Stoneslacker's 250w micro, hempy, scrog - Blue Hash, Afghan Kush Special. Cheese

I have thought about this SS, and I am not certain that SCROG will yield more or
less than a mainlined plant....but one difference that seems clear is time. The process
of cutting down a plant to the node used to start the manifold represents a great deal
of lost growth.

I think that the standard argument that a main-lined plant will tend to have its
yield in fewer/larger buds than a SCROG (or really that a SCROG will allow non-main
line branches to develop) still holds.

Onward and upward,

JD

Darth Budder said:

More experimentation = better results man, be glad to see how it goes. I like your threads, just plain growin without the drama.

DB

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Thanks man, it means alot. I always try to steer clear of drama. It takes more effort to avoid conflict, but the result benefits everyone.

Javadog said:

I have thought about this SS, and I am not certain that SCROG will yield more or
less than a mainlined plant....but one difference that seems clear is time. The process
of cutting down a plant to the node used to start the manifold represents a great deal
of lost growth.

I think that the standard argument that a main-lined plant will tend to have its
yield in fewer/larger buds than a SCROG (or really that a SCROG will allow non-main
line branches to develop) still holds.

Onward and upward,

JD

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Accurate assessment of my thoughts on the comparison JD. My feelings are that the lower wattage, ie. lower penetration, you are running, the more benefit to a SCRoG or some type of lateral training. The "goldilocks" zone of my 250w is around 5-10" from the bulb. As you step up in wattage or even taken outdoors, a longer mainline head somewhere around 17-24" will fill in much more.

By spreading the growth out evenly under a screen you will sacrifice size to your biggest tops, but you utilize a higher percentage of your lumens and spectrum over the entire grow area. The mainline training was not much more than my normal scrog training, granted I was aiming for minimal growth throughout training to limit height.

Peace

stoneslacker said:

Thanks man, it means alot. I always try to steer clear of drama. It takes more effort to avoid conflict, but the result benefits everyone.



Accurate assessment of my thoughts on the comparison JD. My feelings are that the lower wattage, ie. lower penetration, you are running, the more benefit to a SCRoG or some type of lateral training. The "goldilocks" zone of my 250w is around 5-10" from the bulb. As you step up in wattage or even taken outdoors, a longer mainline head somewhere around 17-24" will fill in much more.

By spreading the growth out evenly under a screen you will sacrifice size to your biggest tops, but you utilize a higher percentage of your lumens and spectrum over the entire grow area. The mainline training was not much more than my normal scrog training, granted I was aiming for minimal growth throughout training to limit height.

Peace

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I think u got that my friend and all under 250 watts, I'm impressed...U rock!!!

I was going to add the same Who.

I hope for similar things in my 600W+kessils arrangement. :0)

JD

So it seems to me like you guys are saying that, all other things being equal, a plant will yield Xgrams over Ymonths given Zveg time, regardless of the training method?

Maybe that didnt make sense. So you take 2 clones, put them in rooms as exactly alike as possible, run them for the same time on the same nutes, but scrog 1, mainline the other. Same yield, different bud "type"?

DB

whocares100 said:

I think u got that my friend and all under 250 watts, I'm impressed...U rock!!!

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Thanks for the great compliment Who! Wish I could share some of my bounty with you all.

Darth Budder said:

So it seems to me like you guys are saying that, all other things being equal, a plant will yield Xgrams over Ymonths given Zveg time, regardless of the training method?

Maybe that didnt make sense. So you take 2 clones, put them in rooms as exactly alike as possible, run them for the same time on the same nutes, but scrog 1, mainline the other. Same yield, different bud "type"?

DB

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Haha I'm confusing myself a bit there DB. In the infinite wattage garden of our minds, your scenario would lead to "similar" yields. My opinion is that as light wattage gets lower and penetration is less, there is more benefit to a scrog.

As I stated earlier, my 250w has a sweet spot of around 5-12". When running my scrog the main growth area is about 6-9" above the screen, leaving very little below the dropoff distance. The mainline arms average about 20", leaving around 10' that gets very little light. On top of this, there is a good deal in height variance between the 3 strains, leaving some heads to fill in better than others on the same plant. If I were running more wattage or growing outside, this would be far less of an issue. If I were to step up my light to 400w or 600w, etc., then the light penetration will get progressively better down the mainline arm.

I guess what I am saying is that a light has a certain "goldilocks" zone. Mine being around 8 inches on average, spreading my canopy out horizontally and limiting vertical growth allows me to maximize total output of my light. Hope this makes sense, I'll try to dig up some pics from my grows to help illustrate this.

Peace

Got ya, you just need to pick the right training for your specific set up in order to increase yields over what the plant might otherwise offer or to maximize the value of your light source .

Darth Budder said:

So it seems to me like you guys are saying that, all other things being equal, a plant will yield Xgrams over Ymonths given Zveg time, regardless of the training method?

Maybe that didnt make sense. So you take 2 clones, put them in rooms as exactly alike as possible, run them for the same time on the same nutes, but scrog 1, mainline the other. Same yield, different bud "type"?

DB

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I guess that my point was that it will be the time it takes that varies first.

Mainlining, and other sorts of training, will increase yield (certainly "can"),
but they take longer.

That was the trade off that I was suggesting.

SS pointed out that this issue is settled for him by the space he has and his system.
(and what results, for 250!!!!!!!!!!!)

Take care,

JD

i would have to agree while maINLINED PLANTS look sexy as fuck, i think a scrog is much more productive in less time. although i havent mainlined any clones yet just from seed (diary in sig) i expect that as the clones are already "developed" for want of a better words that they will take much better.

stripping a big girl to one node does feel unnatural.

but then again these aint techniques for beginners!!!

p.s never change your avi slacker!!

Lemon king said:

stripping a big girl to one node does feel unnatural.

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This.

I ended up with an 18" tall clone, after chopping my Kosher Kush down to the selected main node.

I put it in soil just for fun, but the result is bouncing back already:


This was a fortunate coincidence, that this plant, Kosher Kush, was growing so crazy
that serious chopping was going to be necessary in any case.

I will have at least a month to see where this will go.

Good luck,

JD

loool java at only a quick glance at that pick, i thought you had only left fans on there loool an i aint even medicated lol

Lemon king said:

loool java at only a quick glance at that pick, i thought you had only left fans on there loool an i aint even medicated lol

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Cant even lie I thought the same untill I took a closer look lol

LOL Great stuff!

Nice! You planning on flowering the clone JD?

LK hopefully I'll have an even better canopy pic to throw up for the avi. I don't know tho, that Blackjack was fat.

lool good luck that look pretty perfecto!!

stoneslacker said:

Nice! You planning on flowering the clone JD?

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LOL, well, I had to try. If it took, I figured that I would have a new 18" tall Kosher Kush
to work with....but, as expected, it has *fully* flopped over. There was way too much
greenery to support. I may cut it back, to see if I can get roots on the log/stump.

I took two clones of KK already, so I am protected.

Take care,

JD

Javadog said:

LOL, well, I had to try. If it took, I figured that I would have a new 18" tall Kosher Kush
to work with....but, as expected, it has *fully* flopped over. There was way too much
greenery to support. I may cut it back, to see if I can get roots on the log/stump.

I took two clones of KK already, so I am protected.

Take care,

JD

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Ya an 18 inch clone is bound to end up over 3+ feet I'd imagine. Bigger if your current crop doesn't finish soon! (Edit: Just checked your thread and see you have started!) Speaking of which, the weather looks like it will start to cooperate with me tomorrow so I am looking to chop, dry and....


Get these girls transplanted and under the MH. 21 days from seed (or 23 I can't remember ) the girls are getting tired of their small home and want to move on up to that deluxe apartment...ok sorry I'm lit. I am hoping to get them in the box towards the end of next week once the mainline crop dries.

Afghan Kush is looking really kushy. Nice and squat with fat bladed leaves she is growing as much outward as upward. Kushes are known as light yielders so I'll want to get as full a screen as possible on her.



Blue Hash is fairly balanced in her growth. All 3 are being held back by my small veg tote right now. I've heard this girl can stretch a bit in flower so it will be a guessing game on preflip screen coverage.



Cheese is from clone so she is definitely more mature than the others. She is showing some leaf discoloration and I am going to adjust ph down to 5.9 from 6.1. She is growing upwards more than outwards which is strange as she is usually a very stocky short bush from what I've seen my buddy grow.


Next update will be around transplant time. Peace

Things look great on your end SS, Beautiful looking babies ya got going so far.

Looking good how long of a veg time are you looking at or dobyou wait to decide that depending on how the screen has filled out?