STILL having same problems even after switching out nute brands and soil brands

The Growery

The Growery

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the thing is I've only been watering on a as need basis 160 ml at a time, they are always bone dry before I water them. I'm gonna go with your guys' suggestion to give em a heavier watering, guys at the grow store I go to keep telling me it will stunt the growth of the plants if I do heavy waters, not sure they know what the hell they're talking about since I used to do heavy watering 1-2 times a week with no probs but since these deficiencies have been showing I've been trying every method under the sun. thanks again guys, really appreciate the feedback.
 
Firstoffallen

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The Growery said:
the thing is I've only been watering on a as need basis 160 ml at a time, they are always bone dry before I water them. I'm gonna go with your guys' suggestion to give em a heavier watering, guys at the grow store I go to keep telling me it will stunt the growth of the plants if I do heavy waters, not sure they know what the hell they're talking about since I used to do heavy watering 1-2 times a week with no probs but since these deficiencies have been showing I've been trying every method under the sun. thanks again guys, really appreciate the feedback.
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lol man my girls are drinking half gallon each 5 times a week perfectly healthy plants too
 
skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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The Growery said:
I've been battling deficiencies for half a year now, a month ago I switched from promix and dyna gro to using green planet nutes and sunshine advanced #4, mendo organic mix and perlite in a 1:1:1 ratio but am still having the same problems which tells me that it isn't the soil or the nutes that is causing this issue.

It looks like a nitrogen deficiency to me, been using 8 ml/gal part A and B and 8 ml/gal pro-cal every other watering. I looked at the root ball and the root system isn't very robust, but they are white with a little yellowing here and there but nothing major.

Can anyone suggest a course of action? I was just going to bump up the nutes to 10ml/gal from 8/ml gal but I have a feeling the deficiency may not be from lack of nutrients going in.

The room stays between 78-82F. Per suggestion of a grow store owner I've been watering them daily at 160mL/gal of soil, each day they are bone dry for the next watering. plenty of circulation.

Only thing I can think of is that I've been using a "vortex" style brewer left over from my organic days and I have a feeling it was growing a ton of brown slime in places that I could not see. Assuming the brown slime would be in the water as well and thus in the soil and locking out nutes. I've changed my water holding containers since then to just plain old 5 gallon buckets with a air stone.

Help is appreciated. Thanks in advance, Growery.

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looking at these pics i do not think nutes is the prime issue they look pretty green to me, but the shape is horrible
they are not growing branches but sticking to the main stem like a little SOG plant , something is not right at all with the root zone
i have a plant at the moment that is sitting in a plastic tray with no medium i water it daily or when i see it start to wilt
it has not had any nutes for about 4 weeks it looks normal and healthy, it takes ages for them to show nute problems
your problems are most likely over watering and a medium/soil that is not draining well, or perhaps it is poor genetics
the shape is the giveaway , they look like a single cola plant that is very badly root-bound or sitting in a puddle of water
the pots you have them in look big enough for them to spread out with some proper branches but you can see from the bottom to the top no branches, its a stick

these plants really need to be put into a new medium new soil and allowed to recover for about 2-3 weeks to grow some branches then flower them
otherwise they will yield hardly anything as they are now

peace
 
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jonnynobody

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Firstoffallen said:
lol man my girls are drinking half gallon each 5 times a week perfectly healthy plants too
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Your situation is not relative to his situation. He has small scraggly plants with obvious signs of over watering. My plants in flower take down a gallon of water in 5 gallon pots every other day, whereas in veg when in 3 gallon pots, they take 1 gallon of water every 3-4 days. No use in giving half-ass advice chief.
 
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jonnynobody

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skunkd0c said:
looking at these pics i do not think nutes is the prime issue they look pretty green to me, but the shape is horrible
they are not growing branches but sticking to the main stem like a little SOG plant , something is not right at all with the root zone
i have a plant at the moment that is sitting in a plastic tray with no medium i water it daily or when i see it start to wilt
it has not had any nutes for about 4 weeks it looks normal and healthy, it takes ages for them to show nute problems
your problems are most likely over watering and a medium/soil that is not draining well, or perhaps it is poor genetics
the shape is the giveaway , they look like a single cola plant that is very badly root-bound or sitting in a puddle of water
the pots you have them in look big enough for them to spread out with some proper branches but you can see from the bottom to the top no branches, its a stick

these plants really need to be put into a new medium new soil and allowed to recover for about 2-3 weeks to grow some branches then flower them
otherwise they will yield hardly anything as they are now

peace
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I agree completely. These plants look like shit when it comes to node structure and something is obviously rotten here even beyond over watering, I think. I've never really seen pot plants grow like that before...
 
fattiemcnuggins

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jonnynobody said:
Maybe jonny is crazy but those drooping leaves look like you're over watering? Watering every single day doesn't make a great deal of sense to me....is anyone else picking up on this?

I water my 5 gallon pots once every 3-4 days...couldn't imagine watering every day. My girls might look like yours :)

The fact that your roots aren't penetrating to the bottom of the pot with as much vertical growth that you have going on sounds like you got a bunch of wet sludge at the bottom of your pot that never gets to dry out at all therefore your roots cannot penetrate. Roots need oxygen to function so if your sludge at the bottom of the pot never has an opportunity to dry out due to your daily waterings, you constrict your root growth.

Just my $.02...
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Letting them dry out fully is great but if depending on your 'style' everyday watering can be great. Gotta do it right though,like you said we don't want mud but I try to never let my top layer dry out fully.
 
phizzion

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Have you tried looking at the affected leaves under a high power microscope, something in the 100X or greater? Looking at the spots may give a clue. I helped a friend who was having troubles, a hand held microscope with picture taking ability showed his problem. I also encountered someone who had a strain of AG that produced "spots" even on the cloned daughters when they were grown out. Must have been something in the genetics. Good luck.
 
The Growery

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I started in soil and used to do great with just dyna gro and promix (my avatar pic is part of a 2 lb. harvest, was my third harvest). I'm convinced there is some sort of virus being transmitted from plant to plant. I'm gonna tear it down bleach sterilize everything and restart from seed.
 
The Growery

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I just can't bring myself to start over... I can't get over this single question:

when I take clones from these plants they eventually recover and grow into solid green plants until they get 6-8" tall at which point they start striping again. i use clonex on these plants until they are about 6" with 5/6 nodes then they get transplanted into larger pots. halfway tempted to use clonex for the entire veg cycle if it means green and healthy plants.
 
needlesnpins

needlesnpins

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sometimes starting over seems like the worst thing ever...until 4 weeks after and you have a room full of bush again that is problem free. I've been in your shoes and ripping em out for me was the best thing i could have done in that situation. that decision is on you though. if you're confident in your analysis, it very well could be worth it to grab some new genetics.
 
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Sampras1489

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160 m/l of water per gallon of soil isn't cutting it man. Water it through fully and wait until it dries out. Just my take.
 
The Growery

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I've upped the watering to 400 mL every few days do ensure that all the soil is getting water. you guys are 100% right, part of the problem was not enough water and thus the roots were not expanding all that much. ditching the green planet nutes and going back to dynagro. per suggestion of homebrewer I'm going to use gro and protekt for the entire life cycle. no more bloom nutes, just the latter two bottles. and promix. going back to basics...

I have old gallon size dyna gro nutes and I'm thinking they might have gone bad, going to bring the bottle to the grow store today and compare it to new bottles for smell to confirm whether or not they went bad.
 
HomeLessBeans

HomeLessBeans

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The Growery said:
I've upped the watering to 400 mL every few days do ensure that all the soil is getting water. you guys are 100% right, part of the problem was not enough water and thus the roots were not expanding all that much. ditching the green planet nutes and going back to dynagro. per suggestion of homebrewer I'm going to use gro and protekt for the entire life cycle. no more bloom nutes, just the latter two bottles. and promix. going back to basics...

I have old gallon size dyna gro nutes and I'm thinking they might have gone bad, going to bring the bottle to the grow store today and compare it to new bottles for smell to confirm whether or not they went bad.
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does your dyna grow hav crystals in it??
 
The Growery

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Murfy said:
foliage pro-

3-1-2
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the 3-1-2 ratio sounds great. I may just end up going foliage pro and protekt. I gotta see if these nutes I already have are good or not though, no point buying more dyna gro if the gallon I already have is still good.

thanks for the help and the suggestion murfy
 
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