Soil Mix advice needed.

Sunbiz1

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for the price of one of them fancy soils, i can fill your living room with base mix. peat, perlite, compost/manure. a bag of epsom salt, a jar of molasses, and and some worm poop, and your weed will be no better or worse than the guy who spends large on fancy-pants nutes. i truly believe that.
Bingo!, that's what I used for this one...need to update 3 day old pic b/c I had to transplant yesterday. I dump molasses water into the mix immediately, then let it sit in a warm area for a couple of weeks. I also re-use soil after transplanting/chopping.

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wyteboi

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Bingo!, that's what I used for this one...need to update 3 day old pic b/c I had to transplant yesterday. I dump molasses water into the mix immediately, then let it sit in a warm area for a couple of weeks. I also re-use soil after transplanting/chopping.

Peace!
thats a beauty sun!
reused dirt is just as good an most of the time better then bag dirt. i use the same recipe minus the peat base. it dont get any better.




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Sunbiz1

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So I'm preparing for 2012, and found a nursery right up the street from the crib. Couldnt believe it. After all these years. Its my 5th grow for crying out loud. lol. In the past I only went to Lowes, HD, etc.. Miracle gro, Scotts soil, etc........... NOT IN 2012. Going with the good stuff.(I hope) Well anyway, here's what they have. Stuff looks good, but I dont know where to start or what type of mix I should go with. I'll be growing in the ground. Already dug my HUGE holes. Took a while in this hard Southeastern clay. Got 4 holes. Need to fill em. Help me out here.

E.B. Stone organic potting soil-Pine bark, Canadian spag. peat moss, mushroom compost, forest compost products, wetting agent, organic slow release fertilizer made from earthworm castings, feather meal, kelp meal, bat guano. Also contains gypsum and mycorrhizae. (ideal for all container growing) $10.99 1.5 cft

E.B Stone organic planting mix- Pine bark, mushroom compost, forest products, chicken manure. Also contains mycorrhizae(ideal for all outdoor gardening) $7.99 1.5 cft.

Monrovia Custom soil blend- Peat moss, composted bark, living compost, beneficial organisms, 12 different strains of mycorrhizae, coated organic slow release fertilizer(ideal for all outdoor container growing) $12.99 1.5 cft.(on sale right now) regularly 14.99.

Monrovia soil ammendment- compost, composted bark, spag peat moss, 12 different strains of mycorrhizae, coated organic fertilizer(ideal for all outdoor gardening) $12.99 1.5 cft.(also on sale)

E.B. Stone earthworm castings $13.99

E.B Stone organic garden soil $7.99 1.5 cft.

E.B. Stone mushroom compost $12.99

E.B Stone organic soil conditioner $10.99

E.B. Stone flower and vegetable planting mix $7.99 1.5 cft.

Perlite $23.99 4 cft.

vermiculite

E.B Stone seed starter 5.99

Miracle gro organic choice potting mix $7.99(never used it. Have always used the reg potting mix with MIXED RESULTS.

EB stone bone meal/blood meal, bat guano etc...(staying away from the blood meal and bone meal though. Dont want animals hangind around my shit.(never used it. Just heard they attracted wildlife.
I'll be going from cups, to 1 gallons, to 3 gallons, to holes, so hopefully i wont have to add xtra nutes..

Now help me fill my containers and holes please. ALL OPINIONS WELCOMED.
Lowe's is where I get my organic potting soil/mushroom compost during Winter when all my gardens centers close. They have off-brands way in the back outdoors that are pretty good, and much cheaper than all the Scott's garbage. I check bags very carefully though b/c even a small pinhole can lead to gnats. You should find your compost and soil there for half the cost of what you have listed. Also, Home Depot carries a lot of Epsoma products for amending...all cheaper and fully organic.
 

Sunbiz1

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thats a beauty sun!
reused dirt is just as good an most of the time better then bag dirt. i use the same recipe minus the peat base. it dont get any better.




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I was concerned with using so much peat at first, figured it would throw Ph off the charts...since it didn't I can only guess all the other stuff creates a balance. All I know is the basic blend(which is just a simplified version of supersoil actually)blows away MG soil. I used MG for 2 years, then started mixing the crap to dilute it. Then I finally got smart and started using my own garden soil, which I also use to grow native plants(legal ones...lol)in summer. The problem there was bugs, so I couldn't even re-use the soil without going through a major headache. And thus I wound up at garden centers hogging all the worm castings b/c I knew they were closing after the holidays and didn't want to pay shipping.

Now I'm babbling...stoned...lol

Peace
 

buckyboy

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E.B. Stone organic potting soil
E.B Stone organic planting mix
E.B. Stone earthworm castings -x2
Perlite
1/2 cu. ft. of your existing soil
this is real basic. take the 3 cu ft of mix an put both bags of castings in there and at least a cu. ft of perlite. thats your mix. now take about 1/3 of the mix away because thats going in the bottom of the hole. take that 1/3 and add 1 cup of high N guano an 1 cup of high P guano and 2 cups of kelp meal if they have it. mix it real good an put that in the hole then top it off with the other 2/3 of your mix. ...... let sit for at least two weeks, then put your girl in there , trying not to disturb the hole too much. (because critters are curious)
it would be real good if you could go back an top dress after about 2 months. and it would be great if you could get some of the "living compost" in the monrovia blend. my guess is that the living compost is made right there at the store ? all compost an castings are alive but for them to label it like that , it makes me think its very fresh compost vs compost thats been sitting for a while. there is a big difference , just like worm castings that have been sitting.
either way you would wanna top dress with a very hot mix like strait compost or castings with a few tablespoons of whatever food it may want at the time. (an just a lil bit of mix or perlite so its not so compact.)

E.B Stone organic soil conditioner <--- whats in this? this is probably a great top dressing.

it will also help if you give the dirt some carbs in the beginning and towards the end of the cycle. molasses is best but any sugar will work. (about a tsp per gallon) if you want to get technical then cardboard is a good source of carbs , but it needs a lot more composting before feeding to the dirt. that will get the biology of your mix rollin right away. then let mother nature an microbes take over from there.


soil/wyteboi :bigjoint:
Thanks for taking the time to help me out. I'll definitely try that mix.Have to see what's in the conditioner. And I dont think they make thier own compost. Not sure though.
 

buckyboy

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E.B. Stone organic potting soil
E.B Stone organic planting mix
E.B. Stone earthworm castings -x2
Perlite
1/2 cu. ft. of your existing soil
this is real basic. take the 3 cu ft of mix an put both bags of castings in there and at least a cu. ft of perlite. thats your mix. now take about 1/3 of the mix away because thats going in the bottom of the hole. take that 1/3 and add 1 cup of high N guano an 1 cup of high P guano and 2 cups of kelp meal if they have it. mix it real good an put that in the hole then top it off with the other 2/3 of your mix. ...... let sit for at least two weeks, then put your girl in there , trying not to disturb the hole too much. (because critters are curious)
it would be real good if you could go back an top dress after about 2 months. and it would be great if you could get some of the "living compost" in the monrovia blend. my guess is that the living compost is made right there at the store ? all compost an castings are alive but for them to label it like that , it makes me think its very fresh compost vs compost thats been sitting for a while. there is a big difference , just like worm castings that have been sitting.
either way you would wanna top dress with a very hot mix like strait compost or castings with a few tablespoons of whatever food it may want at the time. (an just a lil bit of mix or perlite so its not so compact.)

E.B Stone organic soil conditioner <--- whats in this? this is probably a great top dressing.

it will also help if you give the dirt some carbs in the beginning and towards the end of the cycle. molasses is best but any sugar will work. (about a tsp per gallon) if you want to get technical then cardboard is a good source of carbs , but it needs a lot more composting before feeding to the dirt. that will get the biology of your mix rollin right away. then let mother nature an microbes take over from there.


soil/wyteboi :bigjoint:
So 2 cft of castings, some original clay dirt, bag of potting soil, bag of planting mix, perlite? With guanos in the bottom?
 

buckyboy

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I plan on using the ebstone potting soil and perlite during veggie. (1 gallons). And will 1 gallon to hole be ok. Or do you think they'd do better going from 3 gallon to hole, since they'll have a biggger rootball? And btw, what made you choose the ebstone over the monrovia? Just curious.
 

buckyboy

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Bingo!, that's what I used for this one...need to update 3 day old pic b/c I had to transplant yesterday. I dump molasses water into the mix immediately, then let it sit in a warm area for a couple of weeks. I also re-use soil after transplanting/chopping.

Peace!
This is Hawks country. Fukk da Bulls. lol
 

buckyboy

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Lowe's is where I get my organic potting soil/mushroom compost during Winter when all my gardens centers close. They have off-brands way in the back outdoors that are pretty good, and much cheaper than all the Scott's garbage. I check bags very carefully though b/c even a small pinhole can lead to gnats. You should find your compost and soil there for half the cost of what you have listed. Also, Home Depot carries a lot of Epsoma products for amending...all cheaper and fully organic.
Money is no object this year. As long as I dont have to order online, or drive across the country to get it. lol
 

Sunbiz1

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Another thing about Ga. Dont get caught growing.Thats why I only grow 4 plants. lol
Same here, and it's a fucking joke...4=bullshit misdemeanor, 5=felony along with fine and probation. And it's an election year, that means we have hundreds of worthless State's Attorneys across the US up for another term based upon their conviction rates.

Fortunately, our med bill almost passed earlier in the year...so it's a bit more lax as opposed to down south.

Peace!
 
Someone on this thread said "you can't have too much organics in it.." and that is simply not true when you are using compost. Anything over about 30% can lead to an anerobic condition, especially at 18" or deeper.

Another said "I check for even a pin hole in the bag so I won't get bugs.." and that is simply ignorant. Again with the anerobic stuff, no holes in the bag and it is going to go toxic. I don't recall seeing soil or soilless bags without holes for that reason. It is true it lets bugs in, but whatcha' gonna' do?

With the organic nutes...most are slow release, so slow in fact that they don't break down much in a season and may be good for 2 seasons. Temp, moisture, and bacterial/fungal activity play a big role. Bloodmeal is slow to moderate and very sensitive to the conditions stated. That's why some folks think it is hot and others don't. The rate of relaease is dependent on several factors that people may not realize.

The best of the bagged soils have aged the product so organics are well into the process, others don't bother because they are so busy cranking it out they don't have the time. On the west coast North County Bounty is your best bet. If you are set on building your own soil a blend of organic and commercial ferts are the ticket, at least until you are a couple years into your soil building and you are checking the run-off or soil to see what is in there and what isn't. pH is a friend or foe.
 

Sunbiz1

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Someone on this thread said "you can't have too much organics in it.." and that is simply not true when you are using compost. Anything over about 30% can lead to an anerobic condition, especially at 18" or deeper.

Another said "I check for even a pin hole in the bag so I won't get bugs.." and that is simply ignorant. Again with the anerobic stuff, no holes in the bag and it is going to go toxic. I don't recall seeing soil or soilless bags without holes for that reason. It is true it lets bugs in, but whatcha' gonna' do?

With the organic nutes...most are slow release, so slow in fact that they don't break down much in a season and may be good for 2 seasons. Temp, moisture, and bacterial/fungal activity play a big role. Bloodmeal is slow to moderate and very sensitive to the conditions stated. That's why some folks think it is hot and others don't. The rate of relaease is dependent on several factors that people may not realize.

The best of the bagged soils have aged the product so organics are well into the process, others don't bother because they are so busy cranking it out they don't have the time. On the west coast North County Bounty is your best bet. If you are set on building your own soil a blend of organic and commercial ferts are the ticket, at least until you are a couple years into your soil building and you are checking the run-off or soil to see what is in there and what isn't. pH is a friend or foe.
Wrong about not checking purchased bagged products, even the Scott's Corp has been trying to rid gnat larvae from their garbage bags of pre-fert soil blends

Call me ignorant if you must, now go out and buy shit with holes in bags and see what happens.
 

wyteboi

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So 2 cft of castings, some original clay dirt, bag of potting soil, bag of planting mix, perlite? With guanos in the bottom?
yes sir ! i didnt think the castings were as big as 1cuft , your gettin a pretty good deal wherever you are. i pictured #30 bags , so you can drop it down to 1 cft of the castings.



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