So who here is growing in true organic living soil?
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abe supercro
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Just finished reading the entire thread. I wanted to finish reading the entire thing before I commented. Great informational thread on organics Rrog and others. I have been growing organic for the past 2 years using subcools mix. It was a nice starter mix but could be a lot better and I like the ability to re-use the mix i have going now thanks to this thread.
Couple of questions now. Can we source barley seeds for enzyme tea locally? Also could one touch a little bit more on re-using the soil. Do we ammend weekly during the grow or once upon the completion of a grow, while at the same time laying down some clover? Which clover or cover crop is the best. I saw on amazon a cover crop mix of seeds, or should I just go with one of the clover species?
My opinion on the AACT now. In the past using the organic mix i had before I ran a test of 4 plants each the same strain and same soil. 4 of them I ran using straight bubbled water and 2 sugar waterings late in flower, and the other 4 I ran using an AACT every watering through flower. It seemed that there wasn't any noticeable difference between the 2 plots. The 4 plant plot yielded 8 grams heavier than the plot with straight water, there was no noticeable difference in trichome production or potentcy. After doing this I now just use an AACT to water down my mixing soil and once during the beginning of veg and flower. Like many of you have said, a good amended and cooked soil will provide the plant with plenty of beneficial organisms to breakdown/feed the plant what it craves.
Couple of questions now. Can we source barley seeds for enzyme tea locally? Also could one touch a little bit more on re-using the soil. Do we ammend weekly during the grow or once upon the completion of a grow, while at the same time laying down some clover? Which clover or cover crop is the best. I saw on amazon a cover crop mix of seeds, or should I just go with one of the clover species?
My opinion on the AACT now. In the past using the organic mix i had before I ran a test of 4 plants each the same strain and same soil. 4 of them I ran using straight bubbled water and 2 sugar waterings late in flower, and the other 4 I ran using an AACT every watering through flower. It seemed that there wasn't any noticeable difference between the 2 plots. The 4 plant plot yielded 8 grams heavier than the plot with straight water, there was no noticeable difference in trichome production or potentcy. After doing this I now just use an AACT to water down my mixing soil and once during the beginning of veg and flower. Like many of you have said, a good amended and cooked soil will provide the plant with plenty of beneficial organisms to breakdown/feed the plant what it craves.
Grow Goddess
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The only way I have grown is organic for 14 years now.
I just purchase black soil and work from there.
Really the biggest expense in making my own soil mix is using a lot of worm castings.
Other than that, it is not really expensive, just a lot of work (labor). I use oversize pots for flowering, 13 gallons and up. I don't reuse any of my soil, just keep throwing it in the yard, filling in the low spots. It is not the best way to grow for profit, but I do consider it the best way to grow for quality, especially when it comes to concentrates.
I just purchase black soil and work from there.
Really the biggest expense in making my own soil mix is using a lot of worm castings.
Other than that, it is not really expensive, just a lot of work (labor). I use oversize pots for flowering, 13 gallons and up. I don't reuse any of my soil, just keep throwing it in the yard, filling in the low spots. It is not the best way to grow for profit, but I do consider it the best way to grow for quality, especially when it comes to concentrates.
st0wandgrow
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Nice to see you around Grow Goddess
Grow Goddess
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I've been posting here and there in the concentrates section.
Other than that, I haven't really been posting much anywhere.
At first I was a little worried that the sub forums for the individual mm states was gone, but I found them!
Nice to see you around too!
Other than that, I haven't really been posting much anywhere.
At first I was a little worried that the sub forums for the individual mm states was gone, but I found them!
Nice to see you around too!
Mad Hamish
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Noooooo don't throw away the soil
It just keeps getting better if you follow Rrog and StOw's advice 
Mad Hamish
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Don't get me started on how foreigners have screwed this place up. Our land races are going fast. It took me many months to find pure Swazi seed, and I am making sure they end up in preservation projects.
This used to be our standard smoke, you would pay 10 USD for an ounce of the finest, huge rock solid nugs dripping with GOLDEN resin tasting of pure black pepper... I miss it... I miss it so much I can cry...
Mad Hamish
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What assholes. They just ruined the Himalayas also. Goodbye Parvati Charas. If ever there was a holy smoke, that was it. Seriously, if I met them in a pub, I would put my 90 kilos of muscle to real proper use and teach little boys a lesson.
abe supercro
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27 May 2014
Colossal peat bog discovered in Congo
By Rebecca MorelleScience correspondent, BBC News
A vast peatland has been discovered in a remote part of Congo-Brazzaville.
The bog covers an area the size of England and is thought to contain billions of tonnes of peat.
Scientists say investigating the carbon-rich material could shed light on 10,000 years of environmental change in this little-studied region.
Dr Simon Lewis, from the University of Leeds, said: "It's remarkable that there are parts of the planet that are still uncharted territory."
He added: "Few people venture into these swamps as they are quite difficult places to move around in and work in."
Satellite images initially hinted at the presence of the enormous tropical peatland, but an expedition, starting from Itanga village in April, confirmed it was there.
The discovery team, from the University of Leeds, the Wildlife Conservation Society-Congo and Congo-Brazzaville's Marien Ngouabi University, had to contend with dwarf crocodiles, gorillas and elephants as they explored the area. But they said the biggest challenge was soggy feet.
"Peatlands, generally, have been a big carbon sink over the past 10,000 years”. Dr Simon LewisUniversity of Leeds
Dr Lewis, who was working with PhD student Greta Dargie, added: "You can only walk on these areas for a couple of months a year, right at the end of the dry season, so you have to time it right. Even then it is still wet every day.
"We were inside the swamp for three weeks, and the only time we had dry feet was when we were asleep in our tents. To place the tent, you have to build a platform because the ground is permanently water-logged."
The team estimates that the bog covers between 100,000 and 200,000 square kilometres (40,000 to 80,000 sq miles), with the peat-layer reaching up to 7m (23ft) beneath the ground. It spreads into the Democratic Republic of Congo.
The researchers believe it holds billions of tonnes of partially decayed vegetation.
"Peatlands are formed because the plant matter going into the soil is not fully decomposed," Dr Lewis explained.
"It requires slow conditions for the decomposition, so you naturally find most peatlands are in the cold zones. It's rare to find them in the wet and warm tropics, so that makes this an unusual discovery."
The team took samples of the Congo peat to bring back to the UK to analyse
Because the area holds so much organic matter it means a large amount of carbon is locked into the ground.
The scientists say analysing this material, which is thousands of years old, will help them to learn more about the Congo Basin's role in the world's past and present climate.
The team had to spend three weeks wading through water to explore the area
Dr Lewis said: "Peatlands, generally, have been a big carbon sink over the past 10,000 years. They have been taking carbon out of the atmosphere and storing it as peat for the long term.
"And what we've found in central Africa is another one of those areas, so it adds a little piece to that jigsaw puzzle of where all the carbon goes in the atmosphere, where the sources are and where the sinks are, particularly in the pre-industrial era.
"So we can reduce our uncertainty around the global carbon cycle before humans started changing it."
The scientists have taken samples of the peat back to the UK to confirm its age and analyse the vegetation that it holds.
While some peat bogs around the world are under threat, particularly from drainage to make way for agriculture, the team thinks the Congo peatland is safe for now.
Dr Lewis said: "Its remoteness naturally provides protection. And much of the area in the Republic of Congo is already a community reserve: it is managed by the Wildlife Conservation Society, the government and the local people. They have a management plan to manage the area and also increase their livelihoods and incomes."
Colossal peat bog discovered in Congo
By Rebecca MorelleScience correspondent, BBC News
A vast peatland has been discovered in a remote part of Congo-Brazzaville.
The bog covers an area the size of England and is thought to contain billions of tonnes of peat.
Scientists say investigating the carbon-rich material could shed light on 10,000 years of environmental change in this little-studied region.
Dr Simon Lewis, from the University of Leeds, said: "It's remarkable that there are parts of the planet that are still uncharted territory."
He added: "Few people venture into these swamps as they are quite difficult places to move around in and work in."
Satellite images initially hinted at the presence of the enormous tropical peatland, but an expedition, starting from Itanga village in April, confirmed it was there.
The discovery team, from the University of Leeds, the Wildlife Conservation Society-Congo and Congo-Brazzaville's Marien Ngouabi University, had to contend with dwarf crocodiles, gorillas and elephants as they explored the area. But they said the biggest challenge was soggy feet.
"Peatlands, generally, have been a big carbon sink over the past 10,000 years”. Dr Simon LewisUniversity of Leeds
Dr Lewis, who was working with PhD student Greta Dargie, added: "You can only walk on these areas for a couple of months a year, right at the end of the dry season, so you have to time it right. Even then it is still wet every day.
"We were inside the swamp for three weeks, and the only time we had dry feet was when we were asleep in our tents. To place the tent, you have to build a platform because the ground is permanently water-logged."
The team estimates that the bog covers between 100,000 and 200,000 square kilometres (40,000 to 80,000 sq miles), with the peat-layer reaching up to 7m (23ft) beneath the ground. It spreads into the Democratic Republic of Congo.
The researchers believe it holds billions of tonnes of partially decayed vegetation.
"Peatlands are formed because the plant matter going into the soil is not fully decomposed," Dr Lewis explained.
"It requires slow conditions for the decomposition, so you naturally find most peatlands are in the cold zones. It's rare to find them in the wet and warm tropics, so that makes this an unusual discovery."
Because the area holds so much organic matter it means a large amount of carbon is locked into the ground.
The scientists say analysing this material, which is thousands of years old, will help them to learn more about the Congo Basin's role in the world's past and present climate.
Dr Lewis said: "Peatlands, generally, have been a big carbon sink over the past 10,000 years. They have been taking carbon out of the atmosphere and storing it as peat for the long term.
"And what we've found in central Africa is another one of those areas, so it adds a little piece to that jigsaw puzzle of where all the carbon goes in the atmosphere, where the sources are and where the sinks are, particularly in the pre-industrial era.
"So we can reduce our uncertainty around the global carbon cycle before humans started changing it."
The scientists have taken samples of the peat back to the UK to confirm its age and analyse the vegetation that it holds.
While some peat bogs around the world are under threat, particularly from drainage to make way for agriculture, the team thinks the Congo peatland is safe for now.
Dr Lewis said: "Its remoteness naturally provides protection. And much of the area in the Republic of Congo is already a community reserve: it is managed by the Wildlife Conservation Society, the government and the local people. They have a management plan to manage the area and also increase their livelihoods and incomes."
radicaldank42
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I make my soil out of coco coir bricks which are 100% organic and I add my own perlite and vermivulite. and add the guano and worm poo as well as alfalfa meal and kelp meal bothj dry
fattiemcnuggins
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n dogg was spot on w the rock dust and homemade castings making the biggest noticable change in bud quality.
buckwheat seemed to help w anynitrogen issues.
even bubbled a few teas this go around
fungus gnats around 4 weeks flower, extra neem meal sent them packing quickly
buckwheat seemed to help w anynitrogen issues.
even bubbled a few teas this go around
fungus gnats around 4 weeks flower, extra neem meal sent them packing quickly
Javadog
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I recycled my garden soil again a month ago, and will be able
to start using the soil soon.
I sifted out the roots and unused parts of harvested plants, and then
ran the lawnmower over these remains until they were fully ground up.
Then I mixed in what was about... but mostly manure, chicken and
steer, with crabshell, soft rock phosphate, feather meal, kelp meal,
and about 10X5 gallon hempys worth of perlite/vermiculite.
I have been spraying it with the hose now and then, and will dig
at it again today. I is pretty much usable now.
Take care,
JD
to start using the soil soon.
I sifted out the roots and unused parts of harvested plants, and then
ran the lawnmower over these remains until they were fully ground up.
Then I mixed in what was about... but mostly manure, chicken and
steer, with crabshell, soft rock phosphate, feather meal, kelp meal,
and about 10X5 gallon hempys worth of perlite/vermiculite.
I have been spraying it with the hose now and then, and will dig
at it again today. I is pretty much usable now.
Take care,
JD
gladstoned
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OMG. Finally ordered a cement mixer. No idea what has taken me so long but my back felt
so much better just clicking the order button.
so much better just clicking the order button.