Stealth Hydro Sucks!

purpdaddy

Well-Known Member
Yeah your dead on Illegal.. To bad purp, roseman, and probably this thoughts twerp are toolbags pushing an agenda rather than knowledge and logic.

In any case, love John Prine. Thanks for the back up. I know I gotta learn from this mistake. I won't buy anything online with a debit card again that is for sure. And I'll never buy from stealthhydro at all.

All I ever wanted to do was warn people in the grower community about what they did to me. I've done that. Sucks they still toss bs around. But it bumps my thread.

P.s. still no refund in my account.
Too bad for purp? i didnt fucked out anymoney ever from them so they are A1 in my book.I dont own the company,rep for them or receive any income from sales..But i bet you never thought of that(might be hard to find a lawyer).If you didnt cuss em out on the phone,why are they being mean to just you..you had to play a role in this situation too for them to be acting like that.
 

<stealthgrowing>

Active Member
Hey purp, It matters less how he talked to them, than whether or not they upheld their end of the business agreement.... He has every right to be pissed if they truly ripped him off. Anyone in customer service that resorts to hanging up on a customer because they are pissed at them, ought not be in customer service. Oh, we got your money, we ain't shipped you shit, and now I'm gonna hang up on you bitch. I would be blow a gasket... They need to make it right pronto...
 

purpdaddy

Well-Known Member
Hey purp, It matters less how he talked to them, than whether or not they upheld their end of the business agreement.... He has every right to be pissed if they truly ripped him off. Anyone in customer service that resorts to hanging up on a customer because they are pissed at them, ought not be in customer service. Oh, we got your money, we ain't shipped you shit, and now I'm gonna hang up on you bitch. I would be blow a gasket... They need to make it right pronto...
Shit my ass..if you talk to someone in a decent manner,they not just gonna treat anyone like this,i dont think they shoose to pick on just him?
I have my own business,it involves delivery of medical equipment.People expect us to bring the equipment right then..Well it takes atleast 30 days to get medicare to approve ANYTHING..Ill tell the customer,before,you gotta wait 30 days..theyll call back next wek..You heard anything?No mam or sir it takes 30 days i will get a fax from them when they get to you..2 more days pass they call again,wheres my stuff,i give em the same answere.They get a lil more pissed off.Still nothing i can do.They end up calling again pissed off cursing cause they aint got their equipment.Ill explain again but the second they start talkin out the side of their neck is when i tell them to find a new supplier and to come pick up the prescription.So i know how customers can be over the phone..In their case they are waiting on insurance to pay,in yours you already gave them the money.Which if a company had my 300.00 i would be as nice as i could to them so you will get your shit so we can show how to use this system.You wont be sorry.Or just go to their site,look at the parts and make one.im making one.I can tell u exactly where to pick up what.
 
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Illegal Smile

Guest
Hey purp, It matters less how he talked to them, than whether or not they upheld their end of the business agreement.... He has every right to be pissed if they truly ripped him off. Anyone in customer service that resorts to hanging up on a customer because they are pissed at them, ought not be in customer service. Oh, we got your money, we ain't shipped you shit, and now I'm gonna hang up on you bitch. I would be blow a gasket... They need to make it right pronto...
They shipped me an RO unit that had been unpacked, parts removed and repacked. I've never heard a word back from them about it, guess I wasn't nice enough. Fortunately the company that made it "does" stand behind their product and shipped me everything no charge.
 

SimplyBaked

Well-Known Member
Dude if you cant make one of these systems you DONT need to be growing cause growing a succesfull crop is much harder...seriously im not the DIY type of person but i can make one with my eyes closed.
300.00..yea id be pretty angry..How did you come at them on the phone?Im sure you werent the nicest person either.were you?please correct me if im wrong but its natural to throw up defenses when you got someone persecuting you for your bad business...Ill talk with martin and see exactly how you talked to em and how they responded.

Who would actually call and be the nicest person when they weren't told their shipment was on backorder, then the dame guy wont bring up the tracking report..then he hangs up...if he couldn't hack it then he shouldnt of signed up for the job...im not sayin he's rigth for calling them assholes and what not, but cmon now, if u spent 300 dollars and didnt get product or money back.then you call the company and someone hangs up in ur face( total disrespect from a worker) then there's isnt too much ud have to say thats nice about them!

srry that happend to u...there's always an idiot at every job...maybe 2
 

JimmyPot

Well-Known Member
Patience is virtue.You should of just waited for the back order.Did you in reality decide you were spending too much money?
 

purpdaddy

Well-Known Member
Who would actually call and be the nicest person when they weren't told their shipment was on backorder, then the dame guy wont bring up the tracking report..then he hangs up...if he couldn't hack it then he shouldnt of signed up for the job...im not sayin he's rigth for calling them assholes and what not, but cmon now, if u spent 300 dollars and didnt get product or money back.then you call the company and someone hangs up in ur face( total disrespect from a worker) then there's isnt too much ud have to say thats nice about them!

srry that happend to u...there's always an idiot at every job...maybe 2
oh i feel him 100%.Im just tryin to tell him how to PLAY the game.Youll catch more bees with honey than vinegar...Ok at this time SH has the upper hand,they got the money and product.To establish a gateway to a stronghold on them would not be cursing or getting out of line.You want your product or money back now you have to play their game..m so sorry this happened to you bro and i really do hope you get this system..if you want we can go PM and ill tell you exactly where to buy what if you want.I understand your in the hole 300.00 but i can show you the same system DIY for 80.00 or under.Hollr if you interested
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
I canceled an order with them on August 24th, on the phone, that I made on August 17th, and it was taken off my credit card on August 29th. 5 days was not so bad to me.
 

stankdank1

Active Member
I got punked for $800.00 from a storage company. I closed my account, and had documentation showing date and everything. They kept charging my card for 2 months 400.00 a month. I called every week verrrrrry nice, spread honey all over his ass and all he did was shine me on for weeks. He was just avoiding the situation because he didn't know how to file the paper work and was afraid of getting in trouble from his bosses(as I found out from his boss), Finally I called him and asked if he was in his office that I was standing on the street in front of. I offered to fuck him up on site if I didn't get resolution to the issue. 2 months, recorded phone calls, disputed with bank, nothing worked but offering to fuck someone up!!!!! I was sitting on my couch in another city. His boss called me back in 2 minutes. I totally feel your anger and these guys who are telling you to be nice don't understand that they are not like every other customer service person in the world. Hell I was a customer service all-star at Nordstrom's when I was a kid. Doesn't mean that every other person in the business was. Raise HELL MAN!!!!!! Its your hard earned money!!!
 

nikk

Active Member
I got punked for $800.00 from a storage company. I closed my account, and had documentation showing date and everything. They kept charging my card for 2 months 400.00 a month. I called every week verrrrrry nice, spread honey all over his ass and all he did was shine me on for weeks. He was just avoiding the situation because he didn't know how to file the paper work and was afraid of getting in trouble from his bosses(as I found out from his boss), Finally I called him and asked if he was in his office that I was standing on the street in front of. I offered to fuck him up on site if I didn't get resolution to the issue. 2 months, recorded phone calls, disputed with bank, nothing worked but offering to fuck someone up!!!!! I was sitting on my couch in another city. His boss called me back in 2 minutes. I totally feel your anger and these guys who are telling you to be nice don't understand that they are not like every other customer service person in the world. Hell I was a customer service all-star at Nordstrom's when I was a kid. Doesn't mean that every other person in the business was. Raise HELL MAN!!!!!! Its your hard earned money!!!
wow,if i was the dude on the phone i woulda told you to come fuck me up,and i probably woulda told you that im going to the strip club with your money,and im bringing you wife with me along with your growing aspirations.....just joking
 

stankdank1

Active Member
LOL, my wife is hot and loves vegas(strip clubs) & pot. I was astonished it worked, but you get the point. Every situation and person is different. You can be nice as can be and still get fucked over. I wouldn't go raging into some office to beat someone up over $800.00. Well maybe if I was told that about my money and my wife, but sill no. I would be impressed by the balls. I did how ever record 4 weeks of calls(lawyer told me to record myself politely trying to recover my losses). Print e-mails trying in the same manner. Go through all the trouble that would make some people beat some one up or break some window's. So I understand, and good luck dude.

Nikk your funny dude.
 

fever

Member
you got you money back as yet? I'd say you should have it back by Weds. if they didnt ship it , if they did you have to refuse and wait so more
 

purpdaddy

Well-Known Member
wow,if i was the dude on the phone i woulda told you to come fuck me up,and i probably woulda told you that im going to the strip club with your money,and im bringing you wife with me along with your growing aspirations.....just joking
hahaha..lol.
 
I used to be a proud Bubblehead, but have since turned in my gang colors and have become independent after reading this. I tried logging into my account on 420 and found I had been banned. So I sent a message to the mods asking why and got this reply. Now after reading up on him online, I see this is a long time drama for many others as well.



From Martin Wiggett of Stealth Hydro

420Magazine has removed the Bubbleponics specific forums Stealth Hydro negotiated as a part of our advertising package. In my opinion this action constitutes a breach of our agreement. As such, I am requesting a refund for the remaining 6 months that your company will not be honoring the original agreement.

I suggest you contact us ASAP to arrange this refund. Ignoring my emails will almost certainly lead to a legal escalation of the matter. Is this really what you want? I'll give you another 24 hours to respond, at which point I'll have my attorney start drafting some paperwork at your expense.

Martin Wiggett
SH Hydroponics, Inc.

From 420

Martin,

Unfortunately, we never heard of this and see nothing about it in our signed sponsorship agreement.

Greg Rosenthal (Roseman), Rick Mensen (MostlyCrazy) and all of their followers caused us thousands of hours of work with all of their constant violations of guidelines and childish drama.

If anything, we should be sending you guys a bill for all of the workload you caused us, which also caused a loss of dozens of long time members.

This "Bubblehead Gang" you are in control of has been kicked out of every site they ever went to, why?

Because they try to take over the site and push people out and act in a total passive aggressive manner behind the scenes, like a day care center filled with children.

Greg had a temper tantrum and left our site to begin with, telling his followers that he was leaving and that he would not be back and that they were developing a new home.

You expect us to allow him to recruit our members for a competing website? If anything we could have shut off your advertising then for violating our sponsorship agreement.

If your people cause any more drama violating our guidelines with recruiting/poaching for your new website, then we will exercise our rights to terminate you advertising with no refund whatsoever.

We will not be issuing you a refund and I suggest you stop harassing us if you want the remainder to continue.

We have complied with every aspect of our agreement, therefore we feel there is nothing more to discuss.

Read our agreement, you will understand your rights in this matter.

Thank you.

Martin's Reply
Greetings 420 Stoner Idiots;

I'd call you by your name but you obviously don't have the stones to sign your email with an actual name, so I will refer to you as the next most fitting description I could think of... "the stoner idiot from 420Mag".

First order of business... pull my banners immediately; it is my intention to cease Stealth Hydro's remaining visibility on 420 MAGAZINE and I will be seeking a refund for the 6 month period for which the majority of our negotiated service has been removed. You may consider this a legal notification of my intentions.


The stoner idiot from 420Mag worte:
"Unfortunately, we never heard of this and see nothing about it in our signed sponsorship agreement."

Did you, or did you not, create the "Bubbleponics Forums" and then delete them? You don't have to actually answer this question; it's rhetorical!

And if you like... we can play this game that you never had permission to use the trademark "Bubbleponics"; is this what you want to do? Let's see, it's an internationally recognized, US registered trademark, and you guys used that term pretty extensively for the last 6 months on a "for-profit" website. So, was that without permission then? You still want to deny some form of agreement?


The stoner idiot from 420Mag worte:
"Greg Rosenthal (Roseman), Rick Mensen (MostlyCrazy) and all of their followers caused us thousands of hours of work with all of their constant violations of guidelines and childish drama. If anything, we should be sending you guys a bill for all of the workload you caused us, which also caused a loss of dozens of long time members. This "Bubblehead Gang" you are in control of has been kicked out of every site they ever went to, why?"

NEWSFLASH!!! We, Stealth Hydro, don't "control" any group (other than our employees). The Bubbleheads are an independent organization centered around a product we produce; that is the entire scope of our involvement. We certainly don't involve ourselves with any of the politics.

As far as my relationship with 420Mag goes... I paid for a service, simple as that. You obviously no longer want to provide that service, yet, you insist on being paid for the 6 months that the service is not being provided. It does not work like that... FYI.

It's a really bad idea when stoners apply their model of business to the real world. You might want to pay attention to the following important point: we're NOT dealing drugs here you moron! You are EXACTLY what makes this industry look bad. I suggest learning how to be a business man if you want to play in the real world.


The stoner idiot from 420Mag worte:
"Because they try to take over the site and push people out and act in a total passive aggressive manner behind the scenes, like a day care center filled with children. Greg had a temper tantrum and left our site to begin with, telling his followers that he was leaving and that he would not be back and that they were developing a new home."

Like I said, we don't get involved with the politics. You're the forum host; that's your doing. Sounds like you both had a bit of a blow out. And, seriously, go back a re-read your email, carefully... don't you feel like an idiot for accusing someone else of being childish?

The stoner idiot from 420Mag worte:
"You expect us to allow him to recruit our members for a competing website? If anything we could have shut off your advertising then for violating our sponsorship agreement."

What competing website? You kicked them out before any other website was created. And what, they can't tell their friends what you did to them? All we did is create for them what we PAID you to do for them initially. If you had not freaked out, we would not have had to create another site for them to post their daily thoughts.

You really should consider dropping your drug use for a while; your ability to define simple logic has been greatly impaired.


The stoner idiot from 420Mag worte:
If your people cause any more drama violating our guidelines with recruiting/poaching for your new website, then we will exercise our rights to terminate you advertising with no refund whatsoever.

"Your people"; that's a very interesting way to put it... is that how you think of the individuals on your precious little website, Moses? Let's get this straight; I don't control any group of individuals; the Bubbleheads are their own organization; this was not a creation of my company. You know exactly who their leaders are and how to reach them should you have any claims of loss or
damages.

You know... kinda like; I'd like to pay out for your personal damages because world peace has not yet be attained; but I'm not going to... understand the metaphor now, dumb ass? Wow, your lack of legal and business perception is astounding.


The stoner idiot from 420Mag worte:
"We will not be issuing you a refund" ...

Well, I figured you already spent the money on weed and other drugs, and that you don't have any cash left to be able to issue a refund. My wife's brother is also a junkie... I understand.

The stoner idiot from 420Mag worte:
"and I suggest you stop harassing us if you want the remainder to continue."

Such vicious threats... I already told you to pull the banner. So, I guess that would mean your request is denied, I will not stop pursuing my refund (if that's what you mean by "harassing"). It's obviously bugging you, so definately a good reason to continue.

The next step would be for us to file suit in small claims court here in Michigan against you. Since you probably will not show up; we'll win the judgment and then we'll simply send you through the collections system. Those guys will hound you for the rest of time.


The stoner idiot from 420Mag worte:
"We have complied with every aspect of our agreement, therefore we feel there is nothing more to discuss."

Well, clearly we disagree on that point, so you'll get an opportunity to express your opinion of the matter in small claims court up here in Michigan... we'll let you know when you should show up :-)

BTW, the mere fact that you guys had Bubbleponics specific forums and then deleted them supports my claim; you'd be really hard pressed to take a hard nosed "legal" contractual approach in a relatively informal setting like small claims court... and, well, you'd have to make that point out here, which is doubtful, as it means you'll actually have to be face to face with an adversary instead having the internet to cower behind. I doubt you have the balls to face up to anyone.


The stoner idiot from 420Mag worte:
"Read our agreement, you will understand your rights in this matter."

I understand my rights fully; apparently, a tad more comprehensively than you do; go roll another joint loser... I'm curious; do you actually get high when there are no brain cells left to kill?

I do believe I'd better start compiling some letters to all of your sponsors to warn them of what kind of business man you are; I'm suddenly overcome with a feeling morale obligation to warn them that their long term contracts that are at risk of being pulled for no reason.

Or, what about... I send a that list of customers to my buddy in the DEA to compile a letter with a nice friendly DEA letterhead informing them of the their inherent risk of federal conspiracy charges resulting from advertising on a website like yours. Oh, boy... you've really opened up a can of worms now... so many ways to have fun :-)

Have a nice day.

Martin
 

Aseret

Member
I'm not going to buy anything from those assholes ever. They didn't even tell me the product I was ordering was backordered.

They made a false shipping number with fedex to even fake me out and make me think the item had been shipped already, but when I would try and view the fedex data nothing had moved at all.

They totally fucked me over dude for 300 bucks.

Dont even try to act like you wouldn't be pissed if that happened to you. I've been waiting for a refund for over a week now.

Also like I said too they were total dicks on the phone. I got no choice now but to learn to make my own rig and that pisses me off even more. I'm not handy.

These people aren't helping anybody do anything. They are trying to make a profit and in my case they seem to be trying to make the ultimate profit which is when you take someone's money and don't give them shit![/QUOTE

Much like a credit card company can help you with this incident discussed above... YOUR bank who issued your debit card can do the same. Call them up and and tell them you want to dispute the payment. They'll threeway you over to thier fruad department and you can tell them exactly what youve typed here in the forums. I have had these things happen to me in the past with all kinds of stuff. Companies change things all the time without properly IE legally notifying a client/customer of the change before it was implimented. IE added fee's, Shipping that was incorrect, resturant tip lines that were rewrittin by the waiter, etc. If its not what it says it is/was ITS FRAUD! (False Advertisment) and ALL COMPANIES CAUGHT ADVERTISING FALSELY I believe will be fined/shutdown/closed for no other reason but the liklyhood of being Sued! SCARY I know but its just that easy. On another note, Most bank debit cards are underwritten BY a credit card company such as visa, mastercard, AMX, Discover, etc. These cards can be processed in the same way not only processed with a PIN but also pushed through as credit requiring a signature instead. If you have a logo in the corner it can be pushed in this way. No logo requires a pin. Atleast this has just been my experiences in my 25 yrs of shopping/spending lifetime.
 

Aseret

Member
Make sure when you call your lawyer and seek punitive damages that you inform him you were purchasing a hydroponic marijuana growing device, which constitutes attempted cultivation of a controlled substance, in violation of several FEDERAL, local and state laws in Illinois...

I'm sure that will have some bearing on whether or not he takes your case. Chode.
Wow THought, You know what a Chode is? This guy has not said ANYTHING derogitory or negative in anyway... The reponses he has recieved are two-folds worse to say the least. AND just to prove how moronic, ignorant, and arragent you Thought, Martin of Bubbleponics, and anyone else, involved in this political debate on whats right and wrong. Rotitup.com is EXACTLY what it says it is a Hydroponic Herbal Supply Store and Online Forum. THATS IT! Its the consumer/bloger that makes it their own illegal domain when they mention weed, Dro, Pot, Gonja, or anything else of or relating to Cannibis. AND in your defense people IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO DISCUSS, TALK ABOUT, OR EVEN SAY YOU DO THEM. Its the proof that matters. Getting caught, Tested, and Failing the test is the proof needed, or posession. I'm POSITIVE that if it is a FALSE Fedex # given intentionally, that the MultiBillion Dollar International Shipping Company that is Fedex would be more than Happy to side with the forum poster with the ID of stealthhydrosucks, or even RonPWilkins. This Im sure will then be a Federal Case in which I would advise the defending party to settle out of court, if even possible, just for the reputation of my company and the negative effect of even being in that spotlight for the whole world to witness first hand. Down goes the sales!

Anyhow about this aggression over the phone... As a business owner, if my employees in anyway negativly effect my customers, right or wrong, you bet your going to be punished accordingly (Theres many systems in the world to monitor employees performace). I understand your rights as a person and DO NOT accept cursing, racial, volgarity, or anything derogitory to be discussed by either party. As the owner though I will say that I dont want anything to decrease sales and repeat business not even a single customer/client of any financial range $1-1M, It adds up over the lifetime of the company. Business smarts says Customer is always right!(I cant even begin to give you an honest accurate figure of how many times Ive had to swallow my own pride, yes sir, no sir yes mam, no mam, Right Away! No Problem, I Completly apologize, if I didnt know an answer I would inform them of that and insure them that I will find the one person in the company that does and get them to respond to them in a timely manner, then I would most certainly follow up MYSELF even if I passed them to the other person that was more knowledgable.)...Keeps them paying their Monthly Invoices/Statments for LIFE! (After all I didnt go from just answering phones and taking out the trash to Running several companies to Owning afew of my own for doing nothing, You do work for someone at that point and they DO depend on you to do your job. AND do it WELL to earn sales and in turn support them and thier family and also pay you your wages good or bad, which helps you support your own family and kids. Your going to let one argument lose you that client for life when he has a $ sign on his forehead equivlant to $30,000 if he spends atleast $50 a month for the 50+ yrs of his cash spending life. Weather you get that much or more or less is your marketing and Customer Service and followup.

All this said I only wish the best for everyone tied into this topic. I dont want to see a company fail or even decrease sales. Nor do I want a person/people to just have to settle and just have to "get over it" being wronged in anyway.

Yo Thought, If I was a Lawyer and he came to me... Id still take the case and inform my client to not mention anything Illegal, and say it was for some other type of plant/s, even if it really was intentionally bought for your said allegations. There are NUMBEROUS plants al over the world with the EXACT requirements to grow just as well as Cannibis if you treat and care for them the same.

You ever grown a tomato or a pumpkin in a controlled area much like a grow room. Change the water WEEKLY, New Nutes WEEKLY(PPM) I mean even trace elements, Added Co2 religously, Controlled the temp, Humidity, Airflow, pH, water chillers/Heaters, Inline UV Filters, etc? You know what you get?
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Aseret

Member
the service isn't the greatest, but the system is... It took three weeks for me to get it. I was pissed too, but I also realized that it was a good lesson in patience. Either way, if they were rude to you on the phone that sucks, I would be very upset as well. I would suggest calling back and asking to speak to Martin. As long as you are polite and explain your frustration with the previous employee, he will surely do something to help you out.
As far as the Bubbleponics system goes, I really have been very impressed with it.
You can look at my album as well as any part or the stealth hydro thread to see that it is an effective growing device.
As far a creating a slander name and a slander thread goes, I would suggest going about this in a better way. Ask roseman about it politely, explain why you feel as though you've been treated unfairly and he'll even probably try to help you. If your rude he won't... Good luck...
Damn it I wanna go to bed but for some reason Im glued to this Thread like a Lonly Lady is to a Soap Opera...Im such a dork.

I too have not bought a system nor had any association with said company... I do know my online shopping cart is chock full of the gadgets they have and sell... Lots of stuff. But i just cant wrap my head around WHY a person with any amount of experience... I mean a child can build one....come to think of it we did in the 4th grade for Natural Science. But for $300! My jaw drops. Im a very hands on guy and can and have reverse engineered all kinds of things for personal uses...no I never have nor ever intend to do so for finacial gain, just personal use. Anywho...It just seems terrible that it would cost that much thats around 145% markup, and a profit margin of about 68.5% . All of you are saying you made the choice to pay a person to make it for you for about $178. Wow Im speechless. I just need to do house calls and build these things I could easily do 25 assemblies and deliveries aday. LOL Ill stick to what I got though what just making a point. I think you got it if you agree that thats too much $ for something you can just pick up on the corner. Now if it was ALL made by them... the tubs, tubes, pumps Lighthousings, may not need bulbs, but you know once at that point youll prolly want to make bulbs, Net pots, substraits and the like. Ok Im off to bed all hope to hear from everyone on the up and up.
 

Aseret

Member
I used to be a proud Bubblehead, but have since turned in my gang colors and have become independent after reading this. I tried logging into my account on 420 and found I had been banned. So I sent a message to the mods asking why and got this reply. Now after reading up on him online, I see this is a long time drama for many others as well.



From Martin Wiggett of Stealth Hydro




From 420




Martin's Reply
I seriously doubt the DEA would even waste a decent fart in the direction of an online website regarding conspiracy for ADVERTISING! Dont forget people its only the internet. Lots a reading...TONS actually. DEA Hire me to do it! Pay me to read this sites forums. That would be sweet.
 

pitbudz87

Well-Known Member
damn this is by far the finniest thread ive read in a long time lol i complety understand your frustration about not reciving your order or refund. I would be a little pissed as well, but you have to ask yourself the serious question do i have patience? I wuld like to know how long you ahve been waiting and simmer down a bit brother smoke ya a joint or a l man sip on some drank and get sideways forget for awhile. On the cool tho bro if you cant have the paitence to wait for a product you definatly dont need to grow, espically in hydroponics man it takes paitence but like purp said make your own and if purp said he wuld hep ya do it the man taught ne how to grow.
 
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