Stoner's views on Firearm rights.

medicineman

medicineman

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CSI Stickyicky said:
Its when you are out and about that you may need a gun the most. In order to carry in public in most states that allow it, you need to be in good standing with the law, and show the local sheriff that you know all the safety rules, and have sufficient skill. So, not EVERYONE is carrying a loaded weapon, just the qualified people.

Look at the city of chicago, it has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, (which are about to be reviewed by the US supreme court) and there is more than one murder everyday! Most are committed by people who wouldnt be able to get a permit anyway, and with illegally bought guns.
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In Nv. You have to pass an FBI background check, take a 20 hr course, which includes all aspects of gun owner laws and the pitfalls of improper use, take the weapons you are qualifying for to the gun range and show accurate usage and put all 20 rounds from each weapon in center mass or the head. Emphasis is put on shoot to kill. Maiming or wounding a perp is not optional. If the situation requires deadly force (And it is explicitly explained to you) aim at center mass, pull 2 rounds to the center and one to the head, If he/she keeps comming, keep firing. The best scenario is sans witnesses, but one must always be prepared to face witnesses. A clean Kill will still remove around 10K from your wallet in attorneys fees, a bad kill will land you in prison.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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Keenly said:
your implying that having a gun turns you into a ciminal....

thats bullshit


this video is for you

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if you had a sister, and she was raped at gunpoint

dont you think shed have been better off wth a little snub nosed revolver in her purse?
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lol your too funny not only did you miss the part where i said i can understand having a gun on your own property but you imply that im calling everyone with guns criminals?
oh and yeah i do have a sister she's 2 years younger than me. the worst she will ever face is possibly a knife wielding rapist or being drugged at a club and then raped the latter there isnt much to protect her guns or not the former lol my sister has spent the last 6 years studying wing tsun (or whatever its called) lol she could kick fuck out of me knife, bat, club, hammer whatever i decided to carry but in all her years she never learnt how to dodge a bullet..
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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medicineman said:
Have you ever experienced the feeling of calm one has when carrying a loaded firearm. Knowing , if, someone was to try some crap with you or your family, you could at least have a chance of defending yourself and them. There are certain parts of town, (N. Vegas) that one should have a gun at all times. I try and avoid going into that territory, but to get to the race track and a few other places I must travel to, I have to cross through carjack central. Now I don't carry the firearm on me, although I could, but I keep it handy in the car, something that would be a felony in N. Vegas without a carry permit. I also take a handgun with me on vacation to Az or other surrounding states, sans Ca, where gun paranoia is prevalent. Most western states either have or are in the process of allowing other states carry permits to be used in their state. The bummer is that the goodguys, (like ME) cannot carry on an airplane, That would certainly slow down airplane hijackings. Could you imagine the look on the hijackers faces if when they pulled out those boxcutters, someone like me stood up and started popping heads? Being a pretty fair shot (Expert), I could certainly ruin a hijackers day. BTW, they make special Ammo for airplanes, high frag ammo. The projectile fragments and doesn't leave the body, IE, no holes in the pressurized cabin. Also FYI, there are not air marshals on every flight.
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the power trip part about carrying a gun doesnt fit with me but i do understand that guns are prevalent in the us and most people seem to think more guns will fix the problem??
as to carrying guns on aircraft lol im not even gonna try to say about how many bad things could happen. main one being how does any body ever know the intentions of anyone they havent met before/ getting on their aircraft?
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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medicineman said:
In Nv. You have to pass an FBI background check, take a 20 hr course, which includes all aspects of gun owner laws and the pitfalls of improper use, take the weapons you are qualifying for to the gun range and show accurate usage and put all 20 rounds from each weapon in center mass
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now that would make more sense to me for people having the right to carry a gun in public i dont know the different laws over there but i really think a default right to carry a gun isnt exactly smart
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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ginjawarrior said:
now that would make more sense to me for people having the right to carry a gun in public i dont know the different laws over there but i really think a default right to carry a gun isnt exactly smart
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why not? Criminals pay no attention to carry laws....
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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CrackerJax said:
why not? Criminals pay no attention to carry laws....
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yeah i know im talking from an outsider veiw here. guns are much more readily available over there (dont get me wrong tho i know i could get a gun here if i had money and inclination) and gun crime there is a norm even down to being robbed for 5 dollars so to speak.
now criminals here do have guns but it is pretty rare for them to be used outside of gang warfare.
an acquaintance (not freind) of mine is a coke dealer and a few months ago had someone turn up at his door and brandish a gun at his missus (kids were in house at tme) for about 20 mins untill he came back. he walked into his house and was greeted as such and lost his coke. now would he and his family been safer with a gun? no, he would have been safer not dealing coke in the first place. does any of this make me want to get a gun to protect myself and my daughter?? no, because im not a muppet/ coke dealer
the bad guys always get guns if they want them its just how easy/ accepted it is to use them, its just over here im sure i feel safer/ less under threat than over there
but then i look at the non criminals going "postal" (i guess thats right we dont really use that here) who legally can carry guns but ultimately go berserk
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/13/newsid_2543000/2543277.stm the incident that banned handguns in the uk
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/03/christopher-foster-shropshire-suicide more recent uk legal gun owner
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7800663.stm
an incident i saw in us
as i said before i know that guns are prevalent out there and im an outsider in this but it does seem madness to me to keep the trend going.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Laws rarely prevent any crime what so evah.....it is after the crime has been committed that laws come into play.

There is an old and very true saying in the south. Gun country is polite country. If a criminal goes into a NYC apartment, he knows that more than likely the owners will get on their knees and beg for their lives. That same criminal drives into a rural southern town, he knows there is a very good chance that he will be fired upon by the owners. Guess which victim he chooses?

Gun country is polite country.
 
southern homegrower

southern homegrower

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CrackerJax said:
Laws rarely prevent any crime what so evah.....it is after the crime has been committed that laws come into play.

There is an old and very true saying in the south. Gun country is polite country. If a criminal goes into a NYC apartment, he knows that more than likely the owners will get on their knees and beg for their lives. That same criminal drives into a rural southern town, he knows there is a very good chance that he will be fired upon by the owners. Guess which victim he chooses?

Gun country is polite country.
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yes sir. nicely said
 
CSI Stickyicky

CSI Stickyicky

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ginjawarrior said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/13/newsid_2543000/2543277.stm the incident that banned handguns in the uk
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This kind of reminds me of a shooting that we had in Littleton, CO. I always think the following 2 things about the columbine shootings:
1 The shooter's parents should have had their guns locked up. Gun safety begins with proper handling/storage, and keeping your guns away from unauthorized people. (including your emotionally unstable teenager)
2 So many people could have been saved by just 1 teacher or faculty member with a carry permit and a good aim.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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CrackerJax said:
Laws rarely prevent any crime what so evah.....it is after the crime has been committed that laws come into play.

thats why handing guns out to everyone seems bad to me
There is an old and very true saying in the south. Gun country is polite country. If a criminal goes into a NYC apartment, he knows that more than likely the owners will get on their knees and beg for their lives. That same criminal drives into a rural southern town, he knows there is a very good chance that he will be fired upon by the owners. Guess which victim he chooses?

Gun country is polite country.
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now your talking distinction between urban and rural. as a rule the rural is always much much safer than the city and shit happens whether its in the cities or not. its just in the cities its much more frequent (much in part due to pop and conditions) the traveling criminal is different to the norm tho and i'd guess guns or not if you wanted to you could easily get to who ever you wanted (who didnt have a full body guard unit)
i dunno man i've always felt safe with out even feeling like i needed a gun. i just cant see the more guns will stop guns mentality. how could it stop?
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Oh it works in any city which has the populace armed. Most big cities are run by Democrats however, so it isn't easy.

When the criminal KNOWS ur unarmed.... watch out.

Create a "gun free zone" and if anything happens (like a nut ignoring the gun free zone sign :roll:)....you've condemned many innocents to harm.
 
Woodstock.Hippie

Woodstock.Hippie

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Not all are innocents

Some will have piles of stones

I believe a firearm is good in cases where rock fights escalate

while fighting zombies.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Uh huh.....in case you never noticed....criminals don't fight fair. You want to keep a rock by your headboard? Fine... :lol: Good luck!
 
abe23

abe23

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CSI Stickyicky said:
It seems that a lot of people like to pick sides on this whole "right left" "liberal conservative" "donkey elephant" thing. Can't i just be a free thinking person?

Anybody else a member of both the NRA and NORML?

Just curious how other stoners feel about firearm rights?

I'd like to open up a rational discussion about firearms rights, and i'd like to hear from both sides!

Ill start: I believe that law abiding citizens not only have the right to bear arms, but that they have a responsibility to. If somebody goes postal near me, and threatens my life, or my family, or friends, or other citizens, it is my responsibility to prevent that. If somebody wants to come to my home or place of work to rob me, I can let them know they came to the wrong place. I could go on.
I think a lot of gun control supporters say that more people carrying a handgun everywhere leads to a more dangerous situation.
One of my favorite comedians, Bill Hicks, said "There is no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun, and not shooting someone with it, and you'd be a fool and a communist to make one"
Sounds logical enough. But, in the real world situation of modern day America, there are too many people who disagree with the law for them to ever realistically get rid of all guns. (might i refer you to the cannabis situation. Been illegal since 1937, is it gone from America?) I think laws that prevent law abiding citizens just makes us defenseless to people who wont follow the law anyway. Criminals will have guns, nut jobs will have guns, cops will have guns. So should i.

So how do other people feel? lets get a rational discussion representing both sides of the gun control issue from the perspective the cannabis community.:peace:
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Good thread, dude!

I go shooting from time to time, but I don't a gun because I live in an urban area and I feel that the risks of owning one far outweigh the benefits in my particular situation. But anyone should be left to make that decision for themselves as long as they are responsible about it. I'm not a member but I'm a big fan of the NRA because they encourage just that...common sense and responsible use and storage of firearms.

If an adult wants to have a gun in their house, they should have every right to do so and it's none of my business, just like pot plants.

That said, I would dread to be in a situation where I would have to use a gun to injure or kill another human being. I can only hope that everyone who owns a gun feels the same way...
 
jordisgarden

jordisgarden

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heres my view....if i catch someone creeping around my grow room, theyll be lucky if i dont blow there fucking face off completely with my 44. mag.......no doubt

a lot of people are just scared of guns. like thinking a gun just goes off for no reason. my brother was a non believer till i took him to the range and explained how a gun works....he really though a loaded gun in a drawer could just fire off for no reason and kill someone......
 
CSI Stickyicky

CSI Stickyicky

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abe23 said:
Good thread, dude!

I go shooting from time to time, but I don't a gun because I live in an urban area and I feel that the risks of owning one far outweigh the benefits in my particular situation. But anyone should be left to make that decision for themselves as long as they are responsible about it. I'm not a member but I'm a big fan of the NRA because they encourage just that...common sense and responsible use and storage of firearms.

If an adult wants to have a gun in their house, they should have every right to do so and it's none of my business, just like pot plants.

That said, I would dread to be in a situation where I would have to use a gun to injure or kill another human being. I can only hope that everyone who owns a gun feels the same way...
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I totally respect that. I agree that its up to an individual adult to make his own decision about what goes in his house, or what doesn't.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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In the end, if an intruder enters ur home, and you have to defend urself, and perhaps unfortunately take the criminals life, the only solace to be found is ... you didn't take that life.

They threw it away.
 
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