soil question for the gurrila growers

dangerouseknowledge

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hiking soil into the woods is a hastel yes
but waht about taking coco hust blocks into the woods and mixing it with exsiting soil or peat ? should perlight be added
and has anyone used watergels before?
do they make that much of a diferance
 

sonar

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That actually sounds like a pretty good idea as long as you have a water supply out there to hydrate the blocks.

I dunno about mixing with native soil, at least where I live. I dig holes and fill them with soil I hiked in. Never used coco but I would imagine you'd want some perlite in there.
 

dangerouseknowledge

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somhow i have been hearing water gells increase airation im asumin perlight wont hurt thow as for native soil ur right just gets expensive if ur doing a entier whole with coco husk there is alot of pine were i am so the ph is far to acidic lime is a must
 

sodalite

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go on e-bay to look for deals on peat if you want 50lbs or more i was going to try it but didn't. i remember good deals starting at the 50-100lbs mark i think. that's compressed. i can't remember the exact amounts but something like 3lbs will fill a 5 gallon bucket when hydrated. i'd have to do some looking to find the real amount but thats close. i ended up not using it as the bales of sunshine mix ended up being the better all round choice for myself. but i'm sure coco would work fine for outdoor grows. you will need to add all the ferts sort of like growing DWC style.
water polymers (gells) don't add to airation. rather if you add to much it will have the opposite effect on your soil they turn like jello and large amounts will not do your soil well for airation.
 

sonar

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somhow i have been hearing water gells increase airation im asumin perlight wont hurt thow as for native soil ur right just gets expensive if ur doing a entier whole with coco husk there is alot of pine were i am so the ph is far to acidic lime is a must
Yes, it is expensive, but it's worth it. Bigger holes=bigger plants=more bud. Unless you live in an area with amazing soil, for best results you are gonna want to dig holes. In most wooded areas, at best your topsoil layer is like what? Maybe 4-6"? I didn't want to do it either my first time and I paid for it in the end. I planted in 2 cycles last summer. Even though the 2nd cycle I put out was 3 weeks after the first, the plants in the 2nd cycle had much bigger holes with sunshine mix and I yielded almost double. At the end of the season, I dug up the roots and they hardly penetrated the surrounding soil. It was almost like growing in a bucket in a sense. My soil is rocky and has quite a bit of clay, so you might do a little better depending on your local soil, but I really doubt you'll do much better.

Look at it this way. If you put out month old clones or seedling in mid may in gigantic holes, you can yield between 1/2-1lb per plant. A bale of promix or sunshine mix runs around $30-35 dollars depending on where you live. You can get 3 holes out of one bale if you push it, but 2 holes per bale is probably better. So, at 3 holes per bale we are talking like $10 per plant. Thats not that much considering the time and effort that goes into guerilla style growing. To me, it's a no brainer, that's the easy part. The hard part is 1) getting those gigantic bales out the bush and 2) actually growing the plants successfully without getting ripped, eaten by animals, disease, bugs, wind, etc. That's why we put plants/clones out that are at least 3-4 weeks old. When they are small, they are very vulnerable. You'll have to look into the volumes of coco though. The bales of promix or sunshine mix are compressed to 3.8 cu ft, but break down to almost 7 cu ft. That's a good bit of top notch soil for $35. Plus, you don't really don't need to add any extra perlite to either of them. You can if you want, but I don't see the need. They come ph balanced with lime, but it wouldn't hurt to add a little extra. Like I said, I never used coco, but I would imagine it is similar to peat, so you'll probably want to add some perlite. Also, like sodalite said, both coco and promix and sunshine mix don't have nutes, so you'll have to feed them either when you water them or with some quality time released nutes, or both.
 

dangerouseknowledge

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i dig 3x3 foot wide wholes mix with pre expanded water gell that has ammonim phoshate amonuim nitrate and urea in the water at 2 table spoons per 5 gallons a dusting home made micro nutes and it is usualy set untell late summer when i add potasuim phoshate and potasuim carbonate the water gell lets the fertilizers release slowy at the rate they dry out witch is untell late july
 

doowmd

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Walmart sells their own version of 'pro-mix', it was something like $8-$10 a bag, added some mg perlite ($5), and sprinkled some ammonia nitrate around the outer edge of each 3x3 hole, (so when it rained it woud wash the nitrogen down to the roots.). went back during flowering and scattered dry mollasses ($10 for 50lb bag at local feed store). I was fairly stoked w/ the end result of this method this past summer. The only thing I can say I need to tweak next year is the location, or trim some sun-blocking trees back.
 

dangerouseknowledge

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u sound like u grow like me how are u getting ammounim nitrate it is an explosive i have been using ice packs what works great for a spring mix is ammonuim phoshate 50%5% amonuim nitrate 42% urea 3% magnesuim sulfate and you can even add black strap molasis to the mix as a carbo boost amonuim nitrate is hidroscopic and is the acsual part that the plant uses for nitrogen most fertilizers break down into nitrates witch feed the plants so adding to much of it is very easy mix all these together and add about a table spoon per plant slightly increase it as it gets larger ammonuim phoshate is starter mix for lawns numbers 24-24-0 urea is 45-0-0 amonuim nitrate is 35-0-0 carful buying it thow ur better off with instant ice packs it can spark intrest in ur local rcmp becase its explosive dont worrie about it blowing up it takes a fuel oil or a meatal powder and a sugnificant explosive to set it off
 

sonar

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is there anyone on this fourm who knows much about fertilizer aplications?
Yes there is actually an entire sub-forum in the General Growing section.

Here's the "cliff notes" version. 90% of the people on here are going to tell you to use Fox Farms if you want to go the organic route. In all honesty, I'd estimate only half those people who say use fox farms probably never even used it themselves and are just repeating it because that's what they hear. I've never used it, but I've used the Botanicare line with good results.

If you want to go the non-organic route, seems like Dyna Grow and Jack's Classic are the big ones. There are a lot of people who practically think Miracle Grow products will kill your plants just being in the same ROOM as your plants, but I've seen excellent results with it if used properly. Like any fertilizer, but especially chemical ones, using them properly is essential. You can do some research, but it seems like the general consensus is that with chemical nutes, 1/2 strength is more than enough.
 

sodalite

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i've used fox farms with some good results. look closely at their products most are not organic. they only have a few 100% organic products in their line. same as with earth juice and i have had good results and liked ej for years the grow formula is not 100% organic only the bloom. it sucks alot of companies say shit like natural or whatever on it to make it seem 100% organic but you've got to read between the lines.
one thing that an organic gardener needs more than anything is a real good source of compost and worm castings. both can do wonders for your plants well a dash of bat guano halps a bit to.
 

Nice Ol Bud

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Alot of people perfer FFOF(Fox Farm).
It heard its really good,
and is really good.
Lol,
Im high as fuck.

NoB
 

sodalite

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dangerouseknowledge, organic to much work and have to be flushed well?? i'm thinking your confusing it with using chem nutes. organic is easier less chance to mess things up. you don't need to flush outdoors just quit giving them nutes a few weeks before they are done nature takes care of the rest. never seen any differance in buds being smaller. i have used everything in the past 15 years and organic is the best method for top notch bud hands down. in fact it makes all the differance in the world eventually everyone goes organic, sometimes it's something that takes years to figure out. i have grown indoors many times always hydro with ebb and flow beds using chemicals and any knowledgable smoker knows the differance.
 

sodalite

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i doubt you have knowledge from real expierience when growing ganja. guanos and liquid ferts go a long way. the liquid ferts come in the same size containers as the chem/hydro ferts. it's no extra for me, afer you have good spots they can be reused and the soil gets better if you don't poison it from year to year.
 
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