STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

puffenuff

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All this back and forth talk about leds and how they're not ready for commercial growing is ridiculous. The guys saying it's not there yet aren't even willing to try leds over ONE of their trays to see how it works firsthand. Instead, they will wait until they see others doing full blown commercial setups. That's not in the spirit of innovation at all. That's a "i'm scared to try new things" attitude. You guys can say, "leds are only good for closet grows" and that's bullshit because all you have to do is try it over one tray first, then if you like the results, then you can worry about the rest of your op. What's so hard about figuring out how to scale someone's small grow as an example into a large grow? This isn't rocket science yet everyone wants to make it more complicated than what it really is. Just my rant for the day, JUST TRY IT.
 

Clonex

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All this back and forth talk about leds and how they're not ready for commercial growing is ridiculous. The guys saying it's not there yet aren't even willing to try leds over ONE of their trays to see how it works firsthand. Instead, they will wait until they see others doing full blown commercial setups. That's not in the spirit of innovation at all. That's a "i'm scared to try new things" attitude. You guys can say, "leds are only good for closet grows" and that's bullshit because all you have to do is try it over one tray first, then if you like the results, then you can worry about the rest of your op. What's so hard about figuring out how to scale someone's small grow as an example into a large grow? This isn't rocket science yet everyone wants to make it more complicated than what it really is. Just my rant for the day, JUST TRY IT.
Umm who's ranting now ? i run 4x600w hps , there are not four panels out there that offer the same coverage i currently get, full stop my friend, this is factual not a rant , if you know of any , feel free to link us.
 

tokenbrownguy

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I haven't read all 37 pages of this thread, but does anyone know a good led light for a personal grow? Right now, I have a 250 hps, doing a good job, but for the quality buds I'm looking for I need more lights. Yet, I need to keep heat and electricity use down...the price for an led to supplement my grow is not an issue...any input? Sorry if I hijacked, but it seems that was done a while ago...thanks ahead of time!
 

puffenuff

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Umm who's ranting now ? i run 4x600w hps , there are not four panels out there that offer the same coverage i currently get, full stop my friend, this is factual not a rant , if you know of any , feel free to link us.
I admitted to ranting! Haha, and there ARE lights out that will perform as well as a 600w hps. look at advancedledlights.com or blackdogled.com. You should find some there that will replace your lights. the question is, are you willing to try them without seeing someone else do it first?
 

Clonex

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I admitted to ranting! Haha, and there ARE lights out that will perform as well as a 600w hps. look at advancedledlights.com or blackdogled.com. You should find some there that will replace your lights. the question is, are you willing to try them without seeing someone else do it first?
Read the whole thread , i have tried them , or else i would be typing for the sake of it , what a waste of time that would be , my panels were 1100£ each and the penatration or coverage were not there , and why im on it , nor were the bud density anywhere near as good, doh! put your chest away :-)
 

puffenuff

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Read the whole thread , i have tried them , or else i would be typing for the sake of it , what a waste of time that would be , my panels were 1100£ each and the penatration or coverage were not there , and why im on it , nor were the bud density anywhere near as good, doh! put your chest away :-)
Price of a panel is meaningless. What year, what specs? You need to calm down buddy because I havent even started beating my chest (no reason to anyway) and fuck off with your smiley faces trying to be cute.
 

Clonex

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!1 thing the LED's did do , was make for pretty pictures , some of the light reflections were amazing , but , they didnt pay the bills :-)
 

Clonex

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Price of a panel is meaningless. What year, what specs? You need to calm down buddy because I havent even started beating my chest (no reason to anyway) and fuck off with your smiley faces trying to be cute.
Trying to be cute lol i smile because im always happy , wtf is wrong with you!!

http://www.smartlightingshop.com/600w-grow-light/600-watt-led-grow-light.html

Before telling me to F*** oFF use your eyes and read the thread .
^^^^^ <---- (commonly known as "beating your chest")
Define "meaningless"? ranting on a thread you have not read.....:-) <----cute huh
 

puffenuff

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Telling me to put my chest away followed by a smiley face shows a sense of smugness hence the fuck off with that shit. Thanks for the link, but if you think that light is even remotely close to the lights I linked to you, then youre incredibly misinformed.
 

puffenuff

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I haven't read all 37 pages of this thread, but does anyone know a good led light for a personal grow? Right now, I have a 250 hps, doing a good job, but for the quality buds I'm looking for I need more lights. Yet, I need to keep heat and electricity use down...the price for an led to supplement my grow is not an issue...any input? Sorry if I hijacked, but it seems that was done a while ago...thanks ahead of time!
What size space and how many plants for your personal space? I can suggest some given more info.
 

Clonex

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Telling me to put my chest away followed by a smiley face shows a sense of smugness hence the fuck off with that shit. Thanks for the link, but if you think that light is even remotely close to the lights I linked to you, then youre incredibly misinformed.
That was 3 years ago and i have trialed 2x 2011 models , and yes i am smug so ?
 
There's a lot to learn about LEDs. It is not as simple as HPS, bulb plus socket, plus ballast, and reflector.... I'm sure you know this, LEDs run on multiple smaller diodes. Some 120 degree angles lenses, some 90 degree angles lenses, some 60 and 45 degree angles lenses. Then some 1 watt, some 2 watt, some 3 watt. And some even 5 watt... Whatever...

The higher the watt individual diode, the better the penetration. And more importantly, the narrower the lens angle of each diode, the better the penetration. 60 degree penetrates really well (that's what she said). Anything more, you're just spreading your light out too much. It's like trying to spread an HPS out too much. Like 400 watt HPS for a 12 x 12 room. You wont get results...

Anyway, there's a lot of shady LED companies out there. Hydrogrow LED.... Cammie MnKenzie, their owner? Used to be Cameron Scott Wieldraayer, a race car parts salesman before the sex change, (s)he did this because (s)he was dodging the law and those he ripped off. "Mike " from Grow Led Hydro, is also known as Irishboy, a "3rd party" grower doing "grow journals" for "Mike". Promoting his own products... Then there is the Chinese knockoffs... And the insane claims, 90 watts equal 400 watts HID. My fatass it equals that much...

Long story short, I am an HPS user, as well LED. I have dealt with the LED lies, I have spent lots of money on many LED false promises. And have dealt with less than acceptable yields with them... Currently, I am running 3 different LEDs and 1 HPS (400 watt). 2 of the 3 LEDs perform slightly better than CFLs (HTG and Blackstar), and the 3rd, not sure the name brand, I got it used, watt for watt, it performs better than my 400 watt HPS. For larger grows, I cannot see why multiple panels of the same light cannot be possible to cover a larger area. I use 3 to cover a good portion of my grow area. The same can be applied for even bigger areas.

I do agree though, LEDs are expensive. And it is hard to find a good one. Unlike HPS. How long does it take to find a good HPS setup for the un-knowledged? Fast. How long does it take to find a good LED? I speak from experience, a long fucking time. I spent a lot of money, wasted a lot of time, but kept looking, and found good LEDs, though expensive, they perform well.

This is the way I see it: If you are able to manage the heat, HPS is a great option. I've used 400s and 600s, I was happy with them. LED is good if you can not deal with large amounts of heat, but will cost more up front. A lot more. I enjoy my LEDs, they are great in the summer time, it is hot where I live... I like HPS in the winter and cooler months out of the year.

I also agree, LEDs do better with shorter plants than taller plants, but also, each lighting method calls for different growing situations... There are many different growing styles, match your growing style up with your lighting method, and do it right, you'll get the most out of what you're doing.

I'm bored of LED vs. HPS forum arguments, I use both lights, and like both lights. I have stated my opinion of them, and at this time in my life, I choose to use both LED, and HPS in my garden. I get practical results with both.
......whoa whoa whoa , did everyone else miss this , mike from growledhydro is irish boy!?!?!? NOOO FUCKIN WAY ..... really? if so that is fucked up and he is tricking alot of people inot buying his shit . anyone care to elaborate?
 

curly604

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hey so i dont know when this thread was started but leds are gonna be huge coming up soon here in my opinion. many places in the world have already banned incandescent bulbs.... how long till they ban hps for the same reasons. this is what i grew under my 120w chineese 2 specrum led ( red and blue) running at about 60-80 true watts and dreid i pulled 2 oz's of some of the nicest stuff ive seen around , im very happy with this out come as this was my first led and first hydro run with alot of fuck ups so next time and with my new light i will be pumping out some very nice numbers :).[video=youtube;HjZ7kZxdQ2E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZ7kZxdQ2E[/video]
 

MurshDawg

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It seems the consensus is "You get what you pay for" and I can agree with that. I have watched LEDs advance from little panel lights barely used in filming to 3 wat per diode efficient light producing devices. I think there is a lot of promise for LEDs but little in means of current advancements. The biggest Thing I have heard of is the incorporation with multi spectrum coloring. They'll use three or four different reds and blues to meet up with PAR. The higher end products work nice (from what I hear) but I don't have a couple grand to throw away on one lighting solution. That's why I went with Multispectrum lighting with T5s. I had an epiphany and my research led me to some folks that came to the same conclusions. Please feel free to check out LED without LEDs thread. You'll at least find it informative. [video=youtube;_0e9uaQukus]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0e9uaQukus[/video]
 

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Clonex

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They still are not any use in a large scale commercial operation , none of the 2 above posts are anything new , future ? ...maybe, but not now.
 

virulient

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I feel like we all came to the same conclusion. Until we get more watts, per diode, LED's simply won't provide the depth of coverage (aka penetration) for commercial style grows. So we all agreed on that and this thread died for a few days....then someone comes along and says "I THINK MY LEDS OUT PERFORM A 600W HPS, THEYRE AWESOME-O" and the thread starts allllll over again....

In conclusion : LED's are very effective when put in the proper environment. Any grow utilizing tall plant that need to bud all the way down to the rockwool almost...simply is NOT the environment for a panel utilizing 3w diode. Regardless of the lens angle.

Now everyone agree with me and we will all be content until next week. When someone says
LED>HPS or HPS>LED again. Then we can start from the beginning......again. :joint::blsmoke::eyesmoke:
 
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