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choomer

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so obama started the iraq war and is driving us to fiscal insolvency by slashing the deficit by over a trillion.

i'm just waiting for this hack to post the WND article showing obama murdered his gay lover over flatulence now.
I post wikipedia and HuffPo links when I can (and did above) but you will still cherry pick words and string them together and say, "You said this....." because that's the only way you can avoid the obvious fallacies I've pointed out about your previous statements.

I knew what I was getting into when I started posting and what you were about.
It just seems that you wear down opponents w/ your idiocy and the adoration of your lick-spittle sycophants and I believe that anyone ELSE that can read and string together the LINKED EVIDENCE of my claims/refutation of yours will know you for what you are, Mr. 94K.

Do your cheeks get sore (either set) from the coin you pay your fanboi's?

Could it be possible you have a mental "eficit"?
 
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Fogdog

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That's not quite correct as "The Dodd–Frank regulatory reforms were enacted in the U.S. to lessen the chance of a recurrence. " which is silly but the way the gov't works.
Instead of repealing the act that repealed Glass-Steagall which had worked for 60+ years, they make another law to replace it that history will probably prove does not even come close.
I'll start with the ending and move up from there. Dodd-Frank does not prevent banks from owning investment businesses. Quite the opposite, it allows big banks to hold even greater insured deposits with greater ability to abuse them with creative investments. You say it was to replace Glass Steagle but also say it does not. I agree with the second thing you say.
.....and yet.....



Sorry, I assumed you'd research the topics you present as argument. I continue to give you too much credit.
But you're also the person that doubled down on these statements:


....but let's continue.......


What is an eficit? Is an eficit like an altar?
But I understand debt and so does this site here which lists:

1.) Barry Soreto (D) = "The national debt grew the most dollar-wise during President Obama's term. He added $6.494 trillion, a 56% increase, in seven years."
2,) George Shrub (R) = "President Bush added the second greatest amount to the debt, at $5.849 trillion"
3.) FDR (D) = "President Roosevelt increased the debt the most percentage-wise. Although he only added $236 billion, this was more than a 1,000% increase over the $23 billion debt level left by President Hoover's last budget."
4.) Woodrow Wilson (D) = "President Wilson was the second largest contributor to the debt percentage-wise. Although he only added $21 billion, this was a 727% increase over the $3 billion debt level of his predecessor."
...as the top 4 debt contributors.

Dude, even if you weren't around to experience history, it doesn't stop being history, and 3(D) beats 1(R) any day.

Gov't should have absolutely no say in the matter much like dope.

But it's still federally illegal.
Fuck legalization (keeping it under gov't thumb) and adopt decriminalization.
Stacking stupid law on top of stupid law does not a firm structure build.

I've limited it to just the ones w/ "WAR" in the name and color coded it for you:

1.) James Madison (Democratic-Republican) = War of 1812
2.) James K. Polk (D) = Mexican–American War
3.) William McKinley (R) = Spanish–American War
4.) Woodrow Wilson (D) = World War I
5.) Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) = World War II
6.) Harry S. Truman (D) = Korean War
7.) John F. Kennedy (D) , Lyndon B. Johnson (D) , Richard M. Nixon (R) = Vietnam War
8.) George H. W. Bush (R) = Persian Gulf War
9.) Bill Clinton (D) = Bosnian War
10.) George W. Bush (R) Barak Obama (D) = Iraq War
<Barak was added to the Iraq war in the same way Nixon gets credit for (leaving) Vietnam>
Again, history is a bitch-kitty.

THIS proves you right for once, but the "under 5%" is not applicable to JFK, Carter, or Obama.
<Could you link to where you get your numbers or is that like asking you to perform a proctology procedure?>

Yes, the differences between what you think you know, and what history proves to be factual, are many.


Yep, I are 'tarded and you am super-genious type as all your false assumption being proved false by me attest to.

Will this be deemed "TLDR" because it shows you to be the asshat you are?
Bet it does! ;)
I hear a lot of wind but nothing of substance. Mostly about what you are against and mostly just shitting on people for its own sake. What exactly are you for?
 

choomer

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I'll start with the ending and move up from there. Dodd-Frank does not prevent banks from owning investment businesses. Quite the opposite, it allows big banks to hold even greater insured deposits with greater ability to abuse them with creative investments. You say it was to replace Glass Steagle but also say it does not. I agree with the second thing you say.
I didn't, wikipedia did as the link will prove.

Are you color blind and all the extra effort I put into making quoted links look like they do on 99.9% of the other sites on the web has no effect?
Or are you just like Bucky and Paddy?

<HINT: If you just hover the cursor over the text the linked content URL will appear in a pop-up in the lower left hand portion of the window of Firefox.>
I hear a lot of wind but nothing of substance. Mostly about what you are against and mostly just shitting on people for its own sake. What exactly are you for?
Perhaps that's the problem. Reading trumps hearing where written content is the media.
I would never deign to think that I could unseat Bucky from his self appointed throne of "shitting on people for its own sake", but what am I for?

I am for not letting pontificating assholes extrapolate anything that their favorite website says as a vindication of their life path and how it should be everyone's.

I am for re-instating the FCC broadcasting rule that ALL candidates from any party for any office get equal time on the airwaves because information is paramount to good election selection processes.

I am for stopping the selective battery of the Bill of Rights that were expressly written with the aim that "all men should hold these truths to be self evident" and the only gov't role should be making sure everyone knows that it has no claim to those creator given rights.

I am for no one (Cheney, Clinton, Corzine, etc.) being above the law or unaffected by the laws they pass through writing that in the bill.

What are you for?
 
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UncleBuck

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I post wikipedia and HuffPo links when I can (and did above) but you will still cherry pick words and string them together and say, "You said this....." because that's the only way you can avoid the obvious fallacies I've pointed out about your previous statements.

I knew what I was getting into when I started posting and what you were about.
It just seems that you wear down opponents w/ your idiocy and the adoration of your lick-spittle sycophants and I believe that anyone ELSE that can read and string together the LINKED EVIDENCE of my claims/refutation of yours will know you for what you are, Mr. 94K.

Do your cheeks get sore (either set) from the coin you pay your fanboi's?

Could it be possible you have a mental "eficit"?
you linked evidence showing obama started the iraq war and is leading us into fiscal insolvency by slashing the deficit?
 

Padawanbater2

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Why not? I took yours previously here:

How would pointing out I don't grow but still discuss politics on RIU be considered "pwnage"? Are you of the opinion that this site is only for people who grow?
But now your have "photo proof" those are "your grows" and it proves that you grow, or that you lie about not growing when convenient.
Catch22, Yosarian.
Either way you're a lying hypocrite like Bucky.
Or it proves that I've grown in the past and currently do not grow, genius..
The reps aren't trumpeting their superiority, dems are.
I've laid out plenty of examples that I don't think either of them has our best interests @ heart, but you being a dem devotee think they can do no wrong.

See the post to Bucky above about how well history allows that assumption to work.
You just did the same thing @NLXSK1 did earlier, strawman my actual position;
I criticize the government on here all the time, and not just the right, either. You're trying to strawman my actual position - that as bad as government is, it's necessary and we should work to improve it to equating that with "I love the government".
I view the government as a necessary entity to ensure the protection of things like individual rights and personal property. There are dozens of threads on why the alternative is much worse in this section, go read some of them. The problems with our current government stem from the way political campaigns are financed. It ensures those with the most money have the largest voice about what policies get approved or denied. Generally speaking, those with the most money in our society tend to be corporate leaders, so what gets approved largely benefits them, more often than not, at the expense of the American people. This is the way corruption works in America, it's right out in the open, completely verifiable, and 100% legal. That is the problem.

Now you can sit here and point out all the negative aspects of government, many of which I would probably agree with, but to say that and ignore all the achievements in technology, science and medicine, not to mention the advancement to individual rights directly attributable to our founding documents and the amendments and the protections of them since is outright stupidity.

We need publicly financed elections where politicians get elected based on the merits of their positions, not on how much money they can gather from rich donors to do their bidding. 5 states down, 29 to go.
 

Fogdog

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I didn't, wikipedia did as the link will prove.

Are you color blind and all the extra effort I put into making quoted links look like they do on 99.9% of the other sites on the web has no effect?
Or are you just like Bucky and Paddy?

<HINT: If you just hover the cursor over the text the linked content URL will appear in a pop-up in the lower left hand portion of the window of Firefox.>


Perhaps that's the problem. Reading trumps hearing where written content is the media.
I would never deign to think that I could unseat Bucky from his self appointed throne of "shitting on people for its own sake", but what am I for?

I am for not letting pontificating assholes extrapolate anything that their favorite website says as a vindication of their life path and how it should be everyone's.

I am for re-instating the FCC broadcasting rule that ALL candidates from any party for any office get equal time on the airwaves because information is paramount to good election selection processes.

I am for stopping the selective battary of the Bill of Rights that were expressly written with the aim that "all men should hold these truths to be self eveident" and the only gov't role should be making sure everyone knows that it has no claim to those creator given rights.

I am for no one (Cheney, Clinton, Corzine, etc.) being above the law or unaffected by the laws they pass through writing that in the bill.

What are you for?
I'm for pragmatic government that follows the whole constitution and supreme court decisions, not just the bits and pieces right wingers so often quote. I'm for campaign finance reform, open and honest elections. I'm for voters putting people into office that will represent them and then letting them do the work. I'm for ending the war on drugs. I'm for self defense that is truly defense. I'm for stricter environmental regulations that drive this economy to sustainable sources of energy. I'm for respect of everybody. I'm for better educational systems and probably greater subsidies for undergraduate college education. Lot's more stuff. But very definitely I'm for the separation of church and state, basically secular government.

You are quoting the declaration of independence instead of the constitution or bill of rights, by the way. Also, I have no belief in "creator given rights". People can and should follow their own moral compasses but keep religion out of government's laws.
 

Fogdog

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you linked evidence showing obama started the iraq war and is leading us into fiscal insolvency by slashing the deficit?
He doesn't keep track of the shit he says. Most times, when I've owned him he comes back and says he said something when he didn't. You say he's a mudder? Hard work and I respect that but nobody hired him for his brains.
 

NLXSK1

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I criticize the government on here all the time, and not just the right, either. You're trying to strawman my actual position - that as bad as government is, it's necessary and we should work to improve it (like reforming campaign finance, a position that you consistently argue against) to equating that with "I love the government". Or reforming health care to single payer, or legalizing drugs and ending the drug war, or eliminating the private, for profit prison industry, or adopting universal education, or raising the minimum wage, and dozens of other examples over the years. The only time I've seen you voice opposition to Bush's wars was after they were already widely unpopular (2010), so I'll give you half credit for that. I haven't seen you criticize the GOP congress for obstructing Obama's SC nomination, whereas I'd bet a months wages you would if party affiliation were reversed. Nothing about right wing terrorism in America yet constant condemnation of Muslims and Islam when they commit terrorism.. Defense of cops like Zimmerman at every opportunity, defense of retards like Kim Davis for denying equal rights to Americans, I mean, the list of examples of you siding with or supporting right wing policies and rhetoric and condemning the left for virtually anything they do is endless, so whether you want to admit it to yourself or not, your actions prove it.
I am not trying to strawman your position because I dont question what you believe.

You constantly tell me incorrectly what I believe.

I am a conservative libertarian, there is not much that the Democrat party offers me.

Do me a favor and stop telling me what I think and believe, thanks!!
 

Padawanbater2

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I am not trying to strawman your position because I dont question what you believe.

You constantly tell me incorrectly what I believe.

I am a conservative libertarian, there is not much that the Democrat party offers me.

Do me a favor and stop telling me what I think and believe, thanks!!
Cops are bad but cops in really nice suits (the government) are good... Very confusing to follow their contorted logic.
Show me where I claim the government is "good". You're making inaccurate claims about my beliefs
 

NLXSK1

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Show me where I claim the government is "good". You're making inaccurate claims about my beliefs
Global warming? Welfare? Government Regulation?

By the way... AS I WAS DRIVING TO WORK yesterday I was still wondering how you can be so completely blind to my positions after reading them for so long.

How do I feel about the debt and the deficit? You do know who is in charge of that right now right? Republicans.... I KNOW!!! I dont give a fuck, I still want smaller government...

So, how am I partisan again? I have been demanding the government stop overspending for 30 years now...
 

choomer

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How would pointing out I don't grow but still discuss politics on RIU be considered "pwnage"? Are you of the opinion that this site is only for people who grow?
I pointed out that you and Bucky don't pay taxes on your illegal grows (because if they were legal you'd be paying tax, correct?

How do you justify obviously being against the criminilization of pot by breaking the law, yet support the law when it comes to taxation and yet not pay what you owe for your grow?
Would you look at the historical evidence that grow/use of pot being criminized was 1st introduced as a TAX (Marihuana Tax Act of 1937 - The bill originated in the Harrison Narcotic Act of 1914, but that law didn’t actually ban marijuana outright).
Hypocrite much?
Or it proves that I've grown in the past and currently do not grow, genius..
I have "your photo" positive proof of "your trees" for that, eh? Like Babaloo posting a picture of a (perhaps his) hand in proof of his large penis size?
You just did the same thing @NLXSK1 did earlier, strawman my actual position;
Eh, I strawman'd your actual position?
Well it could be convenient for you to see it that way as you then do not have to prove the validity of your argument since it's refutation is a “strawman” argument.
That you'd say that with the mountain of evidence IN THIS THREAD of the side supporting your OP using that same tactic in re Bucky's and Babaloo's penis size worship is indeed rich.
I view the government as a necessary entity to ensure the protection of things like individual rights and personal property.
You mean individual rights like the right to ingest something and personal property like money?
They're doing SUCH a good job of that recently, correct?
Remember that the environment that fomented the revolutionary war was started by the Stamp and Sugar Acts and actually became a war due to the The Townshend Acts.
The foundations of the country you live in are built on the repudiating of unfairly unrepresented taxation and yet you castigate me for having the same view as the founding fathers?
Hypocrite much, yet again.
There are dozens of threads on why the alternative is much worse in this section, go read some of them.
I at least link to supporting evidence and opinion of my views, but you don't read them.
Yet you think you can direct me to your bidding and that I'm to read the source you pose where the use the deceit and invective the “frequent flyers” of the Political section here evince daily (if not hourly ;) ) as my basis for my education?
I prefer more enlightening and educational resources for my research than “you have a tiny dick” and unsupported hyperbole.
The problems with our current government stem from the way political campaigns are financed. It ensures those with the most money have the largest voice about what policies get approved or denied. Generally speaking, those with the most money in our society tend to be corporate leaders, so what gets approved largely benefits them, more often than not, at the expense of the American people. This is the way corruption works in America, it's right out in the open, completely verifiable, and 100% legal. That is the problem.
In this we can almost agree, but that I should ignore legislation doing the same such as:

1.)The ACA benefiting the insurance industry (which is codified in law) and what a worthless effort that is to “save” the American citizen from incredible health costs when it has meant only higher deductibles and premiums since its enactment and how of 13 Of 23 Co-Ops Created Under Obamacare Have Failed
2.) The sale of the publics airwaves to private corporations so they can disseminate propaganda (which is codified in law) which benefits their positions and the legislation that supports them
3.)The quasi-legal spying on just about every aspect of life that originated in business EULA's and has been proven to be MUCH more draconian when federal oversight of all electronic communication and its storage in Utah comes into view (which is presently in contradiction of codified law)
because it calls into question ability of gov't to administer public election contribution and make sure it's equitable applied is laughable to say the least.
Now you can sit here and point out all the negative aspects of government, many of which I would probably agree with, but to say that and ignore all the achievements in technology, science and medicine, not to mention the advancement to individual rights directly attributable to our founding documents and the amendments and the protections of them since is outright stupidity.
Wow. That there is SUCH a stretch trying to negate the salient points I provide.
When have I ever equated the advancements of science (since the other 2 mentioned are known as sciences) are as false as the advancements of gov't “benefit” and what exactly are those purported advancements to those individual rights our fore fathers defined for us again?
Trot out your examples of me doing that please as I don't quite recollect any.
Although, to prove your point that I do support the pronouncement that any authority (even science) should be questioned:
1.) Man was not meant to fly.
2.) Fire is a good enough source of energy.
2.) You and I being taught that civilization started in Mesopotamian and Egyptian periods when a recent discovery of Göbekli Tepe refutes that by being 10th – 8th millennium BCE, meaning that it's construction was happening during the wane of the last ice age when man was not supposed to be able to wield more than an antelope thigh bone as a tool.
Just for 3 examples how humanity would not have progressed scientifically unless people decided to question the status quo.
BTW, strawman much?
We need publicly financed elections where politicians get elected based on the merits of their positions, not on how much money they can gather from rich donors to do their bidding. 5 states down, 29 to go.
Hmmmm, publicly funded through tax?
The information about ALL candidates and their policies should not be throttled by the MSM limiting my opportunity to make a fully informed decision in my election choice, which might presently be happening IF the airwaves were still the domain of the public, but the gov't sold them.
Them 5 states are working towards that end, or are they just making up another “feel good” story to justify even more taxation?
Sounds a bit like the tele-pandering call I just got for supporting homeless vets that was shortened greatly by my asking about the administrative/donation ratio (85/15) and pointing out that the entire reason for them to be calling me is that the taxes I pay that are supposed to ensure the benefits of veterans do not achieve that end and the pandering might serve a better end in holding the gov't to uphold their professed responsibility for veterans.
But with 85% “administrative” costs and 15% of the donated money actually being used for veterans it seems this “charitable” concern learned how to do things from gov't.
Been to a VA hospital recently to see how well your taxation is supporting veterans?
But damn if those taxes aren't ever increasing for arming those future veterans of today.
 

NLXSK1

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The way we are treating our veterans is an embarassment and years have gone by with no improvements. I am ashamed of that...
 

choomer

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<snip>
You are quoting the declaration of independence instead of the constitution or bill of rights, by the way. Also, I have no belief in "creator given rights". People can and should follow their own moral compasses but keep religion out of government's laws.
I know that, that's why the amendments are called amendments.
They amend the originating document whose starting phrase I quoted and if they didn't they would be called something else.

That you want to sideline my argument into religion when I don't mention that at all is indicative of your reasoning ability.
If you ascribe to the big bang theory, it starts w/ matter being compacted so densely that it spontaneously explodes.
But where did that matter come from? Does science know that yet?
Until it does, I will not deify religion nor science, but will hold dear the Constitution and Bill of Rights even with it's non-denominational, although quasi-religious, reference to a creator.

Whether random chance or deity through evolution or fiat application it still does not negate the fact the species was created.

Now I have to clean house for upcoming company celebrating the hollow sham the 4th has become. ;)
 

Fogdog

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I know that, that's why the amendments are called amendments.
They amend the originating document whose starting phrase I quoted and if they didn't they would be called something else.

That you want to sideline my argument into religion when I don't mention that at all is indicative of your reasoning ability.
If you ascribe to the big bang theory, it starts w/ matter being compacted so densely that it spontaneously explodes.
But where did that matter come from? Does science know that yet?
Until it does, I will not deify religion nor science, but will hold dear the Constitution and Bill of Rights even with it's non-denominational, although quasi-religious, reference to a creator.

Whether random chance or deity through evolution or fiat application it still does not negate the fact the species was created.

Now I have to clean house for upcoming company celebrating the hollow sham the 4th has become. ;)
You make no arguments other than to argue. Your writing is muddled. Probably because that's the way you think.

It was pretty funny when you quoted the Declaration of Independence as part of the Constitution. It's mean of me to laugh at retards, but I do.
 
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