Stepped on hash,

Bublonichronic said:

My whole thing is..where does it end? People putting in oils from other plants to "increase" medical benifits, then they will be adding jwh or some other fake cannabinoid to diversify they cannibinoid profile, fucking madness......I guess I just love this plant to much and when it get shit on and disrespected by extraction "artist" it just pisses me off

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I see your side fully. Myself as a grower and oil snob, I see your point fully. I have a great appreciation for a pure extract, especially if it contains all of the medicinal properties.

In most of the cases I could think of, I would want my extract pure, clean, and with all of the medicinal properties of the cannabis plant, with some exceptions. When it comes to vaporizing, I prefer to use e-cigg equipment for a lot of reasons, which requires me to use additives. Yes, the oil can be vaped straight, and I can see that being preferred. Mostly, when it comes to putting additives in is when topicals come to mind. To help spread across the skin, there are a lot of ingredients that can help. Whether it be essential oils or a carrier oil such as almond oil. I got my frankincense oil. I don't necessarily plan to add it to my concentrate, but I am enjoying sniffing it here and there. One of the recommended forms of use. I had no idea just the aroma of something could be so effective. I believe the frankincense is known to work against two forms of leukemia. More testing is being done on other cancers. It has a rare terpene in it that is capable of crossing the blood brain barrier. The aroma of it reminds me of potent lemon drops. The old school lemon drops, when you chew one up, the smell of it. I can't help but to wonder how one drop per gram of e-cannabis oil would taste in my vape!! Only one way to find out.

Bublonichronic said:

so apparently there are companies infusing essential oils into their hash, seems like people were really into it, to me it seems like a lame attempt to put flavor back into a batch that is flavorless for whatever reason, while adding weight...so is weed being cut like a normal thing now?

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I didn't read the entire thread so maybe i missed some key points.

I'm generally uncomfortable with the concept of re adding oils/terpenes into extracts, but part of me sees it as a reasonable medical application; sort of like putting hydrocodone and apap in one pill.

It seems like has its purposes and applications, but it also seems pointless at the same time.

GemuGrows said:

I didn't read the entire thread so maybe i missed some key points.

I'm generally uncomfortable with the concept of re adding oils/terpenes into extracts, but part of me sees it as a reasonable medical application; sort of like putting hydrocodone and apap in one pill.

It seems like has its purposes and applications, but it also seems pointless at the same time.

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It basically boils down to the difference between recreational and medicinal.

Just my take on it, going by the experience I have had over the last 5 years. The majority of individuals are looking for some nice clean potent dabs. They want it to look good and be nice and smooth, and also get an intense buzz. Now the medicinal users typically do not want the intense buzz. The intense buzz I am speaking of, well, dabs doesn't even come close. I consider smoking dabs a light, recreational buzz. Where as eating the oil, now that is a real buzz, and it does not go away quickly. If you have all of the terpenes (natural terpenes), and it is top shelf oil, then you are talking a 48 hour buzz, and that is with the smallest dose I can take, one droplet. I assure you, you can smoke all the dabs you want, or actually I could, and I would just get a little buzz. If I ate 4 drops of my oil, I would be blown away for 3 to 5 days! Keeping in mind that it is already in my system.

I am not putting down BHO or other concentrates. Like I said, my patients prefer that, they are uncomfortable eating the oil, especially the ND Sap. They are afraid of a 48 hour or longer buzz. Heck, they don't care for a 12 hour buzz, it is just too intense for them.

You don't see the purpose. Let's start with the buzz. You are looking at a 100 - 400% increase in buzz due to the terpenes, and you are looking at a 100 - 200% increase in the medicinal properties. This is just my opinion based upon my experience. Everybody has different experiences. For me personally, I have been on the oil for about 5 years now, 24/7, buds, dabs, smokable, vapable, oils, whatever, I can live without it, I do enjoy it, but can live without it as long as I have my ND Sap.

Here is one example of the terpenes and this is just a few. There are 133 known terpenes that I am aware of in the cannabis plant.


If you don't care about the terpenes and are making BHO or RSO, please extract the terpenes first, I believe they are far more valuable per gram than the BHO or RSO is per gram. I could easily see $25 to $100 per gram of just terpenes. One drop of terpenes on a toothache, it is gone! I would like to see a doctor be able to do that for less than $5.

Here is what I don't understand. Terpenes have been know to be used as medicine and mixed with other products for over 6000 years from almost every culture around the planet. Why are we not using them now? We have replaced terpenes with synthetic poisons. I highly recommend to anybody interested in medicinal uses of terpenes to invest in the book Modern Essentials sixth edition. I doubt you will regret purchasing the book.

I should have mentioned this. If you are in doubt regarding natural decarbing and terpenes, use some fresh buds that have been dried well, (no heat drying), even one nice bud, put it in a vial or jar, seal it shut, store it for 4 to 6 months for it to naturally decarb, then roll a joint, cut it into 3 pieces and swallow each piece with water. Eat a joint worth each day for three days and then tell me your opinion. Then you should get some nice terpene effects providing the grow room was not over heated or too much airflow across the buds. It only requires 3 joints worth of some top shelf buds to get a full idea of what I am talking about. Preferably 6 months stored when it comes to buds.

GemuGrows said:

I didn't read the entire thread so maybe i missed some key points.

I'm generally uncomfortable with the concept of re adding oils/terpenes into extracts, but part of me sees it as a reasonable medical application; sort of like putting hydrocodone and apap in one pill.

It seems like has its purposes and applications, but it also seems pointless at the same time.

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I do understand aromatherapy is a real thing just seems like as more people start to do it the less it's gonna be about making a medicine and more about makin a profit...transparency would be nice and I'd like to believe everyone has my best interest in mind, but to me that's naive

Bublonichronic said:

I do understand aromatherapy is a real thing just seems like as more people start to do it the less it's gonna be about making a medicine and more about makin a profit...transparency would be nice and I'd like to believe everyone has my best interest in mind, but to me that's naive

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I understand exactly where you are coming from.

I am not in this for money or popularity or any other self serving reason.

If somebody is in it for the money and they can offer a great product and back it up, then all the power to them. I truly wish for patients to be able to go somewhere and purchase what they want and need without being scammed. I don't lie to or scam my patients.

When I first got in to this 6 years ago, I didn't know why, I just knew it was something I could do. I was already experienced. It was about a year afterwards that I heard about the Rick Simpson Oil and decided to make some to see if it was true, and by golly, it was. I was satisfied just from sampling the product. I had never seen anything like it in all my years. I did not live a sheltered life and have many unique experiences under my belt. When I tried the RSO, and I saw something I had never seen before, I then said, let's see if it really can work on cancer. Two in a row. Two cancer patients were able to manage their disease into remission. It has been 2 years for one and going on 4 for the other.

I am on the patient's side. Everything I have documented is like a diary from the aspect of the patient. There were, and are not any monetary motives here, just want to learn and share with others.

Grow Goddess said:

I understand exactly where you are coming from.

I am not in this for money or popularity or any other self serving reason.

If somebody is in it for the money and they can offer a great product and back it up, then all the power to them. I truly wish for patients to be able to go somewhere and purchase what they want and need without being scammed. I don't lie to or scam my patients.

When I first got in to this 6 years ago, I didn't know why, I just knew it was something I could do. I was already experienced. It was about a year afterwards that I heard about the Rick Simpson Oil and decided to make some to see if it was true, and by golly, it was. I was satisfied just from sampling the product. I had never seen anything like it in all my years. I did not live a sheltered life and have many unique experiences under my belt. When I tried the RSO, and I saw something I had never seen before, I then said, let's see if it really can work on cancer. Two in a row. Two cancer patients were able to manage their disease into remission. It has been 2 years for one and going on 4 for the other.

I am on the patient's side. Everything I have documented is like a diary from the aspect of the patient. There were, and are not any monetary motives here, just want to learn and share with others.

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My father has non-small cell lung cancer that has spread to his bones in his back and his liver. I listened to a friend that lead me to believe that BHO was the way to go to help him but everything I read says RSO. By listening to said friend I have made BHO out of a pound of very well manicured Sour Diesel, it looks like honey but it's bubbling still. How do I administer this to help my father cure his cancer.

TryingToCureDadsCancer said:

My father has non-small cell lung cancer that has spread to his bones in his back and his liver. I listened to a friend that lead me to believe that BHO was the way to go to help him but everything I read says RSO. By listening to said friend I have made BHO out of a pound of very well manicured Sour Diesel, it looks like honey but it's bubbling still. How do I administer this to help my father cure his cancer.

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We've delivered most of our cancer medications in the form of HS Oil, which can be made as follows:
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/holy-anointing-oil-and-holy-shit/

We administer it sublingually and titrate up to a 300 mg dose, (3) times per day.

To ameliorate some of the THC psychoactive effects, while building the patients tolerance to 300 mg doses, you can also give them Citicoline at 3X the HSO dose, twenty minutes before administering the HSO.

Fadedawg said:

We've delivered most of our cancer medications in the form of HS Oil, which can be made as follows:
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/holy-anointing-oil-and-holy-shit/

We administer it sublingually and titrate up to a 300 mg dose, (3) times per day.

To ameliorate some of the THC psychoactive effects, while building the patients tolerance to 300 mg doses, you can also give them Citicoline at 3X the HSO dose, twenty minutes before administering the HSO.

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Thank you, I do have a question about my golden oil, it is still bubbling, is this mean there is still butane in it? Is this still safe to use in the HA mixture? Thanks again

TryingToCureDadsCancer said:

My father has non-small cell lung cancer that has spread to his bones in his back and his liver. I listened to a friend that lead me to believe that BHO was the way to go to help him but everything I read says RSO. By listening to said friend I have made BHO out of a pound of very well manicured Sour Diesel, it looks like honey but it's bubbling still. How do I administer this to help my father cure his cancer.

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I am not the one to ask when it comes to BHO. I have never used that method. Alcohol extracts only for me.

I have put a lot of reading and thought into it before choosing the method to use, and I chose alcohol. There are a lot of big differences between BHO and alcohol extracts. I am not the right person to ask, but I can tell you this. I highly recommend switching to alcohol extracts when it comes to medicinal use. There are others out there with more experience in using BHO. Seek out Gray Wolf, he has a lot of experience with BHO. You can find him at ICMag. I still recommend alcohol extractions. My highest recommendation is naturally decarbed sap. If you want to know more about that, search Growgoddess' Blog. I speak about all of the different concentrates I make to the best of my ability. ND Sap is the best for medicinal use.

Again, there are others out there that will give a different opinion. If I thought BHO was a better way to go, I would not hesitate to invest into it.


Edit: with alcohol extractions and it is still bubbling, very small bubbles, it is decarbing and releasing CO2. I no longer recommend using heat unless it is an emergency. Night and day difference between the two, heat decarbed and naturally decarbed. Naturally decarbed is so much more comfortable and smooth.
Lastly, i only use buds with my extractions. I have no knowledge when it comes to using trim.