stop trying to decriminilize ,arijuana everybody..stop

SkunkyMonkey!

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yeah its fine for you guys over in cali ...
im from u.k and we cud get 5 years js for smokin because a new law come in on monday :O
rediculous if you ask me why doesnt britan wise up and make it medicaly avalible ?
 

Hayduke

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That flick made me laugh

"God was the first cop and how many people did he have to watch? Two"

good stuff there.
My 13 year old saw the first 20 minutes one night, and was all pissed how ridiculous the government is on this topic. Then the next night she ASKED to watch the rest, only saw 20-30 more minutes and asked to watch the rest the third day. What bothered her the most is what they are teaching in school, like I know a _______ who smoked cannabis and _____happened. Believe it or not, the second blank often includes death or the commission of a violent crime.

It is "Red Ribbon" week in our schools right now (anti drug). For the record, I think it is great to teach kids not to abuse drugs. But kids are, for the most part, really smart. When they teach flat out blatant lies of the horrors of consuming cannabis, and then these smart kids experiment as they do, and none of the horror stories happen, then they assume that what they were told about meth, crack and smack must be a lie also...and all that crap about STD's and teen pregnancy, maybe they are exaggerated also.

This propaganda fueled prohibition is incredibly irresponsible, and only results in kids getting hurt.

The Jello Biafra spoken word from '91 called "grow more pot" is also excellent! (link on same thread as "the Union")

:leaf::peace::leaf:
 

Ghost420

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And how do you propose to take care of the people who "burn their brains out" on the drugs you have legalized? Some will need motorized wheel chairs, years of rehab, collect disability for the rest of their lives and millions in medical bills. Who is going to pay for their entitlements because the government decriminalized heroin and cocaine and now theres a 100x increase in it's availability and consequently 100x increase in related overdoses?

People might not like what I have to say, and you can go fuck yourself if you don't like it, but the idea that all drugs should be legal is stupid. I am the first person to fight for marijuana to be legalized, but you have to use common sense, and your radical extremist way of thinking scares those on the fence when it comes to marijuana legalization.
i agree with you why would you want something like meth legal
 

110100100

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First off to the OP, do you think you can possibly write like a human being please? Your posts are way more than a pain in the ass to read and it lends nothing to the credibility of your posts if you can not even compose a simple sentence.

Second there is a big difference between decriminalizing and legalizing marijuana. Decriminalizing would only allow possession of small amounts for personal consumption and the not for profit transfer of small amounts. Read Barny Frank's proposed bill HR 5843 It would not allow for the cultivation or sale of cannabis. This is a serious flaw. First it sets a trap situation. "Ok you can smoke it but don't grow any or try to buy it" This also means the gangs and drug cartels that are making money hand over fist from the cannabis trade would have an incentive to continue doing so. Sure there are honest local growers even in the draconian state I live in but it's not always possible to buy from them all the time. If it were legalized this would not be an issue.

Legalization means the complete removal from CSA scheduling just like alcohol and tobacco are not on the list now. That would make cannabis just like any other crop in America. Nobody telling people they can't grow their own tomatoes. Most people don't grow their own tomatoes just like most people would not grow their own pot. This is where the government would get it's slice from in the form of taxes.

FATBOY I'd like to know where you got the idea that you can not sell tobacco from. Sure you can you just need to follow federal, state and any local laws. I find no reference to any laws saying you can not grow and sell tobacco without proper permits and paying taxes on it. Just like any other legal product available in the U.S. Your fears there are totally unwarranted.

In some states growing a few plants is not a felony. Lying about a condition to a doctor to fraudulently obtain a med pot card on the other hand IS a felony. So for some people in some states they would be better off risking growing a few plants than committing fraud as you suggest they do.

Now I really hate to tell you this but no matter what you think about how safe you are under you states medical MJ laws if you are growing or selling pot your committing a felony under federal law and we all know the feds have so far had no problem busting dispensaries operating legally under state law. Ed Rosenthal was very lucky in that he got a sympathetic federal judge when it came time to sentencing. Just Ask Ed. So as far as your situation is concerned decriminalization would change nothing. It would still be illegal to grow even with a med card just like it is now.

The feds might not be cracking down on people growing med pot for their own use but that does not mean they can't and life as a convicted felon can be read hard for average people such as you and me.

Federal rescheduling of cannabis from schedule I to one of the lower schedules, which is basically what you are advocating, would be a step in the right direction BUT it would still leave the FDA/DEA in charge of regulation. I don't know about you bro but that's NOT what I want. Hell as it is now the FDA is trying to keep marijuana on schedule I but allow synthetic versions of cannabinoids/cannabinols like Marinol and Cesamet which are schedule III and II respectively. No No No...legalization is the ONlY answer.

Oh and BTW you guys talking about "tossing seeds"...DON'T!!! More good indoor weed gets ruined by stray wild male plants than the DEA. It's not only a bad idea for that reason alone but it will not achieve what you want anyway. Want proof? From NORML's website [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]98 Percent Of All Domestically Eradicated Marijuana Is "Ditchweed," DEA Admits[/FONT] they are already spending most of their eradication efforts (and your tax dollars) pulling up the remnants from when it was legal to grow hemp in the U.S. It would only take a season or three for the best seeds on the planet to be producing nothing more than low quality ditchweed.

Legalize and you open a $113 billion dollar a year industry to the American economy that would generate some $30 billion in tax revenue per year. It would also save the taxpayers over $10 billion a year we spend now on arresting, prosecuting and jailing marijuana users.

As far as the rest of the war on drugs? I don't think coke, meth, heroin...should be legal either BUT we spend billions a year on this "war" and we all know there is no way to "win" it. I don't know what the answer is but if they can't keep drugs out of prisons (and they can't) then there is NO WAY they can keep them out of the general population of the U.S. All we're doing is making gangs/drug cartels/criminals rich while wasting taxpayer money fighting ghosts.bongsmilie
 

smartsoverambition

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instead of fighting 2 get weed legalized, why don't we throw the dagger at them and sart campaigning to make tobacco and caffeine illegal, nd see what happens

fun fact: did u know a gram of pure caffeine makes u REALLY sick usually and 4 grams can kill you? also if u extract nicotine from snuff, and put it in sumones tea u could kill them?
 

llLOU

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First off to the OP, do you think you can possibly write like a human being please? Your posts are way more than a pain in the ass to read and it lends nothing to the credibility of your posts if you can not even compose a simple sentence.

Second there is a big difference between decriminalizing and legalizing marijuana. Decriminalizing would only allow possession of small amounts for personal consumption and the not for profit transfer of small amounts. Read Barny Frank's proposed bill HR 5843 It would not allow for the cultivation or sale of cannabis. This is a serious flaw. First it sets a trap situation. "Ok you can smoke it but don't grow any or try to buy it" This also means the gangs and drug cartels that are making money hand over fist from the cannabis trade would have an incentive to continue doing so. Sure there are honest local growers even in the draconian state I live in but it's not always possible to buy from them all the time. If it were legalized this would not be an issue.

Legalization means the complete removal from CSA scheduling just like alcohol and tobacco are not on the list now. That would make cannabis just like any other crop in America. Nobody telling people they can't grow their own tomatoes. Most people don't grow their own tomatoes just like most people would not grow their own pot. This is where the government would get it's slice from in the form of taxes.

FATBOY I'd like to know where you got the idea that you can not sell tobacco from. Sure you can you just need to follow federal, state and any local laws. I find no reference to any laws saying you can not grow and sell tobacco without proper permits and paying taxes on it. Just like any other legal product available in the U.S. Your fears there are totally unwarranted.

In some states growing a few plants is not a felony. Lying about a condition to a doctor to fraudulently obtain a med pot card on the other hand IS a felony. So for some people in some states they would be better off risking growing a few plants than committing fraud as you suggest they do.

Now I really hate to tell you this but no matter what you think about how safe you are under you states medical MJ laws if you are growing or selling pot your committing a felony under federal law and we all know the feds have so far had no problem busting dispensaries operating legally under state law. Ed Rosenthal was very lucky in that he got a sympathetic federal judge when it came time to sentencing. Just Ask Ed. So as far as your situation is concerned decriminalization would change nothing. It would still be illegal to grow even with a med card just like it is now.

The feds might not be cracking down on people growing med pot for their own use but that does not mean they can't and life as a convicted felon can be read hard for average people such as you and me.

Federal rescheduling of cannabis from schedule I to one of the lower schedules, which is basically what you are advocating, would be a step in the right direction BUT it would still leave the FDA/DEA in charge of regulation. I don't know about you bro but that's NOT what I want. Hell as it is now the FDA is trying to keep marijuana on schedule I but allow synthetic versions of cannabinoids/cannabinols like Marinol and Cesamet which are schedule III and II respectively. No No No...legalization is the ONlY answer.

Oh and BTW you guys talking about "tossing seeds"...DON'T!!! More good indoor weed gets ruined by stray wild male plants than the DEA. It's not only a bad idea for that reason alone but it will not achieve what you want anyway. Want proof? From NORML's website [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]98 Percent Of All Domestically Eradicated Marijuana Is "Ditchweed," DEA Admits[/FONT] they are already spending most of their eradication efforts (and your tax dollars) pulling up the remnants from when it was legal to grow hemp in the U.S. It would only take a season or three for the best seeds on the planet to be producing nothing more than low quality ditchweed.

Legalize and you open a $113 billion dollar a year industry to the American economy that would generate some $30 billion in tax revenue per year. It would also save the taxpayers over $10 billion a year we spend now on arresting, prosecuting and jailing marijuana users.

As far as the rest of the war on drugs? I don't think coke, meth, heroin...should be legal either BUT we spend billions a year on this "war" and we all know there is no way to "win" it. I don't know what the answer is but if they can't keep drugs out of prisons (and they can't) then there is NO WAY they can keep them out of the general population of the U.S. All we're doing is making gangs/drug cartels/criminals rich while wasting taxpayer money fighting ghosts.bongsmilie
EXCELLENT POST, COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER.:bigjoint:
 

Tib420

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They banned a herb that hasnt even been scientifically researched. How can you ban something when you know nothing about it and continue to ban research on it. The time will come one day to find the truth on what cannabis is all about good or bad. I personally don't think we should have to go to jail at all for smoking a bowl in your car at night. I know from experience I got charged with possession of marijuana and paraphernalia and the cops wrote up that I had over 4 grams when all I had was a lil less than a gram from a $40 sack. Cops can criminalize you even more easily; it's your word against theirs. alchohol and cigs kill like 20 million a year and mairjuana hasn't scientifically killed 1 person. cigs and alochol should be banned also; if marijuana is banned, right? But the governemnt makes billions off these items, banning them would cut their money in half and they can't really tax marijuana because it doesn't really come from anywhere. it will become legal in time just gotta wait
 

110100100

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They banned a herb that hasnt even been scientifically researched. How can you ban something when you know nothing about it and continue to ban research on it. The time will come one day to find the truth on what cannabis is all about good or bad. I personally don't think we should have to go to jail at all for smoking a bowl in your car at night. I know from experience I got charged with possession of marijuana and paraphernalia and the cops wrote up that I had over 4 grams when all I had was a lil less than a gram from a $40 sack. Cops can criminalize you even more easily; it's your word against theirs. alchohol and cigs kill like 20 million a year and mairjuana hasn't scientifically killed 1 person. cigs and alochol should be banned also; if marijuana is banned, right? But the governemnt makes billions off these items, banning them would cut their money in half and they can't really tax marijuana because it doesn't really come from anywhere. it will become legal in time just gotta wait
Educate your self man, it's quite clear from this post and your post about getting busted in the legal forum that you do not know the facts.

There are hundreds of studies on marijuana. You can start here http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7002 for info on medical marijuana and then try google for marijuana study.

You'll find studies that show the safety of pot, that pot is NOT a gateway drug and that it has no lasting long term effects.

While you're on the NORML website I'd recommend you read the your rights page and download and carry the freedom card with you.

Sad that someone could believe in something and know absolutely nothing about it.
 

Hayduke

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First off to the OP, do you think you can possibly write like a human being please? Your posts are way more than a pain in the ass to read and it lends nothing to the credibility of your posts if you can not even compose a simple sentence.
Educate your self man, it's quite clear from this post and your post about getting busted in the legal forum that you do not know the facts.
Dude! It is quite clear from your posts that you really care and want to help to educate people.

But could you possibly be a little nicer? Your e-spanking lends nothing to the credibility of your posts.

:leaf::peace::leaf:
 

110100100

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The first was intended as a bit of a spank I must admit but I did try to be polite, I said please. :)

The second I see nothing wrong with and was not intending to put the poster down at all. I was only stating the obvious. Sorry if anyone found it offensive it was not my intention.
 

jordisgarden

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MASSACHUSSETTS FUCKING RULES: its now a 100 dollar fine for anything under an ounce. the cops wont even enforce it because 1 when they passed the law to decrim, they didnt put in any repercussions for not paying the fine.(dumb fucks) 2 the cops are like , "are we suppoed to carry a fucking tripple beam around now?". hoo fucking raah for massasmokeafattychussetts
 

jordisgarden

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You'll find studies that show the safety of pot, that pot is NOT a gateway drug and that it has no lasting long term effects.


thats not really true bro and heres why. our whole lives we are told drugs destroy drugs kill , and youll be a looser junky and all that. mind you from the people we most trust. then one day your like 13 and dumb as shit and ballsy and dont think 2 minutes into the future right? then you smoke a fatty. and the first time it does nothing. then you try it again because you think you did it wrong. then you get stoned and fucking love it and go, " wow this shit is harmless, i didnt od or get hooked, or die like everyone said" then you get used to the effects and some day say well pot wasnt as bad as all those assholed lied to me to beleive, so why not try some coke, or better yet pills. i mean a doctor gives em to people how bad could they be. ive witnessed this myself numerous times in my child hood and had this reaction myself at 11 , this my friends is why i consider marijauna a gateway drug.....but im still gonna smoke it for the rest of my life. i just had to move my girls to a cousins house because my 7 year old found em. and as hippocritical as this sounds i have done it all and i will be 3 years off heroin in 2 months , i am gonna do everything in my power to make damd sure my kids dont end up doing drugs, booze and pot included. i know im a hippocryte but let me tell yas (HERES A PIC OF MY BEST BEST BEST "BUD" EVER. HOORAH JORDI 9-11-07 ANYWAY I BROUGH SOME SEEDS HOME FROM THE HINDU KUSH AND IM MIXXING EM WITH NEW YORK DEISLE THIS GROW, IM CALLING IT 911 --BEST BUD EVER GROWN ( PICTURE BELOW) WELL MY TWO BEST BUDS EVER.. MY 1ST AND SECOND BEST BUDS EVER
 

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MJG420

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I just Recently sent an E-mail to the Governor Of Iowa The Other Day about what a person would have to do to help getting Medical Marijuana legalized, They sent me a letter in the mail which I got yesterday.
It Reads

Deam ME,
Thank you for your recent correspondence regarding the useage of marijusana for medical purposes. We appreciate your taking the time to contact us.

Currently, the use of marijuana for medical purposes has been legalized by some states. However, in instances the laws have been subject to challenge; some people believe the such state laws may be pre-empted by federal laws regarding marajuana.

Marijuana is currently an illegal substance under iowa law. Our Administration has no plans to change the relevant sections of the Iowa Code regarding marijuana use.

Please do not hesitate to write us again with your thoughts. We appreciate your input.

Sincerely,
Chester J. Culver
Governor

The bastard didn't even sign it himself it was printed off da damn computer. I kinda expected this tho, So I am gonna write another letter and mail it. I know that the governor prolly never actually gets these so how would I be able to make a point to these people? Rally on the capitol!!!! 4/20

 

Sgt. Floyd

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You'll find studies that show the safety of pot, that pot is NOT a gateway drug and that it has no lasting long term effects.


thats not really true bro and heres why. our whole lives we are told drugs destroy drugs kill , and youll be a looser junky and all that. mind you from the people we most trust. then one day your like 13 and dumb as shit and ballsy and dont think 2 minutes into the future right? then you smoke a fatty. and the first time it does nothing. then you try it again because you think you did it wrong. then you get stoned and fucking love it and go, " wow this shit is harmless, i didnt od or get hooked, or die like everyone said" then you get used to the effects and some day say well pot wasnt as bad as all those assholed lied to me to beleive, so why not try some coke, or better yet pills. i mean a doctor gives em to people how bad could they be. ive witnessed this myself numerous times in my child hood and had this reaction myself at 11 , this my friends is why i consider marijauna a gateway drug.....but im still gonna smoke it for the rest of my life. i just had to move my girls to a cousins house because my 7 year old found em. and as hippocritical as this sounds i have done it all and i will be 3 years off heroin in 2 months , i am gonna do everything in my power to make damd sure my kids dont end up doing drugs, booze and pot included. i know im a hippocryte but let me tell yas (HERES A PIC OF MY BEST BEST BEST "BUD" EVER. HOORAH JORDI 9-11-07 ANYWAY I BROUGH SOME SEEDS HOME FROM THE HINDU KUSH AND IM MIXXING EM WITH NEW YORK DEISLE THIS GROW, IM CALLING IT 911 --BEST BUD EVER GROWN ( PICTURE BELOW) WELL MY TWO BEST BUDS EVER.. MY 1ST AND SECOND BEST BUDS EVER
I understand your argument but I don't see it as arguing that marijuana use in and of itself is a gateway drug. You're saying the lies told to kids are what causes them to move from marijuana to harder drugs.
 

IslandGreenGuy

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MASSACHUSSETTS FUCKING RULES: its now a 100 dollar fine for anything under an ounce. the cops wont even enforce it because 1 when they passed the law to decrim, they didnt put in any repercussions for not paying the fine.(dumb fucks) 2 the cops are like , "are we suppoed to carry a fucking tripple beam around now?". hoo fucking raah for massasmokeafattychussetts
I've have gotten two citation in MA. already. 100 bucks each.
But, as the nice officer who has given me both of these stated.
It only pertains to Possession of the drug.

If I catch you selling it, its still a crime. Be smart.

So, the moral is:
If they want to, they can arrest you for selling it. Probibly not, but they could. So don't be dick to the cops.
 

IslandGreenGuy

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I understand your argument but I don't see it as arguing that marijuana use in and of itself is a gateway drug. You're saying the lies told to kids are what causes them to move from marijuana to harder drugs.
I would say it's a gateway drug.. It certainly was the first drug I did.

Actully no it wasn't it was that fucking ciggarett I stole from my mother.

That Bitch got me hooked on drugs...

Needless to say, 7 years in prison and countless rehabs later. I'm the only one to blame. Not the Pot, not my mother. Certainly not the system..

It is what we make of it.. Thats it. People are Pre-dispistioned to drug addiction. It doesn't matter what you drug you try first.
 

110100100

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You'll find studies that show the safety of pot, that pot is NOT a gateway drug and that it has no lasting long term effects.


thats not really true bro and heres why. our whole lives we are told drugs destroy drugs kill , and youll be a looser junky and all that. mind you from the people we most trust. then one day your like 13 and dumb as shit and ballsy and dont think 2 minutes into the future right? then you smoke a fatty. and the first time it does nothing. then you try it again because you think you did it wrong. then you get stoned and fucking love it and go, " wow this shit is harmless, i didnt od or get hooked, or die like everyone said" then you get used to the effects and some day say well pot wasnt as bad as all those assholed lied to me to beleive, so why not try some coke, or better yet pills. i mean a doctor gives em to people how bad could they be. ive witnessed this myself numerous times in my child hood and had this reaction myself at 11 , this my friends is why i consider marijauna a gateway drug.....but im still gonna smoke it for the rest of my life. i just had to move my girls to a cousins house because my 7 year old found em. and as hippocritical as this sounds i have done it all and i will be 3 years off heroin in 2 months , i am gonna do everything in my power to make damd sure my kids dont end up doing drugs, booze and pot included. i know im a hippocryte but let me tell yas (HERES A PIC OF MY BEST BEST BEST "BUD" EVER. HOORAH JORDI 9-11-07 ANYWAY I BROUGH SOME SEEDS HOME FROM THE HINDU KUSH AND IM MIXXING EM WITH NEW YORK DEISLE THIS GROW, IM CALLING IT 911 --BEST BUD EVER GROWN ( PICTURE BELOW) WELL MY TWO BEST BUDS EVER.. MY 1ST AND SECOND BEST BUDS EVER
I understand your argument but I don't see it as arguing that marijuana use in and of itself is a gateway drug. You're saying the lies told to kids are what causes them to move from marijuana to harder drugs.
Floyd is exactly right.

It was not your use of MJ that made you try other drugs it was the fact that you figured out you were "lied to by the people you trusted most".

You didn't say to yourself "well I tried pot so now I'm going to try coke" you DID say to yourself "well I tried pot and it was not the evil, harmful, life ruining thing they told me it was so maybe they lied about everything else too I'm going to try it and find out"

Obviously all the lies you were told did nothing to stop you from trying marijuana in the first place right? So what makes you think it will have any positive effect on your children?

I'm not saying you should tell your kids to do drugs. I'm not even saying you should tell them to smoke pot. What I am saying is there is no such thing as a gateway drug and that being open and honest with your children will be better for you AND them in the long run. As you well know you can't control how someone else lives their life. What you can do is tell them the truth about things and trust they make intelligent informed decisions.
 

Sgt. Floyd

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What you can do is tell them the truth about things and trust they make intelligent informed decisions.
That's the best approach any parent can take. Give your kids honest information so they can make informed choices and realize that there comes a point when you can't make the choices for them.
 
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