So, why dont astronauts grow weed?

crazyhazey

Well-Known Member
So i was just ripping my vape and watching this thing on discovery channel when i went off on a random train of thought and it hit me. Why DONT astronauts grow weed or any other plants? Plants produce oxygen(with the exception that there may be some sort of "plant" or fungi that emits small amounts of co2 or something) and work off carbon, what us humans constantly breath out throughout the day. This would make it so there would be no need for oxygen tanks, making the spaceship self reliable as far as air goes. But this kind of made me wonder, would plants grow w/o gravity, if not, would they grow better without it(since this means no downward force, maybe they would grow taller?). Also, most strains of weed can help with nausea, a problem many people experience in space, and on the plus side that toothpaste food would probably be more bearable with the munchies.
If you give me a bong, a grow room and an xbox the trip to mars would seem like a week.

 

Sleet

Active Member
Growing plants of any kind in space presents huge hurdles, and the Russian Space Program has some pretty funny stories about their gardening attempts on their space stations.

Without gravity, for example, water doesn't seep down into the soil and diffuse, wet pockets can form beside dry pockets, and even close proximity to a water pocket doesn't mean that the roots can actually absorb the water. Given sufficient rubles though, attempts were made, and after several mis-steps, they were able to get seeds to geminate, and even produce weird twine-like stems, sprouts and leaves.

One cosmonaut smuggled up a cucumber from his launch day breakfast and laid it in the green house area amongst the dead plant matter there and claimed that it must have grown there when the space station had sat empty between crew rotations.

My favorite story was the space onions. In space, with no gravity, your sinuses never really drain, so your head is constantly stuffed up and you lose your sense of smell and taste. Strongly flavored foods are therefore highly in demand. When an overdue supply vehicle finally docked, the cosmonauts were delighted to discover fresh onions, and devoured them immediately, only to discover later that they were specially modified onions designed to grow in zero G.

So when ground control asked about the status of their special onions, the cosmonauts made up detailed data about their growth and condition for weeks. The scientists on the ground eventually asked if any of the onions showed any signs of flowering, and, sticking to their story, the cosmonauts dutifully reported that one of their imaginary onions was indeed in flower and another showed signs of flowering soon. They were unaware that no plant had ever flowered in space, and only when the ground scientist finished celebrating their dramatic accomplishment and spent the Nobel Prize money in their heads, did the astronauts 'fess up.
 

Tenner

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If you give me a bong, a grow room and an xbox the trip to mars would seem like a week.

If that was possible they wouldn`t have any problems recruiting astronauts :D Imagine the offer "Hey, want to go on a ride to Mars? You get an xbox, free weed and enough pack food for the next 3 years!!" :D
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
The immediate answer to the OP question would be "because they're already way high".

Imagine being on a spacecraft to Mars with all the NASAtiva you could smoke ... and Russian space rations ... :( cn
 

crazyhazey

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Damn, i feel like one of the new guys on here whos too lazy to do some research before starting a thread who i have given a hard time for doing before hahaha. And thanks for the info Sleet, thats a crazy story man. I wonder if hydro would work, but i think the roots might have some sort of complication seeing how theres no gravity, so maybe they wouldnt even know which way is up. I better take this up with mythbusters.

And Tenner, you had me at free weed.
 

JustCoasting

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No dude, roots are made to suck. So gravity has nothing to do with it. Roots just need water and no dirt. Trust me, it's true.
 

crazyhazey

Well-Known Member
No dude, roots are made to suck. So gravity has nothing to do with it. Roots just need water and no dirt. Trust me, it's true.
yeah but where would they send the nutes? i guess it does rely on where its closest to the light, but damn, maybe gravity might come into play somehow. i dont think theres anyway to prove it unless i get a zero g grow room in my house somehow.
 

electronug

Active Member
No dude, roots are made to suck. So gravity has nothing to do with it. Roots just need water and no dirt. Trust me, it's true.
Please, feel free to show your work.

Without gravity plants would have no idea which was was up and you'd never see germination w/o some serious genetic alterations.
 

electronug

Active Member
Wow, I had no idea that method of hydroponics produced an area of zero-gravity within the confines of the growing area.
 

crazyhazey

Well-Known Member
Please, feel free to show your work.

Without gravity plants would have no idea which was was up and you'd never see germination w/o some serious genetic alterations.
Thats my point exactly, but is it gravity that tells a seedling that tells a seedling to pop up or is it wherever it senses light or heat?
 

Tenner

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By the time we go to space, (physically) think about all the supercool drugs we will discover by then? Stoners just smoke weed because its pretty much the best overall drug. When there are others, we will all be hitting that stuff up :D

The human pleasure center pretty much rules the human, if we don`t take that part out we will just keep on heading for MINT things, think about it.

And I`m already in space yo, no need for shuttles :bigjoint:
 

neosapien

Well-Known Member
Astronauts grow all kinds of plants in space. NASA is a big proponent of aeroponics.

Aeroponics in space

[edit] Space plants


NASA life support GAP technology with untreated beans (left tube) and biocontrol treated beans (right tube) returned from the Mir space station aboard the space shuttle – September 1997


Plants were first taken into Earth's orbit in 1960 on two separate missions, Sputnik 4 and Discover 17 (for a review of the first 30 years of plant growth in space, see Halstead and Scott 1990).[SUP][17][/SUP] On the former mission, wheat, pea, maize, spring onion, and Nigella damascena seeds were carried into space, and on the latter mission Chlorella pyrenoidosa cells were brought into orbit.[SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][18][/SUP]
Plant experiments were later performed on a variety of Bangladesh, China, and joint Soviet-American missions, including Biosatellite II, Skylab 3 and 4, Apollo-Soyuz, Sputnik, Vostok, and Zond. Some of the earliest research results showed the effect of low gravity on the orientation of roots and shoots (Halstead and Scott 1990).[SUP][11][/SUP]
Subsequent research went on to investigate the effect of low gravity on plants at the organismic, cellular, and subcellular levels. At the organismic level, for example, a variety of species, including pine, oat, mung bean, lettuce, cress, and Arabidopsis thaliana, showed decreased seedling, root, and shoot growth in low gravity, whereas lettuce grown on Cosmos showed the opposite effect of growth in space (Halstead and Scott 1990). Mineral uptake seems also to be affected in plants grown in space. For example, peas grown in space exhibited increased levels of phosphorus and potassium and decreased levels of the divalent cations calcium, magnesium, manganese, zinc, and iron (Halstead and Scott 1990).[SUP][19][/SUP]
[edit] Biocontrols in space

In 1996, NASA sponsored Stoner’s research for a natural liquid biocontrol, known then as ODC (organic disease control), that activates plants to grow without the need for pesticides as a means to control pathogens in a closed-loop culture system. ODC is derived from natural aquatic materials.[SUP][20][/SUP]
By 1997, Stoner’s biocontrol experiments were conducted by NASA. BioServe Space Technologies’s GAP technology (miniature growth chambers) delivered the ODC solution unto bean seeds. Triplicate ODC experiments were conducted in GAP’s flown to the MIR by the space shuttle; at the Kennedy Space Center; and at Colorado State University (J. Linden). All GAPS were housed in total darkness to eliminate light as an experiment variable. The NASA experiment was to study only the benefits of the biocontrol.[SUP][21][/SUP]
NASA's experiments aboard the MIR space station and shuttle confirmed that ODC elicited increased germination rate, better sprouting, increased growth and natural plant disease mechanisms when applied to beans in an enclosed environment. ODC is now a standard for pesticide-free aeroponic growing and organic farming. Soil and hydroponics growers can benefit by incorporating ODC into their planting techniques. ODC meets USDA NOP standards for organic farms.[SUP][22][/SUP]
[edit] Aeroponics for space and Earth


NASA aeroponic lettuce seed germination. Day 30.


In 1998, Stoner received NASA funding to develop a high performance aeroponic system for earth and space. Stoner demonstrated that a dry bio-mass of lettuce can be significantly increased with aeroponics. NASA utilized numerous aeroponic advancements developed by Stoner.
Abstract: The purpose of the research conducted was to identify and demonstrate technologies for high-performance plant growth in a variety of gravitational environments. A low-gravity environment, for example, poses the problems of effectively bringing water and other nutrients to the plants and effecting recovery of effluents. Food production in the low-gravity environment of space provides further challenges, such as minimization of water use, water handling, and system weight. Food production on planetary bodies such as the Moon or Mars also requires dealing with a hypogravity environment. Because of the impacts to fluid dynamics in these various gravity environments, the nutrient delivery system has been a major focus in plant growth system optimization.
There are a number of methods currently utilized (both in low gravity and on Earth) to deliver nutrients to plants. Substrate dependent methods include traditional soil cultivation, zeoponics, agar, and nutrient-loaded ion exchange resins. In addition to substrate dependent cultivation, many methods using no soil have been developed such as nutrient film technique, ebb and flow, aeroponics, and many other variants. Many hydroponic systems can provide high plant performance but nutrient solution throughput is high, necessitating large water volumes and substantial recycling of solutions, and the control of the solution in hypogravity conditions is difficult at best.
Aeroponics, with its use of a hydro-atomized spray to deliver nutrients, minimizes water use, increases oxygenation of roots, and offers excellent plant growth, while at the same time approaching or bettering the low nutrient solution throughput of other systems developed to operate in low gravity. Aeroponics’ elimination of substrates and the need for large nutrient stockpiles reduces the amount of waste materials to be processed by other life support systems. Furthermore, the absence of substrates simplifies planting and harvesting (providing opportunities for automation), decreases the volume and weight of expendable materials, and eliminates a pathway for pathogen transmission. These many advantages combined with the results of this research that prove the viability of aeroponics in microgravity makes aeroponics a logical choice for efficient food production in space.[SUP][1][/SUP]
[edit] NASA inflatable aeroponics


NASA low-mass Inflatable Aeroponics System (AIS) - achieved 1999


In 1999, Stoner, funded by NASA, developed an inflatable low-mass aeroponic system (AIS) for space and earth for high performance food production.
Abstract: Aeroponics International’s (AI’s) innovation is a self-contained, self-supporting, inflatable aeroponic crop production unit with integral environmental systems for the control and delivery of a nutrient/mist to the roots. This inflatable aeroponic system addresses the needs of subtopic 08.03 Spacecraft Life Support Infrastructure and, in particular, water and nutrient delivery systems technologies for food production. The inflatable nature of our innovation makes it lightweight, allowing it to be deflated so it takes up less volume during transportation and storage. It improves on AI’s current aeroponic system design that uses rigid structures, which use more expensive materials, manufacture processes, and transportation. As a stationary aeroponic system, these existing high-mass units perform very well, but transporting and storing them can be problematic.[SUP][16][/SUP]
On Earth, these problems may hinder the economic feasibility of aeroponics for commercial growers. However, such problems become insurmountable obstacles for using these systems on long-duration space missions because of the high cost of payload volume and mass during launch and transit.[SUP][16][/SUP]
The NASA efforts lead to developments of numerous advanced materials for aeroponics for earth and space.[SUP][16][/SUP]
[edit] Mission to Mars

NASA's long range plans indicate that a human visit to Mars will need to utilize inflatable structures to house the spaceship crew on the Mars surface. Planning is under way[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] to incorporate inflatable greenhouse facilities for food production.
NASA planning scenarios also reveal the Mars surface crew will spend 60% of their time on Mars farming to sustain themselves. Aeroponics is considered the agricultural system of choice because of its low water and power inputs and high volume of food output per unit area.
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