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Manidoo

Manidoo

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Dividedsky said:
100% agree with you on pretty much everything. Lots of people forget the Greenhouse Seed Co and Shanti and Mr Nice especially were at the forefront of breeding modern cannabis in the 90s and more so- they were getting the seeds to homegrowers. All though I also wouldn't buy from Dutch breeders these days(except Karma genetics/I think they're Dutch) but do have to acknowledge the Dutch for what they did progressing the whole cannabis laws/scene and culture in general. Though must add-I think alot of the Dutch capitalized on Cali growers who went over there in the 70s with their genetics fleeing harsh weed laws and possible prison sentences. Not surprising seeing as the Dutch are known to be very clever at business.

Thing is if your looking for something special-you're better off just hunting packs of seeds yourself, that's were you'll find a true gem that would blow the doors off a so called "breeder" cuts. Chances are if you are buying what's labeled a breeders cut it is mostly likey not a breeders cut. A breeder is not going to want to give out their prized female stock that they might still be using and making crosses with, no way. It's easy for someone to say so though. Also nowadays the next big cut could be in a pack of seeds you're running- look at the very expensive clone going around right now-white truffle, it's going for $1000+ for 1 cut- The white truffle came from a lil seed company called Fresh Coast Genetics out of Michigan. The white truffle is actually fresh coast's gorilla butter, it literally came from a seed of fresh coast's genetics gorilla butter which is- gorilla glue #4 x Peanut butter breath, couple years ago you could get a pack of the Gorilla Butter for under $100- my buddy ran it and it was fire.

If you want something that is usually only in cut form there's few breeders that probably have s1 of said cut like csi who is awesome and trusted for reversed genetics.
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Funny how it goes. That Truffle is herming (no surprise) in the privileged people's gardens and as well in the hands of the many that bought into the hype. Looks like fools gold from the views of it I have seen and it will fade into the past before we know it and something else catches everyone's eyes as it's marketed by hype.

I actually wasted my money on the Chem91 seeds and no offense to Nspecta I see why he's not hoarding them lol nothing really special unless you sift and sift. It's why I just said enough is enough I'll just get the real thing and be done with the waste of my money hunting through the S1'S. And this I did and I have zero regrets now even though it's not a unicorn or holy grail.

But yes generally the seeds are going to be a better bet then the hyped up cut and the many subpar close but no cigar cuts. There's a lot of fakes in the scene and it's as if it's like someone is sending out more than just one cut to throw the masses off while the privileged continue to hype and work the cut that's not openly shared. I've yet to see a breeders cut that really stood out. Most of these are just potent if anything and all too often their poor breeding plants.

Yeah buddy those mid 90's genetics coming through the Dam were epic in so many ways and it was an era of it's own unlike the lame one taking place nowadays!
 
Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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Dividedsky said:
Tang read what happened with you man that fucking sucks dude. I feel ya. I went thru something similar, though I didn't get any virus or pests with cut I bought- nothing like that. Just paid for what I thought was a legit breeders cut and it ended up being trash, ran it twice cause I thought it might have been me not being used to feeding what the cut needed and nope it's just it sucked. My buddy also ran it and it also sucked for it him. Cut was $350 and has made me very weary of grabbing online clones from vendors. Feel like you're better off chatting with your fellow growers and trading with them. I'm so lucky also because I almost did a full room run with that cut and that really would have set me back huge.
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Aww thanks. I suppose it comes with the territory but it sure doesnt make it sting any less when you've wasted that kind of time on something you wanted to run in production.
And I gotchu on the Trop Cherry. I'm retesting moms atm, but give me a couple weeks.
Dividedsky said:
white truffle, it's going for $1000+ for 1 cut- The white truffle came from a lil seed company called Fresh Coast Genetics out of Michigan. The white truffle is actually fresh coast's gorilla butter, it literally came from a seed of fresh coast's genetics gorilla butter which is- gorilla glue #4 x Peanut butter breath, couple years ago you could get a pack of the Gorilla Butter for under $100- my buddy ran it and it was fire.
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I still dont get the hype over this one. I get that it washes well but so do countless others. There are sooo many similar crosses with GG4/Dosi/Breath that one could easily find multiple keepers from. *shrugs*
 
Manidoo

Manidoo

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Tangerine_ said:
Aww thanks. I suppose it comes with the territory but it sure doesnt make it sting any less when you've wasted that kind of time on something you wanted to run in production.
And I gotchu on the Trop Cherry. I'm retesting moms atm, but give me a couple weeks.

I still dont get the hype over this one. I get that it washes well but so do countless others. There are sooo many similar crosses with GG4/Dosi/Breath that one could easily find multiple keepers from. *shrugs*
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Same with the Koosh, I bet I can find a better cut out of the same seeds without needing more than a few packs. 800 plants, there should be a good bit of cuts . I know that line and my OGKB Pine Bomb came out of this one. Only two packs necessary
 
Bodyne

Bodyne

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Manidoo said:
Funny how it goes. That Truffle is herming (no surprise) in the privileged people's gardens and as well in the hands of the many that bought into the hype. Looks like fools gold from the views of it I have seen and it will fade into the past before we know it and something else catches everyone's eyes as it's marketed by hype.

I actually wasted my money on the Chem91 seeds and no offense to Nspecta I see why he's not hoarding them lol nothing really special unless you sift and sift. It's why I just said enough is enough I'll just get the real thing and be done with the waste of my money hunting through the S1'S. And this I did and I have zero regrets now even though it's not a unicorn or holy grail.

But yes generally the seeds are going to be a better bet then the hyped up cut and the many subpar close but no cigar cuts. There's a lot of fakes in the scene and it's as if it's like someone is sending out more than just one cut to throw the masses off while the privileged continue to hype and work the cut that's not openly shared. I've yet to see a breeders cut that really stood out. Most of these are just potent if anything and all too often their poor breeding plants.

Yeah buddy those mid 90's genetics coming through the Dam were epic in so many ways and it was an era of it's own unlike the lame one taking place nowadays!
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Seen breeders direct talking bout s1s the other day of calebs, the lemon tree. Some guy claimed his pack of lemon tree was shit lol and the discussion turned to s1s and apparently you will hardly find a replica of mom but will prolly find a better one but having to go thru more numbers. I kinda thought was kinda the other way around. Between that and getting some of hybs exe and reading the brochure, he has a lil diff take on fems, making fems, breeding fems. If I read it right, he says you making your own hybrids etc is a good thing, seed line improvement and total control of both parents without time and mistakes made with males you use sometimes
 
Manidoo

Manidoo

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Bodyne said:
Seen breeders direct talking bout s1s the other day of calebs, the lemon tree. Some guy claimed his pack of lemon tree was shit lol and the discussion turned to s1s and apparently you will hardly find a replica of mom but will prolly find a better one but having to go thru more numbers. I kinda thought was kinda the other way around. Between that and getting some of hybs exe and reading the brochure, he has a lil diff take on fems, making fems, breeding fems. If I read it right, he says you making your own hybrids etc is a good thing, seed line improvement and total control of both parents without time and mistakes made with males you use sometimes
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Yes it does depend on what exactly is being Selfed. If it's just a Super Polyhybrid like a good amount of the cuts, it is a mutt and can be a lot of fun to pick apart be it in a outcross, or just selfing to omit anything else becoming a part of the deck your accessing in this situation. With truer breeding plants and actual IBL types your gonna find pretty much the same phenotypes and it often is weaker in several things beyond just vigor, from potency to immunity there's a trade off when they are selfed as negative traits can be doubled up.

Breeding for yourself and making true highbrid stock is a great way to escape the game and become self sufficient. This is where the grower can really put their skills to the test and learn about how plants combine, it doesn't take a deep understanding initially in regards to the selective and non selective breeding plants to begin the journey and I advocate for anyone who wants to do it. I'm a retired Chef and it's true that anyone can cook if they learn. They might never reach the professional Chefs pinnacles, but they can cook for themselves. Same thing with breeding plants, it's not rocket science and anyone who wants to learn the basics can easily do this. No they might never be someone reknown for their excessive talents and gifts with the plant, but none the less they're going to smoke well.
 
Dividedsky

Dividedsky

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Manidoo said:
Same with the Koosh, I bet I can find a better cut out of the same seeds without needing more than a few packs. 800 plants, there should be a good bit of cuts . I know that line and my OGKB Pine Bomb came out of this one. Only two packs necessary
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I never got the whole, we hunted over 1000 seeds to find this one pheno...bullshit, I'm sure some have but let's face it most don't. I have found great gems hunting one pack sometimes it's hit or miss, but phenohunting from 1000 beans of the same strain for the perfect male or female cut is just more exaggerated bullshit to make it look like the customer is getting something that rare and exotic and being able to tax the shit out of said strain/cut/male.
 
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Northeastbudz

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Dividedsky said:
I never got the whole, we hunted over 1000 seeds to find this one pheno...bullshit, I'm sure some have but let's face it most don't. I have found great gems hunting one pack sometimes it's hit or miss, but phenohunting from 1000 beans of the same strain for the perfect male or female cut is just more exaggerated bullshit to make it look like the customer is getting something that rare and exotic and being able to tax the shit put of said strain/cut/male.
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I feel like 2 packs is the sweet spot ,if I cant find what im looking for out of 10-12 females then its on to the next .usually I find a keeper from one pack. Modern genetics really are great...
 
Manidoo

Manidoo

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Dividedsky said:
I never got the whole, we hunted over 1000 seeds to find this one pheno...bullshit, I'm sure some have but let's face it most don't. I have found great gems hunting one pack sometimes it's hit or miss, but phenohunting from 1000 beans of the same strain for the perfect male or female cut is just more exaggerated bullshit to make it look like the customer is getting something that rare and exotic and being able to tax the shit out of said strain/cut/male.
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Tell me sweet little lies! If you look at the sheer amount I have posted on Insta under the Manidoo Seeds handle I use for my project your gonna find that nothing was selected out of anything more than just a few trays and a few hundred is more than enough to find plenty of keepers regardless of the seed origin and stock. We picked killer highbrid plants back in the midst of the 90's out of Mexican import that was Hybridized with Broad Leaf types and it was never necessary even then to grow more than just a handful of seeds to find gems.

Sadly Sam the Smartass or Skunk Man as he loves to be known insisted that people are just poorly breeding with poor numbers be it direct lines or open pollination where he stated you need more than just hundreds lol

This plant evolved in smaller isolated places then he's letting others know. It only grows in the thousands when planted in the thousands for charas and other products including textiles from the diversity of plants used for not just hash but utilized to their fullest potential from textiles to seed and oils.

Otherwise there's no magical forrests of thousands and thousands of plants growing wild to even compare. I also have to say that nature takes out the weak and people like Sam include it when open pollination takes place smh ! Might explain why his skunk went sweet somewhere in the midst of his work lol
 
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Midwestsmoker419

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I have run 5 different growers keeper cuts of pbb. So say each popped 1 pack each to find that keeper . Out of these 5 I could pick a keeper depending on what I am looking for terps, yield, color ect. Each one is different pheno some similar in ways but each different. That tells me you may find something special in one pack but the more you hunt the more you may find something really unique.
 
Diesel0889

Diesel0889

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Shinobi_cuts has not shipped to me again yet, had said Monday. Haven't heard nothing since. For now I see it as it is. I have many plants I can use for now (thank god). Hoping I get a tracking number today. Time will tell. In his defense I think he is swamped so... im not being a dick. Fingers crossed, still think he will ship though.

Dookie farms delivered and was a fair deal. Grabbed the gmo and helln back (swamp boys). Overnight and packed well. No complaints here. Seen the genetics in other forums already. He is legit imo.

Have the "weasel cut" Sour d in transit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of talks and my family holding the cut for 25 years before it was lost *smoke from fire next store lol. Def think it's the real deal. Guy knew more about sour than most I come across. May run it small in living soil this round so I can report back. The good ol days!

Happy growing!
 
Manidoo

Manidoo

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Midwestsmoker419 said:
I have run 5 different growers keeper cuts of pbb. So say each popped 1 pack each to find that keeper . Out of these 5 I could pick a keeper depending on what I am looking for terps, yield, color ect. Each one is different pheno some similar in ways but each different. That tells me you may find something special in one pack but the more you hunt the more you may find something really unique.
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Tell me sweet little lies. If you look at my insta channel under ManidooSeeds your gonna find nothing but Elites I pulled out of my own work never needing more than just a few trays max.And rarely ever beyond just a few dozen at max unless it's a female hit by several males or just a selfing exploration

Sam the loudmouth is a good reason people think they need to start with hundreds even though he says that is nothing more than a laugh. But hey he does not cull what nature does in the open pollinated crowd he's supposedly responsible for breeding in the thousands even though it's apparent he couldn't even retain the skunk unless you want his sweet version lol . Sadly his influence is still echoing and people lie to stand in the shadows of a really nasty individual that thinks he's superior like the charlatans posing as breeders lol
 
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Midwestsmoker419

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Manidoo said:
Tell me sweet little lies. If you look at my insta channel under ManidooSeeds your gonna find nothing but Elites I pulled out of my own work never needing more than just a few trays max.And rarely ever beyond just a few dozen at max unless it's a female hit by several males or just a selfing exploration

Sam the loudmouth is a good reason people think they need to start with hundreds even though he says that is nothing more than a laugh. But hey he does not cull what nature does in the open pollinated crowd he's supposedly responsible for breeding in the thousands even though it's apparent he couldn't even retain the skunk unless you want his sweet version lol . Sadly his influence is still echoing and people lie to stand in the shadows of a really nasty individual that thinks he's superior like the charlatans posing as breeders lol
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I like that you are informative and willing to share your knowledge of being a breeder if I ever get that far I will ask you to pick your brain. That all itself is a whole another thread man.
 
Manidoo

Manidoo

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Diesel0889 said:
Shinobi_cuts has not shipped to me again yet, had said Monday. Haven't heard nothing since. For now I see it as it is. I have many plants I can use for now (thank god). Hoping I get a tracking number today. Time will tell. In his defense I think he is swamped so... im not being a dick. Fingers crossed, still think he will ship though.

Dookie farms delivered and was a fair deal. Grabbed the gmo and helln back (swamp boys). Overnight and packed well. No complaints here. Seen the genetics in other forums already. He is legit imo.

Have the "weasel cut" Sour d in transit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of talks and my family holding the cut for 25 years before it was lost *smoke from fire next store lol. Def think it's the real deal. Guy knew more about sour than most I come across. May run it small in living soil this round so I can report back. The good ol days!

Happy growing!
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His antics are catching up with him and busy or not he seems like he's chewed more than he might be willing to put in a work week.

I'll be the first one to say that it's not looking good for his reviews here as it adds up. Looking at the cuts posted and the others I've been watching it's like a wild show and you just might be getting neglected clones as it's being noted that quality has been poor too due to negligence on his end.

I waited for about ten days for the cereal milk a while ago and it was a little bit starved & had been feasted on by the thrips. It was clean though unlike the shipments my buddy received recently infested with thrip pupae. These were really sick in comparison with the Cereal Milk I recieved. Couldn't pay me to take in a cut of his again- no way, not happening here and I thought he was okay initially even though I had to pay more than just $50 considering the time in nursing things back to health
 
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Midwestsmoker419

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The clone game is and will always be a thing due to the fact some are limited to space/plant numbers/time. This thread is to help those growers who have no choice but to seek genetics via clone with the best possible outcome.
 
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Midwestsmoker419

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Manidoo said:
His antics are catching up with him and busy or not he seems like he's chewed more than he might be willing to put in a work week.

I'll be the first one to say that it's not looking good for his reviews here as it adds up. Looking at the cuts posted and the others I've been watching it's like a wild show and you just might be getting neglected clones as it's being noted that quality has been poor too due to negligence on his end.

I waited for about ten days for the cereal milk a while ago and it was a little bit starved & had been feasted on by the thrips. It was clean though unlike the shipments my buddy received recently infested with thrip pupae. These were really sick in comparison with the Cereal Milk I recieved. Couldn't pay me to take in a cut of his again- no way, not happening here and I thought he was okay initially even though I had to pay more than just $50 considering the time in nursing things back to health
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So shinobi is the vendor you were referring to at the start?
 
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Midwestsmoker419

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Manidoo said:
I have been pretty limited to the few risks I have taken on Strainly.

Only ones that I can recommend that sent legitimate healthy cuts to me as well as others I know was as follows:

All Star
Dookie
Aromatherapeuticgenetics
Pink Box
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Ok now we are getting to the thread. You reccomend these 4. Who are the vendors you dont reccomend? Since shinobi and another you dont.
 
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