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themanwiththeplan

themanwiththeplan

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I like most of you have heard the bad news. The feds ordering closure of dispensaries. I sure hope the citizens of California, the usa (& the dispensaries) dont bend over and take it dry. I certainly am not.

My fear is this: they start with shutting down all the dispensaries but they end with wiping out prop 215 all together and all doc rec's wont be worth the paper they are printed on!

If California allows this to happen then its just a matter of time before all the other medical states get wiped out. they start with california because its top dog in the mmj industry and figure if they can successfully shut down cali's mmj program that all the other states will shake in fear and comply more easily.

Im not sure what type of scare tactics they are planing on utilizing to get their way but I sure hope we don't ignorantly fall for it.

Lets present the cold hard facts:
Feds go after cali because they are the biggest mmj state out of them all.
Feds are targeting dispensaries because they have store front addresses and its easy to locate and raid them first.
the feds can NOT get us all. Its impossible. even if they brought every piece of military right into california they still couldn't bust every grower, smoker, etc.
So i say stand up to them. The only ones that should really be shitting bricks is the dispensaries.



Im not so sure the Feds can make state/local police enforce their policies over the states prop 215 laws. Dont quote me on that though as im not 100% sure.

My thoughts are we stand up to this. Send a clear message to the gov't that even if they take away our 215 WE aren't going to simply sell off all our grow equipment or stop using mj for our own personal use.

I say we challenge them. You can't expect new results unless you meet them with complete resistance. I hope the officials in california make that known however they will probably be the first to fall in line if the gov't decides to withhold funding to the state. thats probably one of the biggest advantages the feds have over cali in that sense.

However the gov't cant do ANYTHING to us unless they physically come on down and arrest/bust us all one by one. I say good luck to them and a big FUCK YOU.

Oh thanks for lying to us Obama. I appreciate it. You're worse than bush. I never thought i'd say that but i'd rather have him back in office because while we may be waling on pins on needles at least he would leave us be for the most part. I was foolish enough to vote for obama the first time as i though it would really bring a positive change to mmj but i now see the truth and CERTAINLY will be voting for ANYONE who runs against him. I honestly dont care who it is. It could be Charles Manson for all i care. It cant be worse than this.


with that being said I hope ALL OF CALIFORNIA AND ALL MMJ PATIENTS NATIONWIDE STAND UP TO THIS BEFORE MMJ IS A THING OF THE PAST!
 
themanwiththeplan

themanwiththeplan

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i read a few reports online as well as some info i just seen on the Tv and basically the feds aren't touching patients who use/smoke/grow for themselves...more so the commercial operations and those in it for profit and illegal activities associated with mmj (ie. a cardholder selling to those without cards etc)


so MOST of us can rest but i still say the feds are up to something. i honestly don't believe they will just stop at shutting down the "for profit" dispensaries. i say its just the beginning!
 
Luger187

Luger187

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the feds can influence what local and state police do by threatening the governors and mayors. they tell them theyll charge them with some bullshit about not following federal law. so the locals end up sending their cops in to bust the people.
 
Luger187

Luger187

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i think if we really pushed hard and went to the streets with our pro mj position, the people would vote to legalize it federally. or maybe just making it a schedule 2 at least so people can study it, and in a few years legalize it because of the results of those studies. even the people who dont smoke realize its a waste of time and resources when you keep it illegal. why the fuck is alcohol legal? we have huge programs that try to stop drunk driving, and a ton of people die every year anyways. but imagine trying to take alcohol away. it wouldnt happen! so why is mj illegal when it doesnt cause anywhere near the problems alcohol does? simple answer: profit. profit for big pharmaceutical companies.

if we take the money out of politics, the politicians would be beholden to the VOTER, not the CORPORATIONS. when this happens, the corporations would have very little say in governing, since they only consist of a few hundred or a few thousand votes.
 
Filthy Phil

Filthy Phil

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I hope people take to the streets. And so what if there are people in it for profit. It takes a lot of work, we supposed to do it for free? I dont see anyone saying the pharmacuetical companies should work for no profit. As if its not fucking hard enough to find a job already, I got a kid on the way. This is not cool at all.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Filthy Phil said:
I hope people take to the streets. And so what if there are people in it for profit. It takes a lot of work, we supposed to do it for free? I dont see anyone saying the pharmacuetical companies should work for no profit. As if its not fucking hard enough to find a job already, I got a kid on the way. This is not cool at all.
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For some reason it's acceptable to make a profit off of Oxycontin but not bud.
 
themanwiththeplan

themanwiththeplan

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Dan Kone said:
For some reason it's acceptable to make a profit off of Oxycontin but not bud.
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amen. did you see that special on TV they did about (what i like to call) the oxycontin dispensaries in Florida? That shit is insane & i'd say a solid 80% or better didnt need it legitimately.

Filthy Phil said:
I hope people take to the streets. And so what if there are people in it for profit. It takes a lot of work, we supposed to do it for free? I dont see anyone saying the pharmacuetical companies should work for no profit. As if its not fucking hard enough to find a job already, I got a kid on the way. This is not cool at all.
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You make a good point. Growing bud takes work. Just like tomatoes take work to be grown (and they are sold for profit!) There are typical farmers markets where people bring in goods they've grown and sell it for profit. So why should mj be grown and givin away for free (or even at a loss if were talking totally free)?

Im all for them going after the dispensaries conducting illegal activity. Its best for the industry as a whole if those abusing the system to do drug trafficking are eliminated so they can't make the good honest people look bad.

however they are going a little too far imo. Seems like they are trying to make prop 215 go away. Even if they say they are leaving alone patients who have cards who don't break the 215 laws (ie. 8oz bud and 6 plants mature/12 immature if growing).

I still think it STARTS with the dispensaries and ENDS with 215 all together.

Dan Kone said:
you don't have the money to stand up to the government
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I wasn't serious in that sense lol

Luger187 said:
i think if we really pushed hard and went to the streets with our pro mj position, the people would vote to legalize it federally. or maybe just making it a schedule 2 at least so people can study it, and in a few years legalize it because of the results of those studies. even the people who dont smoke realize its a waste of time and resources when you keep it illegal. why the fuck is alcohol legal? we have huge programs that try to stop drunk driving, and a ton of people die every year anyways. but imagine trying to take alcohol away. it wouldnt happen! so why is mj illegal when it doesnt cause anywhere near the problems alcohol does? simple answer: profit. profit for big pharmaceutical companies.

if we take the money out of politics, the politicians would be beholden to the VOTER, not the CORPORATIONS. when this happens, the corporations would have very little say in governing, since they only consist of a few hundred or a few thousand votes.
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you don't have to sell me. Im on the same page.

Luger187 said:
the feds can influence what local and state police do by threatening the governors and mayors. they tell them theyll charge them with some bullshit about not following federal law. so the locals end up sending their cops in to bust the people.
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good valid point. I figured something similar to this...
 
24/7City

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My sentiment is their shutting them down bcuz prop 2 will be put in affect. Think about this. Most of our politicians own stock in pharmaceutics and insurance. If it bcumz schedule 2 they will be the biggest producers... And your insurance will pay for it. Itz their win win. Close down the dispensaries and the they will open their own. Making us buy it from them and not us. Then they will raise the amount of time given for having illegal weed to make ppl get a marijuana card bcuz itz so easy. Money over human help is our government. Why else is tobacco and liq legal? Becuz we cant make it ourselves. U cant hv every1 growing making money thrn it would be 0 regulation. We would all kv money and the world would fall apart becuz over spending would run our resources dry. We hv to hv order but with some sort of compramize. Its all about the money not the medication for the sick, not bcuz its a so called bad drug. They got alot of other shit out there that will kill u and

they make and sell it. Weed will never b legal untill the the government can controle every aspect of it.
 
d.s.m.

d.s.m.

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24/7City said:
My sentiment is their shutting them down bcuz prop 2 will be put in affect. Think about this. Most of our politicians own stock in pharmaceutics and insurance. If it bcumz schedule 2 they will be the biggest producers... And your insurance will pay for it. Itz their win win. Close down the dispensaries and the they will open their own. Making us buy it from them and not us. Then they will raise the amount of time given for having illegal weed to make ppl get a marijuana card bcuz itz so easy. Money over human help is our government. Why else is tobacco and liq legal? Becuz we cant make it ourselves. U cant hv every1 growing making money thrn it would be 0 regulation. We would all kv money and the world would fall apart becuz over spending would run our resources dry. We hv to hv order but with some sort of compramize. Its all about the money not the medication for the sick, not bcuz its a so called bad drug. They got alot of other shit out there that will kill u and

they make and sell it. Weed will never b legal untill the the government can controle every aspect of it.
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Can somebody translate this?
 
Filthy Phil

Filthy Phil

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24/7City said:
My sentiment is their shutting them down bcuz prop 2 will be put in affect. Think about this. Most of our politicians own stock in pharmaceutics and insurance. If it bcumz schedule 2 they will be the biggest producers... And your insurance will pay for it. Itz their win win. Close down the dispensaries and the they will open their own. Making us buy it from them and not us. Then they will raise the amount of time given for having illegal weed to make ppl get a marijuana card bcuz itz so easy. Money over human help is our government. Why else is tobacco and liq legal? Becuz we cant make it ourselves. U cant hv every1 growing making money thrn it would be 0 regulation. We would all kv money and the world would fall apart becuz over spending would run our resources dry. We hv to hv order but with some sort of compramize. Its all about the money not the medication for the sick, not bcuz its a so called bad drug. They got alot of other shit out there that will kill u and

they make and sell it. Weed will never b legal untill the the government can controle every aspect of it.
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Its wierd...we profess to be democratic and capitalist, but we vote in a law and pass it but the government wont respect the democratic process because too many people have the opportunity to conduct business. Does anyone else spot a wolf in sheeps clothing?
 
themanwiththeplan

themanwiththeplan

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24/7City said:
My sentiment is their shutting them down bcuz prop 2 will be put in affect. Think about this. Most of our politicians own stock in pharmaceutics and insurance. If it bcumz schedule 2 they will be the biggest producers... And your insurance will pay for it. Itz their win win. Close down the dispensaries and the they will open their own. Making us buy it from them and not us. Then they will raise the amount of time given for having illegal weed to make ppl get a marijuana card bcuz itz so easy. Money over human help is our government. Why else is tobacco and liq legal? Becuz we cant make it ourselves. U cant hv every1 growing making money thrn it would be 0 regulation. We would all kv money and the world would fall apart becuz over spending would run our resources dry. We hv to hv order but with some sort of compramize. Its all about the money not the medication for the sick, not bcuz its a so called bad drug. They got alot of other shit out there that will kill u and

they make and sell it. Weed will never b legal untill the the government can controle every aspect of it.
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I agree with you. If someone were sitting on a stockpile of lb's of bud it would be like having your own bank account. i think the gov't realizes how valuable mj is so they wanna be the ones with the bankroll.

unfortunately for the gov't growing mj is far easier than making any other "drug" like alcohol, tobacco, coke, meth, etc. so they have a harder time controlling it imo. They also have a harder time catching those responsible for its production because virtually everyone is doing it (in comparison to manufacturing other drugs).

They will never control it. Their best bet (imo) is to just allow dispensaries to stay open and tax them. Tax the dispensaries, the delivery services, the co-ops, etc. then they get their cut. Thats the best its gonna get for them imo. they can shut down the mmj program in cali but its not going to deter it being used/grown especially from most who already have cards and learned how to grow.

i know if they said mmj doesnt mean squat tomorrow that i wouldnt give up so easily and id still grow for myself and family/friends.

ive had a dr rec for 3 yrs or so and *knock on wood* ive never had to use it to show a cop, etc.

if you ask me the gov't has many more things to focus on rather than some mj usage. like the budget, national security (even though osama is dead it doesnt mean the terrorists are through), etc.

If obama wanted to have a better chance at being re-elected he should make good on his budget/jobs promises and find a way to make mmj (not just in cali but all states w/ mmj programs) profitable for everyone. mmj could put people to work AND bring in an amazing amount of tax money.

unfortunately for whatever reason the gov't is too fucking ignorant to see this. Its rather sad actually. Im sure these guys are college educated geniuses when it comes to book smarts but as far as common sense/street smarts they are utter fools.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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If Pfizer decided they wanted to open a MMJ dispensary all this would be legal tomorrow (but just for them, not for us)
 
dbkick

dbkick

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themanwiththeplan said:
I like most of you have heard the bad news. The feds ordering closure of dispensaries. I sure hope the citizens of California, the usa (& the dispensaries) dont bend over and take it dry. I certainly am not.

My fear is this: they start with shutting down all the dispensaries but they end with wiping out prop 215 all together and all doc rec's wont be worth the paper they are printed on!

If California allows this to happen then its just a matter of time before all the other medical states get wiped out. they start with california because its top dog in the mmj industry and figure if they can successfully shut down cali's mmj program that all the other states will shake in fear and comply more easily.

Im not sure what type of scare tactics they are planing on utilizing to get their way but I sure hope we don't ignorantly fall for it.

Lets present the cold hard facts:
Feds go after cali because they are the biggest mmj state out of them all.
Feds are targeting dispensaries because they have store front addresses and its easy to locate and raid them first.
the feds can NOT get us all. Its impossible. even if they brought every piece of military right into california they still couldn't bust every grower, smoker, etc.
So i say stand up to them. The only ones that should really be shitting bricks is the dispensaries.



Im not so sure the Feds can make state/local police enforce their policies over the states prop 215 laws. Dont quote me on that though as im not 100% sure.

My thoughts are we stand up to this. Send a clear message to the gov't that even if they take away our 215 WE aren't going to simply sell off all our grow equipment or stop using mj for our own personal use.

I say we challenge them. You can't expect new results unless you meet them with complete resistance. I hope the officials in california make that known however they will probably be the first to fall in line if the gov't decides to withhold funding to the state. thats probably one of the biggest advantages the feds have over cali in that sense.

However the gov't cant do ANYTHING to us unless they physically come on down and arrest/bust us all one by one. I say good luck to them and a big FUCK YOU.

Oh thanks for lying to us Obama. I appreciate it. You're worse than bush. I never thought i'd say that but i'd rather have him back in office because while we may be waling on pins on needles at least he would leave us be for the most part. I was foolish enough to vote for obama the first time as i though it would really bring a positive change to mmj but i now see the truth and CERTAINLY will be voting for ANYONE who runs against him. I honestly dont care who it is. It could be Charles Manson for all i care. It cant be worse than this.


with that being said I hope ALL OF CALIFORNIA AND ALL MMJ PATIENTS NATIONWIDE STAND UP TO THIS BEFORE MMJ IS A THING OF THE PAST!
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I like that, top dog, heres why the feds are fucking with you , you voted down prop 19 AND you hate being regulated. Colorado has a highly regulated mmj system and will have a highly regulated rec usage as soon as that happens. The high ups are hoping that this will keep the feds out of colorado, cali is notorious for illegit weed in the name of mmj thats why the feds are fucking with you, not because you're top dog, because your system is flawed.
 
colonuggs

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grow your own...keep to yourself....fuck the stores ...most are rip offs anyway.

Its all $$.... thats what its all about anyway

I havent bought any weed in over 20 yrs and I vaporize daily
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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Here's a nice little chart showing Obama as the worst president on MMJ issues: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kampia/obama-from-first-to-worst_b_1001781.html

The good news is that the Feds are broke, and it's showing in this latest little scare fest. Look at it carefully. They have held a press conference, sent a couple letters, and made some phone calls. Looks like they put about 10 bucks into this "crackdown". They're so impotent that they're having the landlords of the dispensaries do the evicting. Where's the nationwide coordinated raids? This is a whole new tactic. It's meant to scare us as much as possible without actually commiting resources to it. If they spent money, the public would be pissed off that precious funds were spent on such a lame issue.
 
themanwiththeplan

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dbkick said:
I like that, top dog, heres why the feds are fucking with you , you voted down prop 19 AND you hate being regulated. Colorado has a highly regulated mmj system and will have a highly regulated rec usage as soon as that happens. The high ups are hoping that this will keep the feds out of colorado, cali is notorious for illegit weed in the name of mmj thats why the feds are fucking with you, not because you're top dog, because your system is flawed.
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The prop 215 system may be one of the problems but it certainly isnt the reason the feds are picking on cali. Prop 215 was passed back in what...95? 96? look how many years have gone by. certainly they would have done something this extreme sometime in the last 15 or so years. I dont think it has to do with the failure of prop 19. if prop 19 passed they probably would say exactly what they are saying now, "its still illegal on the federal level. period" (which is basically the message they are sending out)

I say the go after cali because they are the biggest and the baddest. dont be fooled into thinking corruption in other mmj isn't present. I guarantee you there is illegal sales (and other illegal activiy) associated with mmj in other states no matter HOW regulated they are.

why? any jerkoff can go to a doctor and claim severe migraines or insomnia, etc. no matter the state.

they pick on cali because cali is the mecca of mmj. its the biggest, baddest, highest profit margins, etc.

Who is cali's biggest threat as far as being the leaders in mmj? I can't answer that for certain but they aren't close i know that.

The feds are treating this the same way they would the italian mob or terrorism. go after the biggest and the baddest, knock him off and the rest will follow/be easy.

the feds going after cali's prop 215 clubs made front page in papers outside of the state of california. especially in other mmj states. its to send a message.

if those in charge in california have ANY sense they should stand up to the gov't. If they bend on this one then they are already losing the battle.

mmj in california generates 1+billion a year surely if everyone bands together theres a possibility california can prevail.

Besides the state/gov't really NEEDS the money from mmj if you ask me. its such a large industry (biggest in california). They would be foolish to try and demolish it. Infact as long as things are done by the book and tax is being paid the gov't should practically encourage the mmj industry's growth. It raises SO much money annually that could be used to help out everyone in the nation in one way or another.

the feds don't like it because it gives the power to the people. Having lb's of mj is like having thousands of dollars in the bank. the gov't doesnt want the people to share in the wealth...they want big businesses to take over and monopolize the industry. thats what they want.

they know as long as its in the hands of the people most of the money will go straight into their pockets instead of the gov't.



colonuggs said:
grow your own...keep to yourself....fuck the stores ...most are rip offs anyway.

Its all $$.... thats what its all about anyway

I havent bought any weed in over 20 yrs and I vaporize daily
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im with you. i been growing for 4 years and haven't bought any bud in that time frame. once i think i bought an 8th in between because i ran out 1 wk before a harvest but thats it.

the clubs ARE a ripoff but the money they generate could be put to good use instead of trying to outlaw it.
 
themanwiththeplan

themanwiththeplan

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collective gardener said:
Here's a nice little chart showing Obama as the worst president on MMJ issues: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-kampia/obama-from-first-to-worst_b_1001781.html

The good news is that the Feds are broke, and it's showing in this latest little scare fest. Look at it carefully. They have held a press conference, sent a couple letters, and made some phone calls. Looks like they put about 10 bucks into this "crackdown". They're so impotent that they're having the landlords of the dispensaries do the evicting. Where's the nationwide coordinated raids? This is a whole new tactic. It's meant to scare us as much as possible without actually commiting resources to it. If they spent money, the public would be pissed off that precious funds were spent on such a lame issue.
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i agree and have said this from the beginning: the gov't can not afford to come after everyone themselves. with all the terrorism and the money spent through the recent wars the u.s. felt compelled to stick its nose in their funds are hurting. the usa credit rating dropped from perfect for the first time in history! that tells it all imo.

sure they can commit some money to bust a few of the biggest dispensaries in cali or other states but thats the best they can do. they can't afford the resources to go after those who aren't in the limelight. raiding a place like harborside or such in oakland is easy...they have a physical address you can find online. busting a local delivery service is much harder as is those who grow under the radar but still turn a big profit.

what the feds don't understand is by knocking off a few big clubs all it will do is give business to the smaller growers/vendors out there because there will be a huge demand to fill. its not going to knock the wheels of the system...just give a chance for fresh faces.

i keep saying it but obviously the feds DONT visit this site otherwise they would TAX it and we could all benefit instead of making threats and blowing money to get rid of something that makes money.

they've tried to rub out MJ since idk...the early 1900s and its still here. more powerful than ever.
 
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