SOG growers wanted !!!

Old Frog said:

LB, would you say the RO system was worth it, or would you just hit your tap water with a UV device before mixing nutes? My water comes out of the tap at no more than 0027ppm. I let it sit for a day before putting into the res. for chlorine evap. I know it's not pure pure, but the plants don't seem locked out or anything...

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i didnt skip over your last question (about hydroton)...ill be getting to that after i answer this...i need a quick reboot.

but...you ask 'was it worth it' thas all relative to any grow and preference. The only reason i got it is because i like to feed precisely and know exactly what is in my water.

in the words of the great Al B. Fuct.... 'if you can drink yer tap water, so can your plants!'

while my tap water is fine for growing.... i just can be anal about things....yes im apart of the over kill club

in some cases people will bitch cuz if you dont feed absolutely right with RO you can have def. Some say using tap water helps with that i.e. the cal/mag, zinc blah blah blah the trace's that are needed...but fuck it...i know what im putting in my nute soup so its all good.


as far as you purchasing the UV sterilizer...its all relative bro...its not necessarily needed...but if you think so and/or love cool grow gadgets like me....fuck it...get it! i told you i was part of the Overkill club

(plus imma gadget junkie in every other one of my hobbies, so why not bring it to my growing hobby as well)

oh yea, another reason why i decided on the RO filter was because i needed a water source that i could hide. i damn sure wasnt running water hoses through my window... so i thought up a RO res (modded Brute 50 gallon trash can on wheels...aka the grey can as bugs calls it)...drilled holes through the tub...ran the input from a bathroom under the sink...also ran the drainage line from the RO to a saddle drain valve on existing bathtub plumbing. I keep my RO system and inline tds monitor in my storage closet in my lab. I also needed a water source that is mobile as i grow in tents and cabs. my tent is an aeroponics setup and my cab that i built is a SOG cab with ebb and flows...so yea i needed a mobile water source bad.

actually I have 4 400 watt fixtures 2 HPS 2 MH
Originally I had only 1 400 watt MH last year, when my intentions were to keep mothers and clones for the great outdoors, thats really how I got interested in doin the whole cycle indoors. ( and outdoors
A friend gave me another MH (older though) and I flowered the mothers when the clones were no longer need ( sept. I think)
Yeilded just short a pound out of 5 4 month old mothers in 3 gallon pots foxfarms soil and no nutes ( I know: newbie. They severely needed transplant and nutes)
Shut Down after that due to seeing police up and down my road. It ended up being nothing.....
Late nov decided to start again and dug up 4 small clones that were left outside too long by accident
now they r my mothers.

The other 2 HPS lamps came from the same place my clones come from and were cheap, so I hit up on them

I am real interested in seeing if I can get 3 400 watters to compare to everyone elses 600 and 1000 watters.
Srry for the ramble

Old Frog said:

Word LB, sounds like you nuked 'em proper. So you don't do anything in hydroton at all now? I used the stuff to line my E&F trays so the roots wouldn't get hit by the light, and it seems to be working fairly well. Would you recommend a coco mat instead for something like that for my trays in the future? How's the cleanup of that shit go? Easier than rinsing hydroton over and over? Is it reusable?

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while hydroton served its purpose...and i cant hate on it....

i just cant do it anymore man.... especially when someone close to you semi recognizes it.... something to the effect of 'hey dude, those are those bronze balls for growing marijuana dude' in my fucking kitchen....how the fuck did one of those balls get in my kitchen?

so yea, he thinks he knows all about growing...i try to educate him...but fighting back with him would say i know something about growing...i pretty much try to keep low key nobody ask, nobody tell...hell nobody tell period. regardless his name for hydroton was shocking and hilarious at once 'bronze balls!!!'

anywho.. i've thought of using a coco mat, but i've often wondered about losing mobility/ability to move my plants around if i wanted in the ebb and flow. so X'd that out

i use grodan coco croutons, that is my hydroton replacement. roots fucking love em



taking so many clones...(even if not using all clones)....allows me to experiment and/or try new things.... i put a clone in the coco croutons just to see how they would like it... not bad, but i coulda let it gone longer, i just scrapped it cuz it was taking up space on the prop rack



super skunk fresh off the prop rack ready to be flowered!














prop rack. all HO t5

use enzymes to eat the dead root matter.

I use cannazym, some folks say to increase the dosage when reusing....but i havent seen a difference, i also want to try House & Garden Root Excellerator (sp?) heard that is the shit!

im sure hygrozyme and AN's enzyme product would work too, just forgot the name right now (brain fart and im high sorry guys)

LoudBlunts said:

'bronze balls!!!'

mobility/ability to move my plants around if i wanted in the ebb and flow. so X'd that out

i use grodan coco croutons, that is my hydroton replacement.

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Bronze balls...what the hell.

I worried about the lack of mobility with the coco mat too, so went with lining my trays with the hydroton. The roots took over though and I still couldn't move the plants without hurting something or staggering growth. Root growth directly on the trays is reaching epic proportion.

I like those croutons but they look kind messy. Whatever, it's really all a pain in the ass to clean no matter what.

Nice prop. rack by the way. I need to consolidate my setup like that. Much more efficient footprint.

my plants look like they are thriving and reaching for the 1000w MHi dont want to hurt them but if the can take an extra feeding then id rather . im in the 3rd week of flower using AN a and b bloom @650ppm they are 12 inch tall. this is my first attempt at flood tables .

when you guys measure your plants do you include the pot? cause i dont

Wohjew said:

my plants look like they are thriving and reaching for the 1000w MHi dont want to hurt them but if the can take an extra feeding then id rather . im in the 3rd week of flower using AN a and b bloom @650ppm they are 12 inch tall. this is my first attempt at flood tables .

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How tall were your plants when you flipped to flower?

How often do you feed now per day? What is your grow medium?

Wohjew said:

when you guys measure your plants do you include the pot? cause i dont

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No.

Old Frog said:

Bronze balls...what the hell.

I worried about the lack of mobility with the coco mat too, so went with lining my trays with the hydroton. The roots took over though and I still couldn't move the plants without hurting something or staggering growth. Root growth directly on the trays is reaching epic proportion.

I like those croutons but they look kind messy. Whatever, it's really all a pain in the ass to clean no matter what.

Nice prop. rack by the way. I need to consolidate my setup like that. Much more efficient footprint.

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yea, when he said bronze balls all i could do was laugh...but i didnt wanna show my other face.....he makes my day with his daily growing advice or howto grow marijuana stories...

he even said that halogen lights work good for growing....yanno the ones that are yellow and spot light almost with two lights on it? yellow halogen work light?

man he just cracks me up...sometimes i egg him on to 'teach me and tell me' more about cloning (little does he know i get roots in 3-5 days) and flowering. you should hear his technique on flowering...he said he gets bud using 18/6 lighting...wow.


yea you are right about the cleaning thing...everything has its own con when it comes to cleaning.

thanks for the comments on my prop rack. thanks for showing interest in all my work and experiments...you've been cool, shown support and love ever since i've met you, Old Frog. Thanks man

glad to be of service...because we all know maryjane isnt addictive....its growing the shit and buying more grow equipment that is the addiction!!!!

peace bro!

LoudBlunts said:

he said he gets bud using 18/6 lighting...wow.

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Sounds like a genius.

Hey man, you've done your homework and I respect that. I know a lot about soil grows but everything hydro is completely new to me. Your advice has already saved me countless hours at the store and online. And that's why I'm here.

i flipped at like 4-6 inches, growing in 6in pots with hydroton flooding twice per lights on . woukd staying at 2 floods still give me my fat sack

Loudblunts- How's it going! You know what that is the truth when u say the growing is addictive.... I am alway's trying and comming up with new thing's to try and take it to the next level.

How is everyone's grow's going? I went into my veg room lastnight and realized my timers were 12/12 and everything had started to flower very nicelly I might add. I must have not moved my timer when I had did the room change, Opps high on mistake.

hey man...im good... how you doing?

i just put some more corner plants in the tent... lol

Not to bad!

does anyone here use a DIY Bubble Cloner? How long do you wait before putting in hydroton, how big are the roots.
out of my last batch only 10 outta 30 look like they'll make it in the ebb an flow. i think I transplanted when the roots were too small and broke them when I put them in the pots. This sucks

Mine tend to take about a good 2 weeks to start growing from fresh rooted clones straight into flowering on my ebb table! How long has it been. I would not worry. They can begin to look bad the first week, and then all of a sudden they take off!

where is everybody lol

GreenGold said:

does anyone here use a DIY Bubble Cloner?

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I built my own aerocloner 120. It roots 100% in less than 14 days every time.

Here're some pics (the water is brown from hygrozyme and root juice) I need to take the ones with roots out...poor girls. The rest in there were just cut and placed less than three days ago.

hey old frog i answered you lol , its been quiet here lately. Nice pics ive never used an aero cloner but i get roots within 10-12 days using cubes and once one rooted in 8 days and in winter months it tends to take longer . what are the benifits using aero cloners? to be honest id like to totally ditch the RW. ive got beef with RW lol

aero cloners rock


no medium to burn through!