Something People Ought to Know

I got mine from here:

http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/1813174/25320792/

you dont have to register for some of their stuff, not sure if this is one of them or not.

if you cant torrent, pm me, maybe i can email it to you. not sure if size will be a problem, its about 37.6 megs uncompressed.

pdf has good quality pics of the books pages, but the guy couldnt make up his mind which direction to scan the sucker. still totally readable tho.


just found it here also :

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35584697/Teaming-With-Microbes-A-Gardener-s-Guide-to-the-Soil-Food-Web-Organic

sometimes you can use this : http://scribddl.tk/ click on the scribd downloader link. then copy the address into the box.

I have a Demonoid acct (for what THAT is worth!!) thanx. I looked at TPB (which I think is far and above the better torrent site) to no avail.

I used to use demonoid almost exclusively, had a great ratio probly 4yrs running, then they banned my account for no reason, just because some ignorant MF clicked report post.

i like PB alot also, but I never logged in, ever, and the one time I uploaded a file ( a full scan of the pull out skryrim map, I was the first person to do so) PB banned my account on me. so now I only DL from PB, wont upload anything. The map is also on demonoid.


And no problem, I like to help the community. we are all in this together, in a way.....

Unohu, You liked that did ya?

yeah thats a marvelous copy of that, much easier to read. kikd ya a rep bump for that one. Im a collector of grow pdfs.

what about say using vegetable scraps and making a tea out of them? will that still require the month wait for the nutrients to breakdown?

Yes, you'll have to compost them, and for a bit longer than a month.

good to know. thanks

Very Good Read!!! Please add more.

very informative thread.+rep from me.
I agree w/ alot of your points. By no means am I an experianced/ seasoned grower or educated w/ a degree but since I started growing (have a few under the belt) I realized its a realationship w/ my girls I'm developing. meaning you are cultivating a give & take w/ your plants. it's going to learn from you & you will learn from it. we all have been the 1st time grower panicing over lil pit falls, stressing on the rate of growth & for us guys who are "fixers" will FU roally trying to fix things that aint broke. but all this helps you in your future grows to understand that "time" is the foundation for you & your plants. it's just up to you WHEN you will learn this. I can almost gurantee if you establish that patience w/ your plants it'll change everything.

But it's also really good to study & know your stuff.
thanx for giving back w/ this thread.

Thanks again everyone with your positive feedback! I'm sorry I've been away for a while, it's still trimming season for some and I need money... so you can guess why internet access has been hard lately.

I'm glad people are catching onto this thread and checking out teaming with microbes. Nothing can teach you more than a book and experience, with the latter being 75% of the knowledge gained.

I encourage everyone who has read this thread to try their own soil mixture based off what you think will result in the best yield/potency/whatever you want. Please, please start simple. This does not mean add only one or two amendments to your base soil. What this means is be smart about what you add, or build off of a soil recipe that you have tried in the past and have been successful with. The only way to know if a soil mixture is better than another is to compare results, remember this. Also know that trace elements in the right amounts are equally as important as nutrition in the right amounts. Understand the concept of limiting reagents. And always keep in mind that their is such a thing as too much nutrition in gardening, but no one has ever had bad results just using base soil and watering. When you try something be careful, too little is far better than too much.

So I run earth juice (not a tea, just mixed into water) in a soiless medium (sunshine#4). My plants absolutely love it. But I've been curious, does a soiless medium still support all the life needed to complete the organic process? The answer clearly has to be yes, because the plants do extremely well.

Any info on this process when using a soiless peat based medium would be much appreciated. Because from what I understand my sunshine mix is a quasi hydro medium, but reacts a lot like soil.

Your medium is what you use to host the microbiology, soil just so happens to be what I use and know about. If there is food for your critters somewhere in your medium then your got yourself some beneficial bacteria and fungi.

great post, but anyone could do an advanced garden or a botannicare garden and the results will smash an organic garden evert bloody time. Yeild, potency, flavor, aroma, and reliableresults from one harvest to the next. End of discusssion. People are way into the whole foods thing. Its sad. Go out, and try it one time. Flush or stop feeding 15-20 days before the thing comes down and leave the rest of it to companies that dedicate themselves to doing what they do. I hate how high and mighty the all organics people are. Get over it and grow some real buds. and go buy the shit you need for co2. nuff said

Advanced Nutrients is a joke, their nutes are lacking and they claim to be organic (kind of funny how you're knocking organics and mention that brand) but they're not. Go with Canna if you're going synthetic. I mentioned that there is nothing wrong with growing synthetically, organics are just cheaper, and way less of a hassle. I mix up my soil and let it sit for a month - 2 months, then put in my 2-3 week old plant and just use plain water throughout harvest. Pretty simple. This is the organics section, so I'd be careful about telling people to grow "real buds" here, you'll probably get flamed. Also, you should check out Humboldt Local, he's all organic outdoor (like myself) and his results are better than any synthetic results I've seen. I've done the whole aeroponics thing and I have a lot of friends on the hydro hype... yeah it looks really good, but I get higher off of my soil grown. And I have no idea where you get this taste and aroma notion from... Have you ever grown organically?

chef c said:

great post, but anyone could do an advanced garden or a botannicare garden and the results will smash an organic garden evert bloody time. Yeild, potency, flavor, aroma, and reliableresults from one harvest to the next. End of discusssion. People are way into the whole foods thing. Its sad. Go out, and try it one time. Flush or stop feeding 15-20 days before the thing comes down and leave the rest of it to companies that dedicate themselves to doing what they do. I hate how high and mighty the all organics people are. Get over it and grow some real buds. and go buy the shit you need for co2. nuff said

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As to the first statement:

And as to the second, and even the third statement, you are obviously an idiot. You MIGHT do as well as an organic grower with equal experience (I doubt it very seriously, but you MIGHT) however there is no way in hell you'll do BETTER. nuff said

great read. this season it's gonna be my first growing and I don't have any experience with growing marijuana. but I know a few things about soil since I grow vines and olives and some vegetables. I was amazed how much attention people are giving to soil mixtures and nutrition, after reading a couple of forums. both organic and conventional. I would think that cannabis is the most nutritant hungry plant there is. but I doubt that. from where I come from, small island in Mediterrainian sea, people almost sow weed and come back in oktober to pick it up (figuratively speaking). what I believe is that there's no better soil mix than what nature can produce in healthy and non-cultivated enviroment. there's everything you need there, life and nutrition. if you want or need to add something, there's nothing better than well rotten manure and quality compost for me. for every soild type. this is how I plan the growing. germinate in soil-less medium = local sandy soil. transplanting into bigger pot: local sandy soil with little manure or compost. I will prepare my hole a month before planting (as big and as deep as possible): local soil (sand) + turn around and dig in humus strata of local soil + little well rotten sheep manure + little less rotten donkey manure on top + mulch on the hole. nice and simple.

chef c said:

great post, but anyone could do an advanced garden or a botannicare garden and the results will smash an organic garden evert bloody time. Yeild, potency, flavor, aroma, and reliableresults from one harvest to the next. End of discusssion. People are way into the whole foods thing. Its sad. Go out, and try it one time. Flush or stop feeding 15-20 days before the thing comes down and leave the rest of it to companies that dedicate themselves to doing what they do. I hate how high and mighty the all organics people are. Get over it and grow some real buds. and go buy the shit you need for co2. nuff said

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stupid talk .........

Tiami said:

great read. this season it's gonna be my first growing and I don't have any experience with growing marijuana. but I know a few things about soil since I grow vines and olives and some vegetables. I was amazed how much attention people are giving to soil mixtures and nutrition, after reading a couple of forums. both organic and conventional. I would think that cannabis is the most nutritant hungry plant there is. but I doubt that. from where I come from, small island in Mediterrainian sea, people almost sow weed and come back in oktober to pick it up (figuratively speaking). what I believe is that there's no better soil mix than what nature can produce in healthy and non-cultivated enviroment. there's everything you need there, life and nutrition. if you want or need to add something, there's nothing better than well rotten manure and quality compost for me. for every soild type. this is how I plan the growing. germinate in soil-less medium = local sandy soil. transplanting into bigger pot: local sandy soil with little manure or compost. I will prepare my hole a month before planting (as big and as deep as possible): local soil (sand) + turn around and dig in humus strata of local soil + little well rotten sheep manure + little less rotten donkey manure on top + mulch on the hole. nice and simple.

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You are 100% CORRECT!! And to all of the poor misguided folks who believe that chemicals are better, I pose this........If hydroponics rules and is better than nature, then Monsanto is God. NOTHING human kind can come up with will ever even come close to, nevermind surpass, what nature is capable of. It's the height of human arrogance to even think we can improve on what god has provided.

Thanks for all of the great info!!! I am starting my first outdoor this spring, can't wait organic seems to be the way to go from what I've read.. I will most likely pick up an organic base and mix a very weak recipe to start it off and if I have to feed it seperatly ill order some canna I've also started a compost pile recently for some nice potting soil down the road. Thanks again!!