Standing your ground in court

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ilkhan

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Find me a hand full of lawyers who know what your talking about and I'll listen.
Some jackass says this like he has found the fountain of youth and off go the dreamers chasing a star.
Look I don't want much just a few lawyers to investigate this.
Don't tell me they are all to "brainwashed" by their schooling to look into something like this.
I would imagine any lawyer worth his salt would be all over this stuff if it was real.
IMO
 
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jeff f

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srryan2 said:
I am not advising anyone take this info into account, I am only stating this is how I would stand in court, you should get a lawyer if you don’t know your capacity and how to exercise your rights on your own. I do not operate in public capacity there four I am not in contract. Contract makes the LAW. the people created the states.... the states created the government.....the government created the public.
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and you should also get a lawyer if your a total flippin idiot who has never stepped foot in a courtroom. dude, your clueless.

let me just say, after being through 2 divorces and some misdimeanor stuff associated with the normal bullshit, you would be locked up in about 1.5 minutes or less. not only would you lose your freedom, but you may just lose your children if they are involved. dude, get a life and go bloviate somewhere else.
 
SmokeyMcChokey

SmokeyMcChokey

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redivider said:
rick i normally do not agree ever with you. but this is what I said at the beginning.

in my city, where the judges find themselves before hardened criminals, they would take their own sock out of their foot and stick it in there himself. i know of a case when the judge put the defendant in contempt of court and he waited in jail 3 months before his trial resumed. the fault? the defendant corrected the judge because he was pronouncing his name wrong. did it twice. the third time he was on his way to jail before he could finish the sentence.

it's bullshit. don't believe what this guy is saying. if you start babbling on like that in court you will end up gagged, or in jail, or like rick said, in psych care....

either way, being a smartass like that won't help you at all.... it will only leave you doing more time than you're supposed to.... you don't have to believe me, but i DARE ANYONE under arrest to blurt out that bullshit..... you will prove me right.....
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If your talkin bout the OP then yea man i would think thats a given. I know if you try to make the judge look stupid you are going to end up face on the floor in cuffs in 21.4 seconds. lol Im pretty sure that guy said in his post that it never actually happened but thats how he imagined he would be able to play it. Unfortunately it wouldnt happen like that. If that was the case all a lawyer would hae to do is talk babble for 5 minutes until charges were dropped
 
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Im just starting to think this dude was fucking with us from the start nobody could be this stupid
 
SmokeyMcChokey

SmokeyMcChokey

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Im just starting to think this dude was fucking with us from the start nobody could be this stupid
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the OP? because thats possible but he did appear genuine just kinda a stonery moment. Ill promote any one to question their system though. lord knows that it needs some reform. It would be odd if a city had to gag 20 people a month for a single plant cultivation charge.
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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Anyone dumb enough to take an adversarial stance with a court that has basically unlimited powers these days is a fucking idiot, it doesn't matter if you are right morally it only matters that you take the wisest course of action to minimize your own sufferring. That doesn't mean giving in but it does mean not being a dick and talking bullshit to a judge. You have high moral ground to stand on then stand on it like a wise man not a wise ass.
 
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NoDrama

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ViRedd said:
Cool, numbnuts. And the next time you're in trouble, you know, like when your wife or little daughter is raped, go to the nearest bar and ask a drunk to help you out. :wall:
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And while i somewhat agree with where your coming from, I mean after all the police are people too. But you know something, If my wife or daughter were raped, having the police around makes fuck all difference after the fact. Now if they were there and stopped the rape from happening in the first place then oh yeah they are the shit, but when was the last time a cop stopped a crime from happening?
 
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srryan2

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Blacks' Law Dictionary, 5th Edition declares on page 2287' The omission of the Christian name by either plaintiff or defendant in legal process, prevents the court from acquiring jurisdiction, there being no other description or identification and no appearance of waiver of process......

YOU DO NOT HAVE A LEGAL NAME, it is a TRADE NAME only used for COMMERCE, and IDENTIFICATION.

You will have to address the issue with the COURTS by getting them to correct their FLAW in their paperwork. If you don't correct or get them to correct this FLAW and do not address the jurisdiction aspect, then the assumption of jurisdiction is there.

Once you SHOW up Generally in COURT, they have jurisdiction, for you would have corrected any FLAW in their paperwork.

RickWhite said:
You don't know a single thing about law or how our legal system works. Everything you are saying is nothing but blatantly false gibberish. You should be banned from this forum and this thread locked. Until then, I urge everyone to disregard everything posted by you and I urge you to seek professional help. To be honest, I detect a strong indication of schizophrenia in your posts. Are you supposed to be taking medication by any chance?
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redivider

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try you're black law out.

if it was this easy to get out of jail, there wouldn't be anyone in jail in the first place.

if i were a DA and were faced with someone like you babbling on about jurisdiction, i would request that you be gagged for the duration of the proceeding, because all statements you make will contaminate a jury (the judge will definetly agree), followed by a subpoena of your parents to answer in court if you are who the court thinks you are. if they refuse to answer, they go to jail until they do.

at that point it's up to you, either your parents in jail, or yourself.

END OF STORY.
 
RickWhite

RickWhite

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srryan2 said:
Blacks' Law Dictionary, 5th Edition declares on page 2287' The omission of the Christian name by either plaintiff or defendant in legal process, prevents the court from acquiring jurisdiction, there being no other description or identification and no appearance of waiver of process......

YOU DO NOT HAVE A LEGAL NAME, it is a TRADE NAME only used for COMMERCE, and IDENTIFICATION.

You will have to address the issue with the COURTS by getting them to correct their FLAW in their paperwork. If you don't correct or get them to correct this FLAW and do not address the jurisdiction aspect, then the assumption of jurisdiction is there.

Once you SHOW up Generally in COURT, they have jurisdiction, for you would have corrected any FLAW in their paperwork.
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I'm sure what ever it is you are quoting is taken completely out of context and something you don't understand. Legal proceedings can take place in the name of an alias such as John Doe. You have heard of Row Vs Wade haven't you? You know Jane Row really isn't her name don't you?

Here is some advise - don't try to play Mr amateur lawyer. All you are doing is making yourself look like a horse's ass and you will get your self into a heap of trouble.

And make an appointment with a psychologist. You rambling sound like schizophrenia or perhaps Asperger's syndrome.
 
jeff f

jeff f

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srryan2 said:
Blacks' Law Dictionary, 5th Edition declares on page 2287' The omission of the Christian name by either plaintiff or defendant in legal process, prevents the court from acquiring jurisdiction, there being no other description or identification and no appearance of waiver of process......

YOU DO NOT HAVE A LEGAL NAME, it is a TRADE NAME only used for COMMERCE, and IDENTIFICATION.

You will have to address the issue with the COURTS by getting them to correct their FLAW in their paperwork. If you don't correct or get them to correct this FLAW and do not address the jurisdiction aspect, then the assumption of jurisdiction is there.

Once you SHOW up Generally in COURT, they have jurisdiction, for you would have corrected any FLAW in their paperwork.
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call me stupid but the conversation ususally goes like this

officer bartkowski, do you see the perpetrator in the court room?

yes judge he is sitting right there....

i dont think the judge gives a flying flip what your name is, only that you can be positively identified by the "victim".

maybe when you get to high school you can go on a class trip to a real court and see how they do things. you are seriously deranged if you think your strategy WONT land you in a cell with a large man who wants to cuddle
 
bubbleobill

bubbleobill

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Nice to see a few of my posts from the first page of this thread were deleted.

What kind of political discussion involves censorship?

Cocksmokers. You can see how the thread played out....you cannot force people to foloow your ignorant and hateful ways. Try reasoning next time. and if you can't give good reasons, then you probably don't have a good argument.
 
SmokeyMcChokey

SmokeyMcChokey

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bubbleobill said:
Nice to see a few of my posts from the first page of this thread were deleted.

What kind of political discussion involves censorship?

Cocksmokers. You can see how the thread played out....you cannot force people to foloow your ignorant and hateful ways. Try reasoning next time. and if you can't give good reasons, then you probably don't have a good argument.
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it wasnt me and i didnt reprt them either. I must admit i thought about it though. Oh well just post your feelings now without insulting me and you wont have to worry about them being deleted
Edit: quit rambling about peoples points. If you dont like what they have to say there is a big red button with an x in it at the top right of your screen, do us all a favor and just click it.
 
bubbleobill

bubbleobill

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Edit: quit rambling about peoples points. If you dont like what they have to say there is a big red button with an x in it at the top right of your screen, do us all a favor and just click it.
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Rambling about people's points?
This is a discussion FORUM. The political section no less.
It's really hard to speak some common sense and not insult your intelligence at the same time at the moment.
 
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ilkhan

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If this shit is real then any lawyer worth his salt would be all over it.
Look, I'm willing to believe it.
But you gotta have legal preciedent.
Once that is established and verifiable then great.
Otherwise its a pipe dream.
 
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srryan2

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Anything on paper is FICTIONAL, can writing on a piece of paper identify you ?
If the one asking for your name does not know you, are you obligated to enter into contract with them ?
Why would I do business with someone I do not know, since they are asking for a trade name and not the real name of a man, which can be anything you wish it to be. I was told by the woman who said she was my mother I was born in the state of xxx and told my name is so and so I was told I was born on the day xx of the month xxx but I have no frame of reference to the event and as so is pure speculation and not fact. Are you willing to accept these speculations as evidents? Although the judge could accept speculations as facts to get what they want and that is statutory contracts.
Your name (IN ALL CAPS) is your(PERSON) transmitting utility it is how you operate in commerce you can use it to pay taxes, fines, traffic tickets, pay in SSN, get credit cards, open a bank account so on..
 
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redivider

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srryan2 said:
Anything on paper is FICTIONAL, can writing on a piece of paper identify you ?
If the one asking for your name does not know you, are you obligated to enter into contract with them ?
Why would I do business with someone I do not know, since they are asking for a trade name and not the real name of a man, which can be anything you wish it to be. I was told by the woman who said she was my mother I was born in the state of xxx and told my name is so and so I was told I was born on the day xx of the month xxx but I have no frame of reference to the event and as so is pure speculation and not fact. Are you willing to accept these speculations as evidents? Although the judge could accept speculations as facts to get what they want and that is statutory contracts.
Your name (IN ALL CAPS) is your(PERSON) transmitting utility it is how you operate in commerce you can use it to pay taxes, fines, traffic tickets, pay in SSN, get credit cards, open a bank account so on..
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right on buddy, mouth off to a judge like that, see where it gets you...

keeps preaching this whole i'm not a name, i'm a person, this is a contract/metaphysical/who's who bullshit....

i'd rather do thing my way and be a free man, than try you're way out and be in jail.....
 
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