soil mix question..will this work?

I haven't been able to mix my soil and let it cook for a few reasons we won't get into...I'm using a modified ff moonshine mix...1 cf ff lw ..1 cf ff p.m....1.5 cf ff o.f..... 1 cup happy frog jump start ..1 cup happy frog fruit and flower....and about 2 5 gal buckets of perlite per 3.5 cf of soil...I will be mixng 400 450 gal of soil...here is my delima I haven't been able to mix my soil together and let the microbes take over ..so Im kinda in a rush to get mix going before I put my plants outside ...the mix calls for the Jumpstart first and then I supposed ur supposed to have a separate batch of soil for flower. .I'm wondering if I could just mix the Jumpstart and fruit n flower together at the same time then plant straight into it...or would it be best to use the Jumpstart 1st and use the fruit n flower as a top dress just before or very early flower...I have been told soil is acidic when it is breaking down nutes or cycling so I'm worried it will be shitty for the plants mixing them both together...could anyone give me some ideas on what would work best...the sooner i get some info the sooner I can get my initial mix cooking so I would like to hear from some of the awesome organic Growers on here..thank you

Nothing to cook there. FF stuff is ready to go, it is not like adding amendments to a soil mix that need to Cook before being soluble to the plants.

Ya man ff is usable right out of the bag. I have used it before like that and usually keep mothers in it or green fields.

I am aware that the soil is ready to use out of the bag..I'm already using it...I have plants around 1 ta two foot tall....but when I add the amendments to the soil it needs to be broken down guys...that's what I am "cooking" not to mention it helps of you mix the soils together to make a food Web of some sort for the microbes and allow them to do there thing....

caveman117 said:

Ya man ff is usable right out of the bag. I have used it before like that and usually keep mothers in it or green fields.

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JavaCo said:

Nothing to cook there. FF stuff is ready to go, it is not like adding amendments to a soil mix that need to Cook before being soluble to the plants.

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From what I have heard when the soil is breaking down an amendment like the ones I'm using ..which has all kinda god shit inside it....the soil will become acidic ...I'm just wondering if adding both the j.s and fruit n flower will cause problems. ..I'm basically gonna have to add the Jumpstart and plant soon after if not the same day I mix...which isn't ideal

I wouldn't even worry about it. Your growing outside so you will be lucky if those amendments last threw flower. If you were inside and doing a short veg ,like a month then yeah cooking the amendments would help. Since most amendments only last about 4 months you're going to be hard pressed to make them last outside. Really probably better not to cook them since you want them kicking in ,in flower. Adding a bit of lime or oyster shells will bring soil PH up if your worried and the soil being too acidic.

So u think top dressing with the fruit and flower would be the best bet when it get to be that time.. I'll be feeding with teas ..sea bird and bat guano..kelp..rabbit poop...fish in a few different ways..so I'm not just gonna have those two amendments

Sst's and alfalfa meal as well btw
..I'm sure I'll be adding more things but I'm just saying

I would wait till about a month before flower to add the fruit and flower. Really you might not need it if you're going to do teas. Might want to go light with it. Sea bird and bat guano are redundant unless your getting mexican bat poo that is best for veg. Plus bat guano is mostly cockroach poo. Bats poop in the caves and it hits the floor then the cockroaches eat the bat crap and in turn poo it back out. Also most companies don't harvest it sustainably they smash in the walls of these caves and go in with front end loaders and scoop the poop out thus destroying the bats home. With sea bird guano you don't have to worry about that.

You also might want to cut the alfalfa meal a week or two into flower, great for veg though. There is something in alfalfa that interferes with the hormones in the flowering process.

They won't be starving with all that nutrition you plan on giving them. Just be careful not to over do it.

Right on..but this is u.s bat guano..harvested by me...inside barns and old houses...not destroying anything and not cickroach poop...idk why more ppl don't do it on here...all the ppl I know from my hometown get there own bat poop. ...why would you say it is redundant btw

Btw I have always used the guano from here in veg ...I really don't think the bats around my parts are munching on fruit too often

GoRealUhGro said:

Right on..but this is u.s bat guano..harvested by me...inside barns and old houses...not destroying anything and not cickroach poop...idk why more ppl don't do it on here...all the ppl I know from my hometown get there own bat poop. ...why would you say it is redundant btw

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They are both similar sources of high phosphorus. Jamaican bat guano is anyways, it is high in Phosphorus whereas Mexican is high in Nitrogen. So mexican is better for Veg. and Jamaican is better for Flowering. Seeing how you harvest your own hard to say what it would test out to,without testing it for NPK values.

Btw I have always used the guano from here in veg ...I really don't think the bats around my parts are munching on fruit too often...it is high in N for sure. .idk what the npk is and really don't care ...it woes really well and that's all I care about....fresh is always the best though...I like rabbit poop for a growth boots more than bat shit anyway..but I use both

IF you look at your bag of happy frog fruit and flower you will see the numbers 5-8-4. You will see that on pretty much all fertilizers. Thats the NPK .... Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium(K)

I'm aware of the different kinda guanos too btw ...I haven't ever use sea bird guano bit it's npk numbers are high as shit

JavaCo said:

IF you look at your bag of happy frog fruit and flower you will see the numbers 5-8-4. You will see that on pretty much all fertilizers. Thats the NPK .... Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium(K)

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....lol...I am aware of what npk levels are bro...I said I don't really care what th3 npk is of the bat shit I have...it works. .that's all I care about....

I don't have much experience with the particular brands that you are using but I mix up my own soil and have had multiple occasions where I didn't have time to let it properly cook. And I use peat moss and all that so I don't have any ready to absorb elements in my soil sometimes.

I have a couple recipes I use to feed them before the soil mix kicks.

My main one for veg and early flower (usually I don't need it by flower but in the event I do)

1/2 Tablespoon per gallon for each

Fish hydroslate or emulsion (preferably a hydroslate)
High phosphorus Bat Guano (I prefer Indonesian but Jamaican does fine
Molasses
Liquid humic acid

You're harvesting fresh Bat Guano so you've probably got an even npk in your Guano, I would make some aact with your Guano and some Molasses and some humic acid. That would probably feed your plants just fine until your soil mix kicks.

The humic acid will help chelate and absorb nutrients until your pH settles down and stops swinging.

About the pH problems.. I don't think I would ever want to chance the soils ph when it's cycling. ..it's prob that way for a reason....reason being it's breakin down the nutes...changing the pH would prob interfere. ..I think I'm just gonna feed it light teas when the plan needs them and see what happens....it my own fault for not having a soil mixture ready

GoRealUhGro said:

About the pH problems.. I don't think I would ever want to chance the soils ph when it's cycling. ..it's prob that way for a reason....reason being it's breakin down the nutes...changing the pH would prob interfere. ..I think I'm just gonna feed it light teas when the plan needs them and see what happens....it my own fault for not having a soil mixture ready

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That would definitely work. I didn't get to cook my last round and I didn't have any problems. I did foliar feed a lot during veg, so if there were any pH problems I never saw them.