stable at room temp? having troubles.

Hey guys, been recently making these:





and they are fine for 2-3 days, but they slowlyyy start to melt.

ive tried winterizing in the freezer for a week using mid grade, brownish buds, then letting it filter/drain in the freezer and all that. evap for a day or 2 naturally, then into the vac chamber for 2 or so days at 120F. ive also tried vac at 140F which made the bees take 4-5 days to melt, not just 2-3 at 120F. so that seems to be helping.

is that the trick? to vacuum at a higher temp?



ive also made oil with very nice kush, the golden oil, with butane only, no winterizing. then vac at 120F. this golden stuff is more stable than the brown winterized oil... why?!?! is it strain specific?

also, the golden bees.... I got 3.9 grams return from 14g of bud.... 29% return AFTER vaccing for a day if I remember correctly! nice.

I hate to say it vac, i've never seen any pressed or molded oil hold it's shape indefinetly but they make awesome pics. I've never found winterizing to shape my fate when it comes to consistency over strain and terpene load. The only factor I've never been able to explain is why I can make any strain a harder version of itself by running it in kief form. But yieh to get shaped oil to market has to be paired with a viagra strain, I'm on the side of believing the terp's load of each strain basically leaves you with aromatic hydrocarbon solvent soup. Tasty delicious solvent you wanna love, just look at these powerfull badboys weight up against n-hexane.

there has got to be a way to make it solid glass..absolute amber. I thought winterizing would have taken care of that but I guess not.

ive got another batch in the chamber at 150F, well see how that holds up.

sad thing is that its not even warm here yet... still -5 outside, cant imagine in the summer these will melt and lose their detail in 2 hours.

hardest shatter I've ever made was starting with a more polar solvent, obviously..winterizing bho still leaves alot of crap you won't pull with a more polar wash
the flavorful compounds make it wet or greasy, really flavorful hash is gooey, awesome.. to get it hard glass shatter its gonna be pretty strain dependent from my experience unless you just vac it forever. all the psychoactive components have melting points well above room temp so if you get rid of impurities it will be stable..

agreed some of my hardest shatter is from a QWET wash
I feel the polarity of everclear makes the difference
I have some qwet I made a month ago that is just as hard as the day I made it

VP#2 I totally understand if you don't want to share, but how exactly do you get those so perfect. I have been thinking of something similar for quite some time I just usually don't have enough around to truly play with. Love the bees though. Did I see those in a canna mag I picked up at a dispensary in CO? I think that is where I first got the idea.

yeah no problem man... they help sell the oil like crazy! just wish it would stay more stable.

I bust off and pre weigh 1 gram chunks of glass, then melt them into the mold with a hair dryer, then into the freezer for 10 mins to harden real quick. then let warm up for 2 mins otherwise its super super brittle from being cold and will prob crack when removing from the mold, then slowlyyyy peel around the edges trying not to snap the bee!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silicone-Resin-Polymer-Clay-Fimo-Fondant-Flexible-Push-Mold-BUMBLE-BEE-6102-/251472127758?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a8ce8270e

I also got super mario ones!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221389169045?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321137212996?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

these things are tiny, they all happen to hold a gram perfectly.

Thanks for the info man. That is basically exactly what I was going to try. Lol I have totally seen those Mario ones as well in that canna mag.

VP!
Great to see ya around.

Hehe...
Certainly seems like you've stepped up your oil making skills brother.

Like these guys have been saying, alcohol extractions produce stable, rock hard oleoresins.

If you don't have access to material that isn't older than about three months, I suspect the butane route will eventually soften.

3 months seems to be the age to where obtaining a ROCK hard shatter is hit or miss, because of the decarboxylation of the martial.

Use a quick wash with Iso or Everclear, or better yet Ethanol..

As I remember you hate iso.

Nice to see ya posting, eh?
Much respect
Sir dabs

thanks dabs. yeah that brown stuff was def older than 3 months, and the gold stuff was very new so that def makes sense that the gold turned to shatter effortlessly whereas the brown stuff didnt even though I tried every trick in the book on it.

and yeah im not a fan of alcohol extractions, winterizing is cool though.. ive got shatter glass tons of times before though and it has nothing to do with my technique as its been the same for years. starting material is different every single time though, I think thats whats determining the final output

and those marios were in a magazine and everything?? got any links? thats cool. I thought I was the first with these mario ones damnit. I see on ebay they have sold 80 of those bee ones though... im def not the only one doing those to be honest, I stole the idea from someone here for the bees.

there is also a pot leaf mold, which is cool because breaking tiny chunks off the leaves makes a perfect hoot. its hard to break a single, reasonable sized hoot off the bees on the first try.

Don't have a link. I saw them in a local canna mag in Denver. Sitting on the coffee table at the dispensary.