Somethings wrong with my baby!

TCortese

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So this plant is app. 9 weeks old and about one week post flip, it's GHSC's Trainwreck. The bottom leaves are showing some serious distress, brown spots and a few small ones have some very serious wilting, the top of the plant seems healthy enough, there might be a VERY slight lightening of the leave's color but it's hard to say.

Its grown in a 5 gallon DWC using floranova nutes supplemented with thrivealive and calmag. It's worth mentioning that I wasn't having any issues whatsoever before the flip. I switched to the FN Bloom the day before the flip and started noticing issues approximately 2 days afterwards. I immediately decided to go back to the FN Grow until the stretch was over, thinking that perhaps I shouldn't be depriving the plant of some extra N until after the stretch (this is my first grow and it never occurred to me to do a little research as to when one should be switching to a bloom formula....), but perhaps this was faulty thinking. It's been quite warm here the past week or so and the room has been around 85f during the day, but I don't see any inward curling of the leaves.

As for the pH and PPM, well, there we run into an issue. I purchased a six in one meter off EBay (those blue ones that you can hang on the wall), and it seems to have kicked the bucket after only a few weeks (I hope there is a warranty on the damn thing), reading a pH of 100+ and PPM of about 50 (calibration doesn't help). Still, near as I can tell with some strips, pH seems to be around 6, and with what limited experience I have using FN nutes, the pH buffer seems to work very well. With that said, I may be running the solution a little hot (~1300) and have been doing so for weeks (back when my meter was properly functioning) with no issue, could this finally be catching up with me?

Lastly, I'm used to growing cacti hydroponically so I'm not at all sure what a normal H2O uptake for a plant this size is, but she is going through about half a gallon of water a day. I water when I see it's low, but this could certainly be causing wild fluctuations in the pH/PPM.

So here are some crappy pictures, don't mind the said soil grown siblings in the background, last time I ever grow in soil.....
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The plant really is beastly besides the mentioned problems, I wish I had LST'd a bit. If you can't tell from the pics, the giant fan leaves on the bottom have sort of been tucked under the canopy by some serious knuckling on the branches nodes. Most of the leaves that are showing issues are the ones that are hardly getting any light, is it too late to start yanking some of those off?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!




T.
 

Weedburger

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What about temps?

And 1300 is way too much for this stage, I would say its nute burn but let the others to give their opinion.
 

rob333

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can u get pics without the lights on as they look like plants with a hps light on lol yellow all over and they look nothing like the train wreck i have then again diff lights were u grow nutes and so on so could be same seed just grow different
 

TCortese

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Yea I know 1300 is ridiculous, I slowly raised the PPM over the plants life looking for signs of burn, but saw none. So it is finally catching up with me then? Should I flush before lowering the nutes?

Yea, I know the HPS is a pain. I'll drag it out into another room for a few pictures while I swap out the nutes....

Thanks guys...
 

TCortese

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Okay, so I just moved to the plant to some plain water (pH is just under 6 from what I can tell using these cheap ass Chinese strips), I decided a flush sure as hell couldn't hurt. Should I be switching to the bloom nutes now? I moved it into better lighting for some more pics (sorry, I didn't see the post about moving plants out of HPS before asking for help....) and noticed some pre-flowers on her, is this a good indicator to switch to bloom formula?

Here are the pics, my camera sucks so they still aren't great
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Here is one of the more strongly afflicted leaves, wilting. I removed two that were in far worse shape than this. Am I right to assume I should I be taking off the really damaged ones? What about the rest of the foliage that isn't getting any light? Too late to start a little lollipopping?
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Lastly, moving it into better lighting shows some yellowing on the new growth tips, pretty good indicator of a hot solution?
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Thanks again guys.



T.
 

Bugeye

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Maybe a scooch over-fed but I don't see a whole lot of the over-fed signs on the newer leaves. I'd probably pull off everything on the bottom foot just so I didn't have to look at them anymore. She's a real bushy girl and can spare them. Get a little better air flow going for flower.
 

puertorrican diesel

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So this plant is app. 9 weeks old and about one week post flip, it's GHSC's Trainwreck. The bottom leaves are showing some serious distress, brown spots and a few small ones have some very serious wilting, the top of the plant seems healthy enough, there might be a VERY slight lightening of the leave's color but it's hard to say.

Its grown in a 5 gallon DWC using floranova nutes supplemented with thrivealive and calmag. It's worth mentioning that I wasn't having any issues whatsoever before the flip. I switched to the FN Bloom the day before the flip and started noticing issues approximately 2 days afterwards. I immediately decided to go back to the FN Grow until the stretch was over, thinking that perhaps I shouldn't be depriving the plant of some extra N until after the stretch (this is my first grow and it never occurred to me to do a little research as to when one should be switching to a bloom formula....), but perhaps this was faulty thinking. It's been quite warm here the past week or so and the room has been around 85f during the day, but I don't see any inward curling of the leaves.

As for the pH and PPM, well, there we run into an issue. I purchased a six in one meter off EBay (those blue ones that you can hang on the wall), and it seems to have kicked the bucket after only a few weeks (I hope there is a warranty on the damn thing), reading a pH of 100+ and PPM of about 50 (calibration doesn't help). Still, near as I can tell with some strips, pH seems to be around 6, and with what limited experience I have using FN nutes, the pH buffer seems to work very well. With that said, I may be running the solution a little hot (~1300) and have been doing so for weeks (back when my meter was properly functioning) with no issue, could this finally be catching up with me?

Lastly, I'm used to growing cacti hydroponically so I'm not at all sure what a normal H2O uptake for a plant this size is, but she is going through about half a gallon of water a day. I water when I see it's low, but this could certainly be causing wild fluctuations in the pH/PPM.

So here are some crappy pictures, don't mind the said soil grown siblings in the background, last time I ever grow in soil.....
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The plant really is beastly besides the mentioned problems, I wish I had LST'd a bit. If you can't tell from the pics, the giant fan leaves on the bottom have sort of been tucked under the canopy by some serious knuckling on the branches nodes. Most of the leaves that are showing issues are the ones that are hardly getting any light, is it too late to start yanking some of those off?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!




T.
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puertorrican diesel

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What about temps?

And 1300 is way too much for this stage, I would say its nute burn but let the others to give their opinion.
ITS NOT NUTE BURN., NUTE BURN STARTS FROM THE TIP OF LEAF INWARDS., IT CAN BE DIFFERENT THINGS!! FOLLOW THIS GUIDE!! http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCIQFjAC&url=http://www.rollitup.org/t/guide-to-plant-deficiencies.118601/&ei=m8G1U5XTOPOwsAS4uIHwBQ&usg=AFQjCNEV7KTxZ0rsHcasJ8D25ZIxqf5PzA&sig2=eOptBg4YMohw8zCTcHKoMg
 

puertorrican diesel

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Yea I know 1300 is ridiculous, I slowly raised the PPM over the plants life looking for signs of burn, but saw none. So it is finally catching up with me then? Should I flush before lowering the nutes?

Yea, I know the HPS is a pain. I'll drag it out into another room for a few pictures while I swap out the nutes....

Thanks guys...
THATS NOT NUTE BURN!!
 

TCortese

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Okay, I'll get her into a fresh bloom solution right away. I should be starting the bloom nutes at 1/4 even though she's had a very high ppm her whole vegetative life?
 

TCortese

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Thanks puerto, I've read so many of those guides in the past 24 hours and while I don't see anything that looks exactly like what I have, I now too am not sure about it being over fed. Should I yank off some of the afflicted leaves? Like Bug said, it certainly could use the extra air flow....
 

puertorrican diesel

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Thanks puerto, I've read so many of those guides in the past 24 hours and while I don't see anything that looks exactly like what I have, I now too am not sure about it being over fed. Should I yank off some of the afflicted leaves? Like Bug said, it certainly could use the extra air flow....
of course! Thats what i would do, clip them off, and give her some molasses
 

rob333

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its fine man is ur new growth doing that aswell look like a little deformation from ur nutes as if u seen mine u would freak out just watch ur new grwth if it starts from there might be an issue
 
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