Auntie Janes Nursery
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It can be cultured out over time with meristem culturing and cleaning but I mean unless it is a rare killer plant then there is no reason. The price is up there. Probably a few k.
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thenotsoesoteric
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Hell no, most go into the garbage can.
Midwestsmoker419
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If most packs are going to the can wouldnt your chances increase if you grabbed more packs? I have seen some people grabbing more then one of the same ticket trying to win.
Diesel0889
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Well I have yet to get cuts from you but you are on my list. Enough people here have respect for you (people I trust as Reliable).
Also to boot you put you money where your mouth is and have no problem providing test data. You can't keep everyone happy. Hplvd could possibly mean I suck at growing lol. I can here the stampede of happy customers coming to defend you right now.
I have even recently been on the recovering end of shitty cuts. It sucks but unfortunately if you play you WILL pay at some point. Most vendors if they are any good make right on it but grower error don't count. It's disappointing seeing you have to defend yourself as I've seen nothing but positive reviews and comments here bout auntie Jane!
I saw this reveiw today checking what you have rooted atm. That BS won't slow me down from buying from you.... prob a competitor! We will talk soon im sure.
Northeastbudz
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Does anyone on strainly have the banana og clone.i have been trying to get ahold of it with no luck whatsoever.
Dividedsky
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The problem with this is that once you sell a few of those $500-1000k cuts> then some of those assholes that bought em in bumfuck wherever will give cuts to their friends and then they will give those cuts to their friends and so on, so forth...now alot of rare so called exotic cuts are around everywhere...That is when a cut will start to lose it's exclusivity and value.
Also the breeders don't give out the cuts they are working with and there are cuts that are very tightly held in the US that won't be on strainly and never will reach vendors. The clone game as reached an all time money grubbing level and my only advice is to do you research on who your getting your cuts from, make sure they are trusted and have good reviews, get cuts tested for diseases and pests, and good luck. I'd also say never put you faith in one cut, test it and grow it out to make sure it's what you like, never just blindly think it will be automatically great and be worth to do a full room run of- that is when shit can go south and you can end up screwing yourself. There are good vendors out there but there is also a lot of shitty ones. There's also strains that are just not great, I've gotten bad cuts from good vendors before.
CaliWorthington
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Mainely has a write-up about viroid on his profile page. This might be old news, but I don't remember it being there before.
Dividedsky
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The dudding disease seems to be prevalent with some of the vendors cuts.
UpstateRecGrower
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Yeah It's new sorta, He changed it probably 4-6 weeks ago
UpstateRecGrower
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Im working on tissue culture now, i've has success with microcloning next I'm going to attempt meristem tc the newest 5-10mm to get viroid free moms and cuttings available on strainly.
Tangerine_
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Sure is. My very first run-in with dudding came from a "trusted vendor" (and I had peeps here waiting on cuts from that plant) To say I'm relieved life got in the way of me sending is an understatement! Testing is a great tool, but more importantly, I observe the plants closely thru several cycles to really be sure.
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UpstateRecGrower
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Same here. I got mine from whom many would consider the most trusted vendor on strainly who actually no longer offers clones.
Auntie Janes Nursery
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One thing about observation is that sometimes it can be grower or environment related as opposed to HPLvD. I have had teens bunched in a tent once with a low level T-5 light and some of the lower branches were going more out then up, trying to find light, with three finger leaves (some of which overlapped) and the stems were weak (didn't have any air movement in there)
Sent a few sample in for testing to make sure none of the teens were dudded and all came back negative. They are now in another persons indoor garden blowing up and stacking.
The test does not 100% clear the plant from any HPLvD. Multiple tests are definitely needed. I mean I am testing some decent sized mothers most of the time so just 3 leaves may not pick out the virus.
I will be honest. I do not deal with many strainly vendors at all anymore even being one myself. I do not see many mentioning testing cuts in their methods and the way this thing transfers is like a game of hot potato for most. I mean this is a virus that people should be weeding out. It is mechanically transferred which means by human error. It is not some bug, it does not live in the soil or the water. It is in a plant and transferred to another through mainly human hands although there are some instances where bunching and rubbing may transfer. Knowing the source of the clones may help but that only can go so far. If Darkheart is point A then even with their history I trust point A. If someone without testing in their garden is point b then I am skeptical as hell. I will say this. I did grab cuts from MadScientist (MAC, Sundae Driver (Black sheep farm cut), Cherry pie, and Ice cream cake) not one of those tested out positive and the Apple Fritter from Mainely who has been probably tested the most next to the Ice Cream cake, has come back negative every time. But then you go and look at Mainely's page and all of a sudden you see at some point he even got the virus. The Fritter sticks around because its verified but from now on we only take in cuts from distributors that are leading the forefront in testing. Node labs, Darkheart nursery, Purple city genetics..... And even those we will test out still just to ensure that any coming in may not have been missed but those three companies run vigorous testing. Makes our testing look petty. But the goal is to isolate it out and garbage anything with it. If everyone had access to well priced solid genetics I feel like they would be more than willing to get testing done and part with the crap that has it. Then start fresh with less opportunity of bringing it in.
One side note. Its rate in seed form has also increased. I believe it is still below 10% but that is enough to say that seeds can be a carrier as well. So people popping seeds of genetics that may be known for it may want to run some testing as well.
Everyone should be reading DarkHearts white paper and their 3 part series about HPLvD. Great informative stuff in there. One thing I found reassuring is that the virus itself needs a living host to actually live. Its RNA sequencing basically only lasts about 2 hours in inanimate vectors. This means it is most likely not in your water supply, It is not in previous seasons soil, the transfer from pests is a low rate, it is not some sort of having to scrub down an entire room with bleach type issue.
Clone distributors need to be more part of the solution than the problem. We all love this plant and want to see it thrive to the best of its ability.
Tangerine_
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Agree. Thats why I observe for several cycles.
^this is a good analogy^
I've read this as well. And I'll admit, I'd thought of reversing a couple of my plants that tested positive so I could try to salvage the line but decided against it. They're just polys and its not worth the risk
thenotsoesoteric
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The odds increase but what I'm thinking is say 2 people both run the same cross, 1 person runs 100 plants and 1 person runs just 1 plant. The person that runs 1 plant could still end up with the better keeper.
Honestly I'd prefer to hunt through more but its not always the guaranteed winner.
Dividedsky
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Chances are no one here as gotten those exact cuts from that exact vendor especially seeing as the the Gary and cheetah are new kids on the block in terms of hype cuts. You should just be checking if vendor is legit more than anything. I think some people have used PNW, cruise through the thread and use search bar, I'm sure you find some info.
gosabres716
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Buy it Ill trade the fake chemd he sold me for it! Jk j
Dividedsky
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Thats statement he put out says it all, they closed up shop because of it. I'd say get all cuts tested yourself for (HpLVd). It's just not worth the risk of a ruined grow that could set you back 10s of thousands. This seems to be a lot bigger of a problem than people are aware. You pretty much should be surgical about dealing with cuts if your not getting them tested. Bottle of rubbing alcohol next to you at all times when in grow room and constantly be cleaning fiskar snips between pruning and taking cuts and have a bunch of extras snips.
Tissue culture and testing will be the way of the future.
Also another great way to not get this, is the old fashion way> run seeds and phenohunt.
Sqwee
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Facts, I'm learning my lesson the hard way right now. I'm pretty much positive that one of my plants had TMV, its spread to two other plants in my flower tent and I may have to cut the entire crop down. I was also going to make some seeds but I don't trust breeding with anything in that tent.