some info on hermi plants

th3bigbad

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i grew some pure power plants inside a while back. i had 1 hermi slip through, well i say hermi. i found 2 male flowers at the very bottom set of nodes. well those 2 lil flowers made a mess of my plants. i got a dry total of 18oz. ive broke up about 4oz of that and found about 50 seeds. my question is what should i expect from these seeds if i grow them?
ive read that a hermi pollinateing itself will make fem seeds and that hermis that pollinate themself will just make alota hermis. so im kinda lost. if i grow them they will be outside in the woods sumwhere so i dont really have anything to lose other than the time spent planting and harvesting. but i would like to hear what yall think the outcome may be. if all the bud i grew last time is like the first 4oz i should have about 200ish seeds. so its either toss them in the trash plant them and hope for the best or open a seed bank. lol
 

fdd2blk

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i've read both. i have a lot of books. some say pollen from a hermie only carries dominant female genes because it comes off a female plant. therefore the seeds will be femminized. others say hermie seeds = hermie plants. i wouldn't take the chance unless it was an ONLY option.
 

mogie

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From what I have read hermaphrodite parents tend to pass on the tendency to their offspring. That is a real definite answer. They "tend" to. I'm sorry that isn't much help. But I agree with fdd I wouldn't take the chance.
 

ILoveUMaryJane

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Isn't this something to do with a higher chance of polyploidy? I can only vaguely remember my A level biology, but look up plant polyploidy and you might be able to find out
 

abudsmoker

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from what i have seen outta hermies most self polinating seeds lacked the vigor of mama

to get femizied seeds use gebberic acid on a pure female, force a normal female to produce flowers. then i use those last flowers to pollinate a younger clone of the same normal female these will give you the feminized seeds you desire.
 

MrBaker

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It seems that maybe in an evolutionary sense that hermi plants = hermi seed could make sense. The plant might be a hermi in the first place because it was stressed and its tech for making sure seeds are made is to pollenate itself. Perhaps the plant is genetically encoded to assume that conditions will not improve and that hermaphroditic seeds should be produced in order to keep the species alive. It seems that sort of thing would be so great for diversity. I am also unsure of cannabis' ploidy...many plants are tetraploid and up.
 

northerntights

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polyploidy is when you have the cell of your plants that have multiple copies of the same chromosome, in plants this can be a great thing. Polyploidy is something thats really only caused by a chemical known as colchicine, so toxic one grain can kill you and there is no cure. It used to be used to give better yielding, albeit sterile plants... Ironic it was the US government that pioneered the technology in an attempt to create a THC free marijuana for the creation of hemp during WWII. All they did was get the researchers really high, and give them cancer from the residual toxin. No one uses that stuff anymore since breeding practices have gotten so controlled. so there is the fyi on polyploidy lol. Yet another informative yet rather useless nerd moment!
 

th3bigbad

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polyploidy is when you have the cell of your plants that have multiple copies of the same chromosome, in plants this can be a great thing. Polyploidy is something thats really only caused by a chemical known as colchicine, so toxic one grain can kill you and there is no cure. It used to be used to give better yielding, albeit sterile plants... Ironic it was the US government that pioneered the technology in an attempt to create a THC free marijuana for the creation of hemp during WWII. All they did was get the researchers really high, and give them cancer from the residual toxin. No one uses that stuff anymore since breeding practices have gotten so controlled. so there is the fyi on polyploidy lol. Yet another informative yet rather useless nerd moment!
look what you did, i had to pullout my pocket protector and some old links on this 1. so lets get nerdy up in here.
ok good post for the most part, a few things being off. polyploidial plants arent just caused by colchicine. there are plants and animals that are just born that way. and colchicine is only 1 way of changeing the plants cells. check out gibberellic acids and promalin.
as for it being deadly,,, yeah it can be but not something as small as 1 grain. "Colchicine is Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved for the treatment of gout and also for familial Mediterranean fever, secondary amyloidosis(AA), and scleroderma."
and it is still in use for plants aswell "Since chromosome segregation is driven by microtubules, colchicine is also used for inducing polyploidy in plant cells during cellular division by inhibiting chromosome segregation during meiosis; half the resulting gametes therefore contain no chromosomes, while the other half contain double the usual number of chromosomes (i.e., diploid instead of haploid as gametes usually are), and lead to embryos with double the usual number of chromosomes (i.e. tetraploid instead of diploid). While this would be fatal in animal cells, in plant cells it is not only usually well tolerated, but in fact frequently results in plants which are larger, hardier, faster growing, and in general more desirable than the normally diploid parents; for this reason, this type of genetic manipulation is frequent in breeding plants commercially. In addition, when such a tetraploid plant is crossed with a diploid plant, the triploid offspring will be sterile (which may be commercially useful in itself by requiring growers to buy seed from the supplier) but can often be induced to create a "seedless" fruit if pollinated (usually the triploid will also not produce pollen, therefore a diploid parent is needed to provide the pollen). This is the method used to create seedless watermelons, for instance. On the other hand, colchicine's ability to induce polyploidy can be exploited to render infertile hybrids fertile, as is done when breeding triticale from wheat and rye. Wheat is typically tetraploid and rye diploid, with the triploid hybrid infertile. Treatment with colchicine of triploid triticale gives fertile hexaploid triticale."wikipedia
and i know its kinda lame to post other sites on this 1 but if your 1/2 the nerd i am youll dig this
Advanced Nutrients Medical - Bigger LEaves Via PROMALIN???
bcgrowers title
and by all means if ive missed or overlooked something call me out.
nerds unite and do things cool ppl dream about.
 

Sheckster

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My best friend had his crop produce a few male flowers just like you described at the end of long season a year ago.... He got a lot of seeds.... He was happy about it but I made fun of him and called him Dr. Hermie etc...
Well he planted those seeds at the beginning of this season... Every time he brought up his crop, I called him Dr. Hermie....... Well, He had the most incredible outdoor crop with no replication of male flowers....I am talking bumper crop!!! No problems...
He had the last laugh when he brought his golf ball of white russian bubble hash on a visit recently..
Go figure
 

BenasaurusRex

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I've got some seeds I pulled out of a bag. they are kind of wimpy and I've heard that smaller, more oblong seeds are hermie seeds. Does anybody know if this is true? The bud was very chronic, but I don't want to risk bringing hermies into my grow space.
 
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