SOG growers wanted !!!
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paperfetti
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i water for 30 min every hr...should i tone it down?,like 4 xs a day for 30 min?
paperfetti
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i was thinking bout my op,and was wondering how many mothers will i need to maintain in order to achieve 15 girls going in every 2 weeks from 3 diff strains?
ANOTHER THING: what are some of you guys ways or methods you use to tell when its time for ya plants to come down??..i use a magnifier,but people say you really dont need to do that persay..when your plants are done..they look done...but is there something specific you look for in your plants when "eyeballing" them for harvest??
ANOTHER THING: what are some of you guys ways or methods you use to tell when its time for ya plants to come down??..i use a magnifier,but people say you really dont need to do that persay..when your plants are done..they look done...but is there something specific you look for in your plants when "eyeballing" them for harvest??
paperfetti
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oh i almost forgot..my water comes up 1/4 of the way up the side of the pots..is this ok or should it reach higher say half way up the side??
ohhh yeeahh!!..is there anything i can do with these crystaly bud sites i cut during week 1 & 3??..like hash or something
ohhh yeeahh!!..is there anything i can do with these crystaly bud sites i cut during week 1 & 3??..like hash or something
Return of the Spork
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In 2 weeks my mother is *almost* ready to give another set of clones. Under the 400W MH it wasn't a problem. Under the T-5 it is slower but not much. The 400W was nice, but overall this is not too much over 100W, and it is producing nicely.
I have both a radio shack 60-100x microscope, and a USB microscope. I am honestly not very happy with either, but with enough work at it you can determine what your trichomes look like.
The general rule of thumb is that you harvest earlier for head high, later for body high. Certain strains have specific windows for certain reasons, but in general if in doubt, give it another week.
Go down to the Harvesting/Curing part and look at fdd's how to post. I think he has pics of what they look like, there is a relatively noticeable difference by eyeballing it.
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My water comes up half to a bit more than half on my pots
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I throw mine in the trim bag to be buttered
paperfetti
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Return of the Spork
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I will just throw down some info on what I have found with my setup and maybe you can apply it because it will really depend on the lighting and how you prune them.
I run 1 tray of 9 plants every 2 weeks. I try to keep the entire tray one strain. I cut at least 12 clones, more if they are going to be mothers. Even though its like 100% root, some do end up looking better than others so I like the choice. In order to take 12 clones, it takes either 1 full grown mother or 2 immature mothers.
It is hard to classify a FGM in terms of age. In my setup FGM takes about a month from planting it from a clone. but you know it when you see it. It is a mother that is producing multiple 6-8+ full size clones without issue.
Immature mothers I consider to be the ones that can produce 4-8ish decent clones, but they are thin stems and not very robust. These are mothers that have been in veg for at least 2ish weeks after planting from clone.
Anything younger than that can produce a viable clone, but they would be Gypsy style and not what you would want for your setup.
So if I had to venture a guess, I would say at minimum you would want 6 mothers, 2 for each strain, but mature. Then on a regular basis, you would be taking clones off the mother to replace itself when it grows big enough, so allow room for that as well.
If I am not using a strain for a while, I just keep a bonsai mother. Then since I have time to prepare, I then clone it "mother style" (basically not cutting off the lower growth). After it roots I "top" or "fim" it. This encourages much beefier growth in the nodes. After a week or so they grow out nicely with their "split". If needed I do it again. From that point I just let them grow and watch them. If they start to grow in ways I don't want, I fix it. Then when it is time to clone them I have clones, shaped the way I want, as big as I want. If I want to use the plant for a while I will cut it a certain way, otherwise I just clone the whole thing to death and repeat as needed.
With strains I use often, I just keep 2 mothers, and ensure that when you cut a clone that you leave at least 1-2 nodes below it to beef up and become new clones later on.
With strains I don't use often, I just keep 1 mother.
It is a bit easier when you just have one strain and 1-2 mothers, lol. I overcomplicate it just because I like variety but don't exactly have 4 - 2x4 trays. bastards =)
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Chances are, you would only need 1 mother per if you let the mothers get big enough. So if you have the room for larger mothers and have decent lighting for em. 1 each is fine. Just make sure you find out how much they grow in 2 weeks so you can make sure you are leaving enough half grown clones on the mother for next pass, and just keep going. I just don't like using up lots of space since I need to fit lots of strains. I have noticed doing things on a smaller or stealthier scale sure makes things a lot harder than they really are.
I run 1 tray of 9 plants every 2 weeks. I try to keep the entire tray one strain. I cut at least 12 clones, more if they are going to be mothers. Even though its like 100% root, some do end up looking better than others so I like the choice. In order to take 12 clones, it takes either 1 full grown mother or 2 immature mothers.
It is hard to classify a FGM in terms of age. In my setup FGM takes about a month from planting it from a clone. but you know it when you see it. It is a mother that is producing multiple 6-8+ full size clones without issue.
Immature mothers I consider to be the ones that can produce 4-8ish decent clones, but they are thin stems and not very robust. These are mothers that have been in veg for at least 2ish weeks after planting from clone.
Anything younger than that can produce a viable clone, but they would be Gypsy style and not what you would want for your setup.
So if I had to venture a guess, I would say at minimum you would want 6 mothers, 2 for each strain, but mature. Then on a regular basis, you would be taking clones off the mother to replace itself when it grows big enough, so allow room for that as well.
If I am not using a strain for a while, I just keep a bonsai mother. Then since I have time to prepare, I then clone it "mother style" (basically not cutting off the lower growth). After it roots I "top" or "fim" it. This encourages much beefier growth in the nodes. After a week or so they grow out nicely with their "split". If needed I do it again. From that point I just let them grow and watch them. If they start to grow in ways I don't want, I fix it. Then when it is time to clone them I have clones, shaped the way I want, as big as I want. If I want to use the plant for a while I will cut it a certain way, otherwise I just clone the whole thing to death and repeat as needed.
With strains I use often, I just keep 2 mothers, and ensure that when you cut a clone that you leave at least 1-2 nodes below it to beef up and become new clones later on.
With strains I don't use often, I just keep 1 mother.
It is a bit easier when you just have one strain and 1-2 mothers, lol. I overcomplicate it just because I like variety but don't exactly have 4 - 2x4 trays. bastards =)
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Chances are, you would only need 1 mother per if you let the mothers get big enough. So if you have the room for larger mothers and have decent lighting for em. 1 each is fine. Just make sure you find out how much they grow in 2 weeks so you can make sure you are leaving enough half grown clones on the mother for next pass, and just keep going. I just don't like using up lots of space since I need to fit lots of strains. I have noticed doing things on a smaller or stealthier scale sure makes things a lot harder than they really are.
paperfetti
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i was wondering if anybody was familiar with this product?..its called bushmaster from humbolt..ive seen people who have used it in hydro on here but not sog..it is to stop vertical growth,so instead of 6 weeks of flowering in ya typical 8 weeks cycle..it will start bud production within that 1st week!!..i will do this on my next set of beans which will be 100 % sativa...i was thinking maybe foliar feeding would be ideal for sog using this product..any input??
Return of the Spork
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I haven't heard of it, but I was planning on trying Bud Blood / Big Bud / Overdrive stack once I get my non nute related variables optimized. Bud blood is supposed to do the same thing as far as kicking off bud production. No idea how well it works though, bound to be similar?
paperfetti
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thanx spork + rep
10mm fan boy
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My veg. room is just shy of 4' so I can't fit a proper tray in that room. I am stuck with my 1.5'x2' and I am hoping to to get enough cuttings for a 2x4 tray.
Once It all gets growing I want to get another 2x4, so I will need something better. If anyone has any ideas please let me know. I am thinking along the lines of two 1x3 trays like these (eta with hydroton in pots)
http://www.hydroempire.com/store/product_info.php/products_id/966
too bad I can't make it work with my two big ass mothers in waterfarm buckets.
These are the ones that started growing thin branches when I started taking 10 clones each.
Once It all gets growing I want to get another 2x4, so I will need something better. If anyone has any ideas please let me know. I am thinking along the lines of two 1x3 trays like these (eta with hydroton in pots)
http://www.hydroempire.com/store/product_info.php/products_id/966
too bad I can't make it work with my two big ass mothers in waterfarm buckets.
These are the ones that started growing thin branches when I started taking 10 clones each.
10mm fan boy
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Also I am having trouble getting my Mg def. under control. AK47 is known for needing a lot of mg.
I am up to 4 tsp./g of Cal Mag Plus. I even have to dilute my other nutes just to get this much CMP.
I have only harvested 4 so far on my first run and about half the leaves were covered in rust spots and all leaves were pointed upward "praying for Mg"
I am up to 4 tsp./g of Cal Mag Plus. I even have to dilute my other nutes just to get this much CMP.
I have only harvested 4 so far on my first run and about half the leaves were covered in rust spots and all leaves were pointed upward "praying for Mg"
paperfetti
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dirtysteve
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Hey everyone. So this looks like the place for me. Just have a couple of quick questions for you all. First here is a run down of my plan.
I have been lurking on RIU for about a year now. Doing my homework so to speak. I am in the design and build stage of my grow room right now. I have a pretty solid background in construction with some electrical experience as well. These skills have certainly helped me in this venture. So now let me tell you about my room.
I created a "secret" room from a couple of unused closets. The only way in or out of the room is through a secret door in the back of a closet. Security is priority number one. The room is roughly 5' x 6' x 8'. I have access to water in the room and plan on installing a small bar sink with drain. That will make things exponentially easier. So far I have the electrics installed. I added a 50A circuit dedicated to the room. I built a sub-panel with 1 20A circuit (2 outlet) for lights and 2 15A circuits (4 outlets each) for pumps, fans and misc.
The plan is to set up a perpetual ebb and flow SOG modeled after the great Al B. Fuct. I will have a 1'x3' tray for mothers under a 400w HPS. The flower chamber will be 2 2'x3' trays under a 600w or 1000w (still debating) hps. This should allow me to run 20-23 plants per flowering tray. With two trays I will be harvesting and feeding new clones in roughly every month. I plan on keeping 8-10 mothers, maybe multiple strains.
The room will have a passive filtered intake and be exhausted by an 8" 565 cfm can fan. I haven't decided on a carbon filter or ozone for odor control yet. Any suggestions are welcome. There will be a dedicated roof vent for the exhaust. The lights will be on a separate cooling system. The light system will utilize a 6" axial blower sucking air from the house and exhausting through the bathroom vent. I have to get air from inside the house because where I am summers are sweltering and wouldn't make a dent in the light heat.
Humidity is most likely going to be a problem as well. I plan on running the entire system for a week (or longer) to work out the kinks before even cracking a bean.
All walls are insulated as well as the ceiling. I will be painting the walls and ceiling with white roof paint. The paint is 97% reflective and about $20 a gallon. A bit cheaper than b/w poly or mylar and easy to scrub clean. The paint will also help seal the ceiling from any air leaks. The attic air is hotter than Hades in the summer. I will use b/w poly to make the doors and separate the mothers from the flowers.
I will probably be starting a thread in the "Design and Setup" forum and I will post some pics there.
Well I suppose that is about it for now.
My questions are:
1. For a 4'x3' flowering area should I go with a 600w or 1000w HPS? The price difference is neglegable. I am a huge fan of the big dense nugs so I am leaning towards the 1KW. It will be air cooled so I don't think heat will be too much of an issue.
2. Should I go with a carbon filter or build a dead space in my exhaust line and toss in an ozone generator. Again the price difference is neglegable until you look at the fact that a carbon filter needs replacing. I am just not too sure about the use of the ozone.
Thanks for reading
Happy farming, DS
I have been lurking on RIU for about a year now. Doing my homework so to speak. I am in the design and build stage of my grow room right now. I have a pretty solid background in construction with some electrical experience as well. These skills have certainly helped me in this venture. So now let me tell you about my room.
I created a "secret" room from a couple of unused closets. The only way in or out of the room is through a secret door in the back of a closet. Security is priority number one. The room is roughly 5' x 6' x 8'. I have access to water in the room and plan on installing a small bar sink with drain. That will make things exponentially easier. So far I have the electrics installed. I added a 50A circuit dedicated to the room. I built a sub-panel with 1 20A circuit (2 outlet) for lights and 2 15A circuits (4 outlets each) for pumps, fans and misc.
The plan is to set up a perpetual ebb and flow SOG modeled after the great Al B. Fuct. I will have a 1'x3' tray for mothers under a 400w HPS. The flower chamber will be 2 2'x3' trays under a 600w or 1000w (still debating) hps. This should allow me to run 20-23 plants per flowering tray. With two trays I will be harvesting and feeding new clones in roughly every month. I plan on keeping 8-10 mothers, maybe multiple strains.
The room will have a passive filtered intake and be exhausted by an 8" 565 cfm can fan. I haven't decided on a carbon filter or ozone for odor control yet. Any suggestions are welcome. There will be a dedicated roof vent for the exhaust. The lights will be on a separate cooling system. The light system will utilize a 6" axial blower sucking air from the house and exhausting through the bathroom vent. I have to get air from inside the house because where I am summers are sweltering and wouldn't make a dent in the light heat.
Humidity is most likely going to be a problem as well. I plan on running the entire system for a week (or longer) to work out the kinks before even cracking a bean.
All walls are insulated as well as the ceiling. I will be painting the walls and ceiling with white roof paint. The paint is 97% reflective and about $20 a gallon. A bit cheaper than b/w poly or mylar and easy to scrub clean. The paint will also help seal the ceiling from any air leaks. The attic air is hotter than Hades in the summer. I will use b/w poly to make the doors and separate the mothers from the flowers.
I will probably be starting a thread in the "Design and Setup" forum and I will post some pics there.
Well I suppose that is about it for now.
My questions are:
1. For a 4'x3' flowering area should I go with a 600w or 1000w HPS? The price difference is neglegable. I am a huge fan of the big dense nugs so I am leaning towards the 1KW. It will be air cooled so I don't think heat will be too much of an issue.
2. Should I go with a carbon filter or build a dead space in my exhaust line and toss in an ozone generator. Again the price difference is neglegable until you look at the fact that a carbon filter needs replacing. I am just not too sure about the use of the ozone.
Thanks for reading
Happy farming, DS
livesoul
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Question 1: Go with a 1000watt, the 600watt won't do it for you.
As for question two someone else might be better suited to handle that. You setup a room pretty similar to mine. Mine is 4.5x10x8. The only thing i noticed was that you mentioned having something like 10 strains and you said the mother tray was 1x3. I don't think you'll be able to manage fitting 10 in there. I have a 2x3 and 6 mothers properly trimmed seems to be max.
One last thing. a MH would be better for your mothers than the HPS. It blue spectrum promotes bushier growth, so you'll have more clones available. Not sure if you already bought it but if not then go with that. It will still be fine. Make sure you read up on "topping". Necessary skill for making your mothers good for cloning. But with 10 mothers and the amount of clones you'll need you should be totally fine. Keep in mine with different strains the different flowering periods. You don't want to mess up your perpetual cycle with different flowering timeframes.
As for question two someone else might be better suited to handle that. You setup a room pretty similar to mine. Mine is 4.5x10x8. The only thing i noticed was that you mentioned having something like 10 strains and you said the mother tray was 1x3. I don't think you'll be able to manage fitting 10 in there. I have a 2x3 and 6 mothers properly trimmed seems to be max.
One last thing. a MH would be better for your mothers than the HPS. It blue spectrum promotes bushier growth, so you'll have more clones available. Not sure if you already bought it but if not then go with that. It will still be fine. Make sure you read up on "topping". Necessary skill for making your mothers good for cloning. But with 10 mothers and the amount of clones you'll need you should be totally fine. Keep in mine with different strains the different flowering periods. You don't want to mess up your perpetual cycle with different flowering timeframes.
doogleef
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Welcome to RIU!Hey everyone. So this looks like the place for me. Just have a couple of quick questions for you all. First here is a run down of my plan.
I have been lurking on RIU for about a year now. Doing my homework so to speak. I am in the design and build stage of my grow room right now. I have a pretty solid background in construction with some electrical experience as well. These skills have certainly helped me in this venture. So now let me tell you about my room.
I created a "secret" room from a couple of unused closets. The only way in or out of the room is through a secret door in the back of a closet. Security is priority number one. The room is roughly 5' x 6' x 8'. I have access to water in the room and plan on installing a small bar sink with drain. That will make things exponentially easier. So far I have the electrics installed. I added a 50A circuit dedicated to the room. I built a sub-panel with 1 20A circuit (2 outlet) for lights and 2 15A circuits (4 outlets each) for pumps, fans and misc.
The plan is to set up a perpetual ebb and flow SOG modeled after the great Al B. Fuct. I will have a 1'x3' tray for mothers under a 400w HPS. The flower chamber will be 2 2'x3' trays under a 600w or 1000w (still debating) hps. This should allow me to run 20-23 plants per flowering tray. With two trays I will be harvesting and feeding new clones in roughly every month. I plan on keeping 8-10 mothers, maybe multiple strains.
The room will have a passive filtered intake and be exhausted by an 8" 565 cfm can fan. I haven't decided on a carbon filter or ozone for odor control yet. Any suggestions are welcome. There will be a dedicated roof vent for the exhaust. The lights will be on a separate cooling system. The light system will utilize a 6" axial blower sucking air from the house and exhausting through the bathroom vent. I have to get air from inside the house because where I am summers are sweltering and wouldn't make a dent in the light heat.
Humidity is most likely going to be a problem as well. I plan on running the entire system for a week (or longer) to work out the kinks before even cracking a bean.
All walls are insulated as well as the ceiling. I will be painting the walls and ceiling with white roof paint. The paint is 97% reflective and about $20 a gallon. A bit cheaper than b/w poly or mylar and easy to scrub clean. The paint will also help seal the ceiling from any air leaks. The attic air is hotter than Hades in the summer. I will use b/w poly to make the doors and separate the mothers from the flowers.
I will probably be starting a thread in the "Design and Setup" forum and I will post some pics there.
Well I suppose that is about it for now.
My questions are:
1. For a 4'x3' flowering area should I go with a 600w or 1000w HPS? The price difference is neglegable. I am a huge fan of the big dense nugs so I am leaning towards the 1KW. It will be air cooled so I don't think heat will be too much of an issue.
2. Should I go with a carbon filter or build a dead space in my exhaust line and toss in an ozone generator. Again the price difference is neglegable until you look at the fact that a carbon filter needs replacing. I am just not too sure about the use of the ozone.
Thanks for reading
You are in the right place for SOG. No doubt. I see you are well on your way to a kick ass grow op. Nice. I bet you are exited.
Couple of pointers:
1. Go with the 1000. No doubt.
2. Carbon scrubbers work great. I can;t speak to o3 gens as i do not use one but I feel very comfy recommending a scrubber to any security minded grower.
My points:
A 400W HPS for moms will produce 3 or 4 times the amount of growth you will need. A 250 would be plenty even for Al's setup which was exactly twice this size.
10 moms is probably overkill too. Unless you really want to run multiple strains. If you do I would recommend doing whole trays so growth rates are even. Pick a strain and run it for awhile. Then add another or switch if you want. You will run into enough questions starting out. Try to make things as simple as possible to minimize error potential.
Good luck, man. We are here.
grandpabear3
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ok.....not sure where we were going with this but if you but a 2x4 botanicare flood and drain set up it will come with a 20 gallon res.
no, dont adjust you watering to mine unless you are duplicating my op. you and only you can "know" your watering needs. seems a bit high to me but if they are haelthy and mold isnt an issue and no signs of overwatering are present then you tell know it all's like me to go the hell on.
nononononononono.....dont you go retarded on me now or i'll never hear the end of it from sparky. if you have the micro then you are set. go by the trics and nothing else always. you know what type of high from the color. there are too many ways that the "hairs" can be affected and give "false readings". not to mention the homos that will argue that if they aint this way or that way.....blablabla. fuck all that shit. do it right, like you were prepared to do. ignore the idiots and follow a proven recipe.
ok, i'm done.
spork is right on with that one....and hell ya, save em in a ziplock in the freezer till you have enough to make bubble hash....omg your buddies will lose their fuckin mind and proclaim you the weed baron for your particular area.
sweet jesus, somebody listens
well said....all of it
grandpabear3
New Member
same to you palhey steve
why? are you a drug addict or something? are you judging us?
oh i bet you do......i.....bet......you......do!!!!!!!!!!
you hear that people he just admitted he has a plan.
perv
taking notes on us huh? are you a dangerous stalker type?
sounds like officer friendly has his "background" pretty well figured out and ready to tell anyone who might test him. we got us a tricky one here.
we dont keep secrets here.
oooooo, me likey.
you just gave me wood.....thank you
we will come back to this in a minute.
you are damn righ about that.
very well done.
get in line.....wanna race?
make it a mh and your in bizz
this is part of the stuff were gonna come back to.
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you are going to have to aggressively prune back your moms doing it that way.they are READY at 2 weeks in hid lit tables and 3 weeks w/cfl lit tables. and i mean READY so take it to 2 weeks and harvest 12 or 3 weeks (if it's a sativa) and harvest 16. that way you give your moms the perfect amount of time to regrow.
just say no to the multiple strains until you get it all dialed in. you'll thank me later.
so with your 240 sqft room that will move 2.3 times the air mass in your room every minute. so keep that in mind when setting it up. thermostatically? or timed? please say thermo.
i have had both and got rid of the o3. the carbon did the job. now i dont really need either but the way you were describing the o3 is perfect .
your exhaust will be the line with the scrubber right?
perfect
ya it sure will be....can you fit a dehumidifier in there?
it wont take that long and it wont give you accurate/useable readings until you get all your plants going in there.
you really are giving me wood
perfect,perfect,perfect
hell post em in here everyone else does too.
ok......240 sq ft room, basically sealed/climate controlled from inside your house, 12 square feet to cover for flowering. that's 83 wpsf w/1000 and 50 wpsf w/600. ok here's the thing. all you need is 40-50....50 being better. the 1000 is overkill in this instance. i know these people are gonna freak out but hear me out. my flowering room is 896 cft and i have a.c and i dehumidify and use cool tubes "properly" (as will you) and it is still hard to keep temps in check sometimes. i mean really hard. the 600 will let you sit it really close to the bud and will be better for such a limited amount of air space. the 1000 is my fav but i really think you should go with the 600. if you wanna talk about it more i'm game, but i'll wait till i see your response.
toodles.
i think o3 is for you...especially the way your gonna put it in.
Thanks for reading
