Soil is to compact HELP!

Codeman34

Active Member
I need some help with compact soil. I am using happy frog soil and I didn’t add any perlite before planting them because I’m a first time grower and learning as I go. I had two male plants, I wanted to pull them up to see the root ball. Well the roots looked good but was far and few. What can I do to have better roots and loosen up my soil? They are in plastic 5 gallon nursery pots.
 

kingromano

Well-Known Member
its ok i dont know this label foxfarm
just let it become light before you water again, to give that oxygen to the roots
 

Brother Sweetleaf

Well-Known Member
Here's a valuable tip that very few people mention: Don't drown your plants.

Because this isn't often mentioned in forums, I never knew that tight soil was an issue not with the Foxfarm I was using (which is pretty awesome right out of the bag, BTW), but was the result of how I was watering my plants-- which is something I never considered & certainly didn't include in my postings asking for help on the forums. But eventually, after years of looking at my Perlite & Vermiculite floating atop an inch or 2 of water, I figured it out:

The dryness & thickness of the soil make absorption slow & difficult, which in turn makes the water pool-up a couple inches deep, in the pot & above the soil. This in turn will eventually flood the soil lower & lower, & the more watery the top of the soil, the higher the light & puffy Perlite & Vermiculite will float up, which of course makes the soil far below become less aerated & more dense. This densely packed, less-aerated soil-- along with your roots properly drying out (to avoid mold)-- adds dryness & denseness to the soil, making absorption difficult, pooling-up the water which pulls-up more Perlite to float atop another 2 inches of water, and... You get the idea.

So, for whatever it's worth... Moving forward, Be sure to let your plants gradually absorb the water you feed them. If you have several growing, this can be quite easy: Just water them all much less, and gradually, and bounce down the cycle of them all much faster, then repeat that for several cycles, so that the first plant you began watering has had enough time to absorb the smallish amount of water you already gave it. The upper & maybe middle soil will be moist anyways, for sure, if not full-blown wet, so the second watering-- and maybe a final third-- will go much faster, easier, smoother, and with less pooling.

:leaf:The trick is to learn Patience. It's a plant. You have schedules & a life, I know. We all do. But your plants don't. They only have soil, and Sunlight, and you to water them when the rain doesn't. And the rain rarely floods them. So the Perlite & Vermiculite only work when we let them stay in the soil, and that means slowing down and watering the girls at the plant's speed, and not ours. The good thing is, my issue was (is?) just with slowing the frigg down, and accepting that I have to go at the plant's speed. It's easier with multiple plants, but this year, I have only one growing, and it's outdoors in a ladybug-filled PVC "mini-house" covered in insect-netting, so it's awesome, but a bit of a hassle watering it in gradual, slow phases. Needless to say, I'm having a dense-packed issue myself (as all my Perlite & Vermiculite washed away from my impatient ass), and was going to post about it here in these forums, LOL. So thanks for posting; hope this helps!
:leaf:;-)
 

Brother Sweetleaf

Well-Known Member
Oh... And, for what it's worth: Earthworms!

Red Wrigglers... There are a few types you could get... Either dig 'em up yourself, or else buy 'em at a local bait & tackle shop, or the bait & tackle section of a Dick's Sporting Goods or some popular sporting good store that sells fishing stuff (live bait). But they burrow, Man. It's slow, but that's what they do. That's ALL they do. That and poop stuff that you'd pay money for anyways to nourish your soil. But primarily they burrow and carve and make tunnels all throughout your soil, effectively aerating it.

Now, I have my own opinions regarding worms surviving fertilizer drenchings & stuff, but nobody really is talking about that, so that's probably not a thing.

Like the bug poop that's more prevalent in bud than anyone is talking about. (Get a handheld bud-microscope and go look at your bud, dispensary-sold or otherwise... Eek!)
 

samoka_loda

Member
Well I seen this post and I also have an issue with my potting soil and basically I had bought it and it was kind of Frozen so it's unthawed and it seems like it's pretty thick and clumpy so I'm wondering do I need to let it dry out before I open it or just open it and spread it out a little bit for it to get some air on it... I've got some Coco coir and vermicilland perlite I'm going to mix in with it but it does really seem like it's it's heavy and kind of Muddy I guess..I did buy it a little froze so as it has stalled it basically is holding up some water and feels like it might be a little muddy so I did purchase the potting soil like I said Frozen and any any info or any help would be great
 

Codeman34

Active Member
Here's a valuable tip that very few people mention: Don't drown your plants.

Because this isn't often mentioned in forums, I never knew that tight soil was an issue not with the Foxfarm I was using (which is pretty awesome right out of the bag, BTW), but was the result of how I was watering my plants-- which is something I never considered & certainly didn't include in my postings asking for help on the forums. But eventually, after years of looking at my Perlite & Vermiculite floating atop an inch or 2 of water, I figured it out:

The dryness & thickness of the soil make absorption slow & difficult, which in turn makes the water pool-up a couple inches deep, in the pot & above the soil. This in turn will eventually flood the soil lower & lower, & the more watery the top of the soil, the higher the light & puffy Perlite & Vermiculite will float up, which of course makes the soil far below become less aerated & more dense. This densely packed, less-aerated soil-- along with your roots properly drying out (to avoid mold)-- adds dryness & denseness to the soil, making absorption difficult, pooling-up the water which pulls-up more Perlite to float atop another 2 inches of water, and... You get the idea.

So, for whatever it's worth... Moving forward, Be sure to let your plants gradually absorb the water you feed them. If you have several growing, this can be quite easy: Just water them all much less, and gradually, and bounce down the cycle of them all much faster, then repeat that for several cycles, so that the first plant you began watering has had enough time to absorb the smallish amount of water you already gave it. The upper & maybe middle soil will be moist anyways, for sure, if not full-blown wet, so the second watering-- and maybe a final third-- will go much faster, easier, smoother, and with less pooling.

:leaf:The trick is to learn Patience. It's a plant. You have schedules & a life, I know. We all do. But your plants don't. They only have soil, and Sunlight, and you to water them when the rain doesn't. And the rain rarely floods them. So the Perlite & Vermiculite only work when we let them stay in the soil, and that means slowing down and watering the girls at the plant's speed, and not ours. The good thing is, my issue was (is?) just with slowing the frigg down, and accepting that I have to go at the plant's speed. It's easier with multiple plants, but this year, I have only one growing, and it's outdoors in a ladybug-filled PVC "mini-house" covered in insect-netting, so it's awesome, but a bit of a hassle watering it in gradual, slow phases. Needless to say, I'm having a dense-packed issue myself (as all my Perlite & Vermiculite washed away from my impatient ass), and was going to post about it here in these forums, LOL. So thanks for posting; hope this helps!
:leaf:;-)
Sorry for such a late reply haha but I was just thinking about that so you are saying I am pouring the water to fast and it’s just going straight through it??? What do I do when they say to make it have run off sometimes I just wanna feed plants a lite feed do I always have to make sure it runs off??? Like cause I was thinking if I do lite feeds it will dry up faster correct??? Instead of doing two big feedings would it be better to drop it down to little feedings more often??
 

MICHI-CAN

Well-Known Member
Add 25- 30% coco coire to your next soil batch. Or when recycling. Too late for bare root transplant. When watering? Just puor enough water on the pot to cover the surface by a half inch. Go smoke something. Or get started. Come back and repeat. 5-10 minutes between watering. Repeat until run off shows. Use drip pans. Let plant stand in run off for an hour give or take. Empty the drip pan. Lift your pot now. Fully watered weight. When light to the lif. Repeat process.
 

Codeman34

Active Member
Add 25- 30% coco coire to your next soil batch. Or when recycling. Too late for bare root transplant. When watering? Just puor enough water on the pot to cover the surface by a half inch. Go smoke something. Or get started. Come back and repeat. 5-10 minutes between watering. Repeat until run off shows. Use drip pans. Let plant stand in run off for an hour give or take. Empty the drip pan. Lift your pot now. Fully watered weight. When light to the lif. Repeat process.
Okay so that’s my problem honestly is I just have like a little spout pourer thing I use to pour water out and it’s like 1.66 liters of water and I’ll pour a whole one of them on my 5 gallon buckets of soil and I just pour it within maybe 30 seconds and go to next one and do same thing. Is that my problem?
 

Codeman34

Active Member
Is this real?

muse a water wand with a pump in a 32 gallon trash can.
Hey I’m a newbie still haha still learning as I go. Still can’t manage to get a bigger plant I don’t know what I’m doing wrong man. Last two plants I harvested maybe 3-6 oz each plant if that like what the fuck am I doing wrong haha
 

Tht_Blk_Guy27

Well-Known Member
Oh... And, for what it's worth: Earthworms!

Red Wrigglers... There are a few types you could get... Either dig 'em up yourself, or else buy 'em at a local bait & tackle shop, or the bait & tackle section of a Dick's Sporting Goods or some popular sporting good store that sells fishing stuff (live bait). But they burrow, Man. It's slow, but that's what they do. That's ALL they do. That and poop stuff that you'd pay money for anyways to nourish your soil. But primarily they burrow and carve and make tunnels all throughout your soil, effectively aerating it.

Now, I have my own opinions regarding worms surviving fertilizer drenchings & stuff, but nobody really is talking about that, so that's probably not a thing.

Like the bug poop that's more prevalent in bud than anyone is talking about. (Get a handheld bud-microscope and go look at your bud, dispensary-sold or otherwise... Eek!)
lets talk man. I'm learning organic farming and i was told worms and synthetics don't mix. please tell me about you experience?
 

garybo

Well-Known Member
Now, I have my own opinions regarding worms surviving fertilizer drenchings & stuff, but nobody really is talking about that, so that's probably not a thing.
Brother Sweetleaf, I'm interested in hearing your opinion concerning worms surviving fertilizer and stuff. My medium is soil, cocca coire, perlite, vermiculate and worm casings. I feed with Mega Crop nutrients.
Thanks
 

Tht_Blk_Guy27

Well-Known Member
I need some help with compact soil. I am using happy frog soil and I didn’t add any perlite before planting them because I’m a first time grower and learning as I go. I had two male plants, I wanted to pull them up to see the root ball. Well the roots looked good but was far and few. What can I do to have better roots and loosen up my soil? They are in plastic 5 gallon nursery pots.
I recommend no matter what soil you purchase always buy a bag of soil amendment (perlite, pebble, vermiculite, volcanic rock E.C.T) and run it at a 70% soil / 30% amendment. I'm learning and experiencing the same thing myself as I just purchased some premade super soil that was really nice until I stored it outside in the cold and now it's hard and turns to mud whenever I water it. I've ordered some vermiculite and I will post pics and results soon with all my transplants. I hope you get to solving your issues and get back to loving the process!
 
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