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CaliWorthington

CaliWorthington

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Auntie Janes Nursery said:
Also some plants are more susceptible to pm than others. Older genetics that haven't been bred for it are more prone.
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This I agree with, the rest I'm not so sure, sorry. I'll say it again, why don't my other plants have PM? Surely the clone that got battered in shipping from the east coast during a heat wave would have picked it up by now. But Zkittlez is a lot more recent cut than So Cal Master Kush, so yeah.

I supposed if science says PM can't be inside the plant, then it was present on the surface of the clone when I received it.
 
Knobcheese

Knobcheese

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I’ve had the same issue. Only time I’ve seen pm was on clones from Strainly. Also was on just one of the two strains I received. Definitely wasn’t the environment. Don’t think the clones were strains as advertised so couldn’t really compare to what would be on resistant strains etc. Learned my lesson stick to local friends clones and pheno hunt. I trashed the strain with on immediately and never saw on again. Currently flowering the other strain and too early to tell if it’s worth keeping.
 
quiescent

quiescent

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No one's saying it wasn't present but that somewhere there was something that made it bloom. I didn't even say it was you that is making it appear. I gave you a few scenarios that could cause it to show itself.

Nitrates - all salt feeds, these can appear in organics as well if you're overdoing teas or ferments

Maybe it was fed too much before the clone was shipped to you. I will say all the pictures you posted are pretty dark green right now.

The humidity/watering issue could have started before/during shipping as well. It could have continued once it got there. I like to spray down my veg every other day if I can. Keeps new spores from settling and keeps the leaves from drying out which gives the PM another chance to show itself.

No shame in having a touch of PM pop up. Take it as a learning experience and make a couple changes if you see an opportunity to improve. I don't give a shit who is at fault, genuinely trying to help.
 
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mikeyboy2121

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UpstateRecGrower said:
I've done it and had it come back.
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Don't know your protocol, but it's never not worked for me.

I got a buddy who says the same thing, that his pm is resistant and Eagle 20 doesn't work on it. He still has pm to this day and just lives with it. That's just crazy imo. Imagine constantly smoking flowers that have pm. No thanks.

I've taken several cuts from him over the years and it always works. In fact I have cuts rooting right now that I just got from him. When he gave them to me I could see the pm on the leaves through the ziplock bag. Not even concerned one bit. First, before bringing indoors I dip in h202/water solution to kill the active breakout. Once dry I bring inside and dip in a single 16oz beer cup filled with an Eagle 20 solution with a drop of dish soap. Once dry they're ready for the cloner. Once they root and get big enough, I take fresh cuts off the new growth that will be pm free and trash the mom that got sprayed. Don't ever flower plants that got sprayed with Eagle 20, it's nasty stuff.

This method works 100% and is a one and done treatment.
 
UpstateRecGrower

UpstateRecGrower

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mikeyboy2121 said:
Don't know your protocol, but it's never not worked for me.

I got a buddy who says the same thing, that his pm is resistant and Eagle 20 doesn't work on it. He still has pm to this day and just lives with it. That's just crazy imo. Imagine constantly smoking flowers that have pm. No thanks.

I've taken several cuts from him over the years and it always works. In fact I have cuts rooting right now that I just got from him. When he gave them to me I could see the pm on the leaves through the ziplock bag. Not even concerned one bit. First, before bringing indoors I dip in h202/water solution to kill the active breakout. Once dry I bring inside and dip in a single 16oz beer cup filled with an Eagle 20 solution with a drop of dish soap. Once dry they're ready for the cloner. Once they root and get big enough, I take fresh cuts off the new growth that will be pm free and trash the mom that got sprayed. Don't ever flower plants that got sprayed with Eagle 20, it's nasty stuff.

This method works 100% and is a one and done treatment.
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I've had it work and also have had it not work. I struggled with pm for a while at one point, if it does happen to show up again I usually beat it pretty easily, one treatment.. but there seems to be some sort of pm that is pretty resistant against eagle 20 and will just keep coming back luckily I haven't dealt with it in some time..
 
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mikeyboy2121

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I'm not convinced in the existence of a resistant pm. I tend to think it's more a matter of methodology or dosage. Case and point, my buddy with the 'chronic resistant pm'. Anything is possible though. I've certainly never come across it.
 
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mikeyboy2121

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The other thing to keep in mind for those new to Eagle 20, is that it doesn't actually kill the pm, it merely prevents it from spreading. So, it's possible that you can treat a plant and the old foliage can have another breakout in the same place as before. This has happened to me once or twice and can happen within days of treatment, leading some to believe it 'didn't work'. If this happens, the affected foliage should be sprayed with h2o2 to kill the active breakout and then that foliage needs to be removed. Ideally, remove as much old foliage as possible before treating your plant. This is also a reason why you want to take fresh snips off new growth and trash the mom.

Last thing I'll mention is that I've personally never had a single bit of burn or damage to foliage from using this product. As always, avoid direct and intense light immediately after treating. Once dry, gradually re-introduce light to treated plants.
 
CaliWorthington

CaliWorthington

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quiescent said:
No one's saying it wasn't present but that somewhere there was something that made it bloom. I didn't even say it was you that is making it appear. I gave you a few scenarios that could cause it to show itself.

Nitrates - all salt feeds, these can appear in organics as well if you're overdoing teas or ferments

Maybe it was fed too much before the clone was shipped to you. I will say all the pictures you posted are pretty dark green right now.

The humidity/watering issue could have started before/during shipping as well. It could have continued once it got there. I like to spray down my veg every other day if I can. Keeps new spores from settling and keeps the leaves from drying out which gives the PM another chance to show itself.

No shame in having a touch of PM pop up. Take it as a learning experience and make a couple changes if you see an opportunity to improve. I don't give a shit who is at fault, genuinely trying to help.
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Actually the new shoots on the Master Kush are not that dark green. I know that strain is nute sensitive so the only food it's really received is the nute charge that's in the Happy Frog soil. The Zkittlez has definitely gotten darker and it has no PM. Also those mother plant pics are not super dark green in my opinion. I've never had a plant develop PM because it was overfed, at least not that I know of. I'll keep this in mind, though.

Anyway, $500 is a lot of money, so I do care where the PM came from.

Eagle 20 is toxic AF and I haven't found it to be any more effective than other PM solutions on the market. I have some Banish which is germanium oil, I hit it with that earlier. It's a bit less of a pain in the ass to use than Procidic, which requires the water to be pH'd between 5.5-6.0.

Sorry I don't feel like quoting everybody right now, but thank you everyone for your suggestions!
 
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CaliWorthington

CaliWorthington

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I'm not so stubborn that I don't want to improve my environment, so I'm gonna add another circulating fan and maybe increase the light intensity.

Getting back to Strainly, Ocean Grown Clones has a number of cuts I'd like, Soap, Rozay, White Truffle... I'm about to flower his Gelato 41 Bacio cut.
 
mudballs

mudballs

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mikeyboy2121 said:
I'm not convinced in the existence of a resistant pm. I tend to think it's more a matter of methodology or dosage. Case and point, my buddy with the 'chronic resistant pm'. Anything is possible though. I've certainly never come across it.
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only takes one spore to survive on the plant somewhere to continue spreading, so it could easily appear as to become resistant...more likely it was just a few spores that survived the treatment.
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quiescent

quiescent

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CaliWorthington said:
Actually the new shoots on the Master Kush are not that dark green. I know that strain is nute sensitive so the only food it's really received is the nute charge that's in the Happy Frog soil. The Zkittlez has definitely gotten darker and it has no PM. Also those mother plant pics are not super dark green in my opinion. I've never had a plant develop PM because it was overfed, at least not that I know of. I'll keep this in mind, though.
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My bad. I wasn't referring to the rest of your veg, just the plant in question.

That's why I said it could have happened before you even got it. It takes about 3 weeks to a month for the overfeeding to result in possible PM. It's always gonna be on older growth. Around when the feeding happened that growth stored extra nitrates in the leaves.

You'll get it righted, I'm sure.

I'll look for the clip where a consultant explains why PM pops up and you can send it to the dude with your $500.
 
tkufoS

tkufoS

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CaliWorthington said:
I'm not so stubborn that I don't want to improve my environment, so I'm gonna add another circulating fan and maybe increase the light intensity.

Getting back to Strainly, Ocean Grown Clones has a number of cuts I'd like, Soap, Rozay, White Truffle... I'm about to flower his Gelato 41 Bacio cut.
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Rozay that I've tried was pretty good. I could imagine what it would have been like grown properly.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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I would avoid Eagle20 (or any ‎Myclobutanil product) like the plague. Yes the stuff works, but at what cost? That shit is a toxic systemic that has a half-life of 60-days, which means that it's not gone from the plant for long time. Get your environment in check and skip the ‎Myclobutanil. I mean, I guess if you have a near-extinct elite cut that you really really need to save from total extinction, it might be worth it, but even then I'd veg that clone out, and take a cuttng more than 2 months later, trash the mom, and veg out the new cut. Really though, tissue culture is the better option in that scenario.
 
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