So you noobs are hooked on cannabis specific Bloom foods (aka snakeoil)..... eh?

Your question was silly. I don't endorse nor buy ANY products related to the cannabis industry. It's a big racket. Yes, I have tried quite a few "additives".

jpeg666 said:

I honestly think that Uncle ben tried a lot of brands and snake oils then just completely lost all respect for every company regardless of a legit company that uses modern science to come up with new methods and ways to get nutrients into the plants.

I agree that a lot of it is marketing bullshit, but I also believe that some newer stuff coming out has a bit of science and development behind it. Like feeding your plant actual plant proteins, and hormones that have been pin pointed and extracted from plants with methods they didn't have back in the 70's and 80's

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Lot's of opinions and feelings, that's what the shysters rely on to make sales. People's feelings. Damn, with every crop of noobs (who don't bother using the search feature) the same old pseudo high tech crap comes up.

Want the real skinny on additives, miracle products, non-conventional additives, etc.? Talk to a real guru, one that has experimented and has scientific field studies to back him. I attended one of his seminars on non-conventional additives. He's a professional horticulturist with a doctorate, not a petty hydro salesman. - http://soilcrop.tamu.edu/staff/mcfarland-mark-l/

Here - https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/479798-snake-oil-horticultural-myths-horticultural.html

Page 4 of the article I linked to -

Works on a new principle A prime indicator of snake oil products are that they rely
on a new principle that gives them their efficacy. This “new” principle may be entirely fabricated by the manufacturer
or have a shred of truth based in current science, but the science is so distorted that there is no truth in the
claim. Very often the active ingredient is not listed on the label and is a “secret” or proprietary substance. A clear explanation of the scientific principle, its discoverer,.........

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They have to learn the hard way skefaman.

UB

UB... would you call Hygrozyme "snake oil"?... Used in a coco drain to waste system. Fungus gnats always find there way back in my coco garden. I thought it might help.

Using Dyna Gro 9-3-6 veg and 7-9-5 for flower... i picked up a bottle of dyna grow protekt. It is a silica additive, i guess. Supposedly builds stem strength and protects from fungus, pests and disease. Do you think it is worth replacing the bottle in the future?

I actually purchased "protekt" after i was told that with equal parts protekt and gro, the solution would be at a low 6 ph. (5ml/gal). That time saved not applying down and using a ph meter is well worth $14/qt at 5ml/gal or less, to me. Since that is not actually the case, I would only continue to use if it was really helping.

He's given plenty of links to studies done by people with PHDs. That's not scientific enough?
Or are you just mad that you bought all that shit in your journal, and want UB to be wrong so you can feel better?

jpeg666 said:

To call scientific tests and side by side trials silly wow, I am completely done trying to talk to you as an honest interested person. You have no shred of interest in science and you also refuse to give information to an interested grower.

Shows where you stand. I would put you in the crowd that thinks 99% of pharmaceuticals arre snake oils and refuses to take pills. Goodbye. I am doing mmy own studies we'll see what happens. Cheers stubborn old man

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everytime i see ppl use veg nutes until the end,their shit always looks very leafy,and less frosty,basically the quality looks inferior.
and theres enough sugars stored in the leaves for the plants during the last few weeks.i believe the quality is better when the leaves have yellowed up nicely before harvest.

Capt. Stickyfingers said:

He's given plenty of links to studies done by people with PHDs. That's not scientific enough?
Or are you just mad that you bought all that shit in your journal, and want UB to be wrong so you can feel better?

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phd's in what?cannabis?have they done tests trying ALL the different nutrients on the market?on thousands of cannabis plants to see the difference.
i personally use very few bottled nutrients,and i do believe many of the bottled nutrients are not needed.however,some do what they say on the tin,so to speak.better than anything else you can get.

There are definitely products that work and, more so, products with pretty pictures that cost a ton that don't do shit. Saying that it is 100% one way or the other is just plain ignorant and biased.

here comes another troll. I didn't pay a cent for 98% of what's in my journal if you read. So you can take your dumb remark about making myself feel better elsewhere. I also asked him and he didn't post anything or give any info.

HighlandHenry said:

I actually purchased "protekt" after i was told that with equal parts protekt and gro, the solution would be at a low 6 ph. (5ml/gal). That time saved not applying down and using a ph meter is well worth $14/qt at 5ml/gal or less, to me. Since that is not actually the case, I would only continue to use if it was really helping.

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The 1:1 ratio is dependent on the alkalinity of your water. Find the ratio of protekt:base that works for your water source.

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everytime i see ppl use veg nutes until the end,their shit always looks very leafy,and less frosty,basically the quality looks inferior.
and theres enough sugars stored in the leaves for the plants during the last few weeks.i believe the quality is better when the leaves have yellowed up nicely before harvest.

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Veg nutes until the end ....

resinousflowers said:

everytime i see ppl use veg nutes until the end,their shit always looks very leafy,and less frosty,basically the quality looks inferior.
and theres enough sugars stored in the leaves for the plants during the last few weeks.i believe the quality is better when the leaves have yellowed up nicely before harvest.

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I have been using House and Garden and yes, getting very very sugary buds. Switched to Dyna Gro, veg type nutes. I'll know in about 5 weeks if the quality will be effected or not. As of now, the leaves do look healthier.
I do not doubt Uncle Ben, his experience or his knowledge. But I believe things when I see it. I don't care who you are or how reputable you are. A side by side in front of your own eyes will answer any question you have. Why go looking for the answer any other way?
I also wondered about super leafy buds with higher N lower P feeding. I'll know soon enough... As far as I can see at wk 4 and wk5 flower... it looks no more leafy than it has using Canna or House and Garden nutes. We'll see.
Also testing a half plants fed until final three days. half plants cut feeding for final 2-3 wks (like i have been for a few years). Then comparing taste. I'm rooting for final 3 days to taste just as good and harvest more. Have been doing these plants, the same way, for a while now. If there is a noticeable change in yield, taste, appearance, etc... i'll totally know it and have a few folks to confirm it. No question though, the new nutrient lineup is saving me money. So an equal comparison is a win for dyna.
i've got no skin in the game. I just want more and better buds. if i need an ego boost... i just look in my pants... haha. just playing. seriously though. it's fucking huge... haha, humor, fun. lighten up folks.

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The 1:1 ratio is dependent on the alkalinity of your water. Find the ratio of protekt:base that works for your water source.

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Yep. I got that tip from you. And yes, I didn't pay attention to your details... you said you used r/o water. mine is tap...
5ml/gal of protekt and 5ml/gal grow is coming out to about 7.3. When fed less, higher.

I appreciate the advice too. Both from you and UB. So far, plants are looking great. I have been planning to chart out the savings vs House and Garden nutes. Just out of curiosity.

Probably the thing I like the most about dyna gro vs HnG is that i can mix up dyna gro res in about 5 minutes. HnG, per instructions, takes 45 mins.

I'm not used to having a dark green canopy at this point in flower. It's different.

jpeg666 said:

To call scientific tests and side by side trials silly wow, I am completely done trying to talk to you as an honest interested person.

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I directed you to a pro that has done many scientific tests as well as a link that discusses snake oils based on facts not feelings.

No, I'm not interested in you or your rants.

HighlandHenry I don't use Protek or any other silicon product. See my avatar....it can't read. Don't know a thing about Hygrozyme except it seems to be another high priced rip. If you can find a credible non-partisan review of it that explains its value, then go for it. Maintain sanitary, clean conditions and you shouldn't have pythium problems.

"Sugary buds" is a function of genetics, not additives. Indica's have the most, sativas the least. IMO sativas are the most potent of the two.

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He's given plenty of links to studies done by people with PHDs. That's not scientific enough?
Or are you just mad that you bought all that shit in your journal, and want UB to be wrong so you can feel better?

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This is typical, predictable behavior of a noob and his first grow. Seen it a million times.

HighlandHenry said:

Yep. I got that tip from you. And yes, I didn't pay attention to your details... you said you used r/o water. mine is tap...
5ml/gal of protekt and 5ml/gal grow is coming out to about 7.3. When fed less, higher.

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Protekt is alkaline, their bases are acidic, use less protekt. If 5mls of base is what works for you, maybe 3 or 4mls of protekt puts your pH in the mid-to-low 6's. When you get that ratio down, you can throw away your pH adjusters.

Also Yes my first grow of marijuana but I have been growing plants and veggies for years. Uh derrrr

homebrewer said:

Protekt is alkaline, their bases are acidic, use less protekt. If 5mls of base is what works for you, maybe 3 or 4mls of protekt puts your pH in the mid-to-low 6's. When you get that ratio down, you can throw away your pH adjusters.

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Thanks. I'll continue to play with it. No more ph down and meter would be excellent.

Uncle Ben said:

I'll give you a bit of free advise:

1. Unlearn everything someone told you in a cannabis forum,

2. MG soil is excellent, see #1,

3. What's with the pH meter and RO? See #1,

4. If you can grow a tomato well, then you can grow cannabis. Give it the same treatment and that includes avoiding "cannabis specific" products. I have come to the conclusion that they do more harm than good. A lot of that blame rests squarely on the shoulders of noobs,

5. If you're determined to forgo a good book on indoor plant culture and a good general gardening forum, thinking your best info can be found here, then buy Mel Frank's 'MJ Insiders Growers Guide'. It will be your shortcut to success,

6. The light biz is another racket. Some of my best indoor gardens have been via using HPS exclusively from start to finish. There is plenty of the blue spectrum in HPS lighting to provide excellent growth. Come to think of it, my avatar plant was grown with pure HPS and the main cola was at least 5" across and rock hard solid.

Good luck,
Uncle Ben

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Thank you, I have Ed Rosenthals growers handbook, I use it alot. I am not good a the pics but I to have a pure stativa ughh it is taking forever she is loaded with buds and has been on 12/12 since 7/22 I figure I have another 5ish weeks maybe more. All the pistals are still white and not receding. Patience. thanks for the advice. I do try to take things with a grain of salt.

jpeg666 said:

Dude really? did you read my post?? I didn't pay for thse $400 nutes in the picture I got them at the maximum yield trade show in san fran in cali on vendor day along with several hundred more dollas worth of samples for free. Which is why i am going to be doing experiments and shit cause it was all free....I will at least put it to a good cause If I am getting so called "top of the line" nutes for free.

Also I amj attending the next one on november 3rd and will be getting even more free samples of crazy shit and massive amounts of free nutes among other stuff that I can either prove or debunk.....

I am not ranting I clearly asked you a normal question and you decided to respond as a smart ass then i was nice a second time and yet again.

It almost proves that this forum is full of "know it all" growers that WILL NOT and REFUSE to learn anything from anyone.

Even when I do my tests and fully document it and prove something to work you will probably still refuse to believe it, I hope you are a smart man and actually take scientific experiment and their results seriously.

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I don't care if AN's Big Mike shit it out of his corn hole, wrapped it up in some fancy packaging and gave you a year's worth of his new and improved Mike's Humic Brown Sunshine Nuggets, FREE.

Good luck with your experiment and your results.

UB

Uncle Ben said:

I don't care if AN's Big Mike shit it out of his corn hole, wrapped it up in some fancy packaging and gave you a year's worth of his new and improved Mike's Humic Brown Sunshine Nuggets, FREE.

Good luck with your experiment and your results.

UB

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I horribly despise AN!! I wouldn't shit on one of their products if it was given to me for free.....They are a shady company that doesn't do good on their "100% Money back guarantee" and they Split every single aspect of a fertilizer into 15 different bottles and charge $700+ for the entire line. Noobs eat up AN like candy thinking it is the bees knees.

I will agree with you on that! AN and Big mike can rot in a ditch. All they want is money, they don't care about science or improving methods. They just had a genius marketing idea that pot heads and new pot head growers eat up while AN laughs their way to the bank!

jpeg666 said:

To call scientific tests and side by side trials silly wow, I am completely done trying to talk to you as an honest interested person. You have no shred of interest in science and you also refuse to give information to an interested grower.

Shows where you stand. I would put you in the crowd that thinks 99% of pharmaceuticals arre snake oils and refuses to take pills. Goodbye. I am doing mmy own studies we'll see what happens. Cheers stubborn old man

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Shut up! Your not looking any better anyways. You must hate him because he is doing much better than you to be so petty on his forums. So Childish you are. If you don't like it then just shut up and leave the forum. SIMPLE AS THAT! Sheesh you act like a little bitch.