Still sparkling/crackling no matter how much i purge?

Nice Goalie keep us updated!

I tried a long soak once, I let it soak overnight outside in a snow drift. The mistake I made was to seal the jar so nothing would bubble off overnight, I filled at sunset and the temp was 22 in the morning it was only 15, so I thought that there would be no expansion being the temp was lower. I can tell you now that I was wrong. When I cracked open the mason jar I immediately had 2 oil coated hands, tabletop and jar.

i took some old oil that i dropped on the floor ..it had cat fur in it..and i had also overcooked it the first time i attempted to make it... i dissolved it in everclear, winterized it, strained it, slowly air-evaped and scraped..and then i put it in the vac chamber and vac'd non stop...reaction NEVER Stopped..it always bubbled..after a long time i noticed my pump oil was low, so i stopped trying, now its just taffyish at room temps. It tastes almost like nothing, the high is clean (kind of boring?) and doesn't rape my lungs, but its still only tafffy it wont stay hard (maybe frmo overcooking the bho before i winterized) - and i tried it in the vac again and it still doesn't stop reacting.

I think that maybe at certain temps the reaction is carbon dioxide or water trapped ...or other things that are not butane, but im not sure. I wish i could tell the difference between a reaction of butane coming out of the bho and anything else that wasn't butane... it makes me feel like im not making any progress when each time (getting close to 10 runs i think) my bho never stops reacting no matter how much i water bath purge, dry the starting material, vac purge, etc

random size bubbles are butane being evaporated
small equal size bubbles are c02 being released which is a good indicator that you have gone to far and will begin decarboxylation

if too much heat is added than you speed up the process of decarboxylation which will result in permagoo

note decarboxylation doesn't happen at a certain temp but can vary under a vaccuum

next time ill take more pictures and keep better times (purging times) so i can post here and hopefully get some feedback to help me

^ Are you gonna do a "single solvent de-waxing" on the thermos run to compare to traditional 2 solvent de-wax? Or just thermos soak vs. de-wax? I winterize and de-wax all my runs, but am gonna be doing a single solvent de-wax soon just curious on the comparison of the 2.

who keeps spreading this technique of dewaxing?
nobody on this forum has advocated or really even discussed it since I've been a member here, and yes I've read every post in c&e

also how does it fit into my explanation of winterizing a couple threads below? it's moronic!
like flushing your weed before harvest

^ It has been talked about on other forums. Honestly you know with all the "mis" information out there who really knows if it works. What I read said to soak or blast I think, but I know it said soak. Strain out material. Then keep butane in liquid form and waxes would congeale and fall out. Then just filter and do as normal. Any validity to this?

lowering temperature reduces solubility. this is the basis behind winterizing.. reducing the temp of a polar solvent should drop the non polar components. reducing the temp of a non polar solvent should precipitate the polar constituents. fats and waxes are more soluble/non polar than cannabinoids.. it's basic chemistry, like an a/b extract you can't just change how these things work

^ Understood. I am the first to say chemistry was, and is not my strong suite. But that I understood. Thank you sir.

Well, i welcome some advice gents. I have about 1 oz of some nice whitewidow X bigbud and its somewhat fresh, but ready to puff on. My extraction tube holds 14gs of dry material packed tightly, and when i had not packed it full, yields were terrible. Unless there is a way to not pack it full and have a big air pocket it in it but still yield ok - im all eyes.

Because of this ^ i was going to thermos soak. So now my question is, should i dry the stuff out and break it up, or do fresh frozen? Or do some of each and compare? Then once i soak the material in the thermos with the tane and strain it, i can do some with water bath / vac purge, and i can winterize some, ive got a lot of options, and cant do anything till tonight, so if there are any suggestions im listening.

my problem so far in the 10 or so runs i've done is that the stuff never seems to stop reacting under vac, and im starting to lose my cool because i don't understand why.

don't worry about it reacting under vac, a small ppm of tane won't hurt you at all, we still use bic lighters to smoke weed after all..I judge by look, it's really not hard to visually tell unpurged oil

I prefer fresh frozen. some find that to be too much hassle
alot of people seem to overpurge, if its in a thin film it will be done completely in 2 hours or so no matter what you do. use low heat or none at all,at full vac thc boils at room temp, heat is not necessary to loosen it.

you should yield at least 10% if its really frosty and handled decently 20 is a nice number, if using fresh frozen obviously the plant weight kills that ratio

thank you qwizoking! I am considering trying 3 or 4 different mini runs to compare results using the whole oz. I will either need to go buy a thermos tho to do the soak method, or get that smaller turkey baster from bb&b first.

Heres the starting stuff: (sorry its just an iphone pic in bad light)

qwizoking said:

don't worry about it reacting under vac, a small ppm of tane won't hurt you at all, we still use bic lighters to smoke weed after all..I judge by look, it's really not hard to visually tell unpurged oil

I prefer fresh frozen. some find that to be too much hassle
alot of people seem to overpurge, if its in a thin film it will be done completely in 2 hours or so no matter what you do. use low heat or none at all,at full vac thc boils at room temp, heat is not necessary to loosen it.

you should yield at least 10% if its really frosty and handled decently 20 is a nice number, if using fresh frozen obviously the plant weight kills that ratio

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Well, i dried 15 gs of material (like really dry) packed tube, froze it and tane, blasted, water bath purged, now its in the vac. Its such a small amount, like 2gs, and here is what is happening. It looks like this in pic 1, then i vac and it looks like pic 2, and it just stays like that while being vac'd .. it just stays looking like puffy honeycomb. Until i let air in that is.

isnt that kind of reaction = tane?

I know you said dont worry about reacting under vac but i duno. Its only 2gs of oil roughly, and i kep vaccing, folding, vaccing folding, and now im just letting it vac. First i let it go 10 minutes vac, now im just letting it go for i dont know how long..its staying like pic 2 and not changing ...please help

shit, is it possible thats just like trapped air or some shit? cuz after taking it out and flattening it between another sheet it looks like the album and image below, and at room temp if i bend it slow it bends like taffy, but if i snap it fast, it snaps

(pic 1,2 are just out of vac after the permamuffin and 3/4 are after squishing it down with another pad
http://imgur.com/a/snWWc

album 2: after melting it down at 110-115ish for about 10 minutes http://imgur.com/a/3smX8

That is trapped co2 if you are folding it. Otherwise it looks tasty.

francy420 said:

That is trapped co2 if you are folding it. Otherwise it looks tasty.

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This may be a stupid question but is co2 naturally in there? Is there something i can do to have less of it? Is it harmful to have it trapped and be vaping this?

Its just the air trapped under the patty working its way to the surface. or co2 from decarb. neither will hurt you.

I have the same problem with the sizzling, crackling but my wax taste like burnt hair. Its pretty golden imo but scared to continue to smoke any help here? I can attach a picture if needed just looking for any ideas on how to fix or if I should just throw out.

Sizzling and crackling is typically water, and the streamers are usually plant waxes. I would suggest winterizing it to remove the waxes and vacuuming it at -29,5"/10,000 microns at about 125F to remove the alcohol and water.

As a bonus, the filtration during winterizing will also take out any hair...………...