based on experience. I could be wrong.
What about my post made you take anything I said seriously?
 
I think someone, somewhere is hiding it. It's going to pop back up at some point. When it does it's not going to be good.
 
those folks were all murdered by the Rothschild Family. who died? who profited? were there any irregularities in corporate travel practices?

all focus is on the pilots. what if they had no control over the craft, and were sceaming, "oh......fuck!" in Malaysian......
 
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