GrownAtHighAltitude
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Hey, ya'll do it your way. I just call it like I see it, and I've seen a lot of shit over the decades.
| My soil was over 3 years old
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| My soil was over 3 years old
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ChronicWonders.
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What dirty cuts brought it to your gardens?
JustBlazin
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I got a few cuts from auntie janes nursery a few years ago. He had a gushmints that he didn't know was infected. A bunch of plants on my second flower run dudded on me. So I had them all tested and sure enough hlv positive. I brought it to his attention and he has been shut down since.
or SFV OG which was known for three finger leaves
Why would an entomologist care? This is the virologist's wheelhouse. Anyway it's a known disease. There's no question about it's existence now. I lost a table to dudding very early on. It was HLVD. Here ya go check the bibliography on that. That's the full text:
New Insights into Hop Latent Viroid Detection, Infectivity, Host Range, and Transmission - PMC
Hop latent viroid (HLVd), a subviral pathogen from the family Pospiviroidae, is a major threat to the global cannabis industry and is the causative agent for “dudding disease”. Infected plants can often be asymptomatic for a period of growth and ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Sadly I believe I got mine from seed
I think if you are bringing clones in you need a quarantine setup and until you are sure there are no bugs or disease (testing services are going to be the new gold rush) keep it there. Life finds a way.
JustBlazin
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Yep, definitely learned the hard way. They were bug free, but unfortunately they had hlv. They had been tested for hlv from the person i got them from, so I assumed they were good.
Now I quarantine everything I bring in until it's tested by me through tumi.
Yes and the viroid doesn't appear in newer growth immediately is my understanding. So you can end up with a false negative. It's sad and it's showing up all over the world, sigh.
JustBlazin
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When i got it they had literally just started root testing, which they say is 100% accurate as far as I know. Before that they would test leaf and stem i think, which is not very accurate.
Now they ask for root and leaf/stem samples from different spots on the plant.
Hopefully it starts to fade with all the testing going on now.
I hope you're right although if you look at the bib. of what I posted I'm doubting it.
slacker140
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I don't see it going away anytime soon. Just a lot less often if you only use clone vendors that fully test everything they have(even then there's still a risk as justblazin experienced). It spreads too easily and the testing is too expensive for most hobby growers to test all their cuts or even just one cut because of minimum order amounts. And most shops selling clones don't test anything. Until testing costs are cheaper I think it will still be spreading around quite frequently. I use 3 rivers biotech for testing and it's almost half the cost of tumi and it's still expensive.
Trap Star
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It's been hectic keeping track of solid hobby clone holders....every other clone holder is selling fake cuts or hlvd garbage.
Strainly & legal states made it possible for every clone dealer to sell cuts...but not all of the sellers were underground forum heads.
So shit got nasty...bugs, hlvd, powder mildew...
Now you gotta sort threw a sea of bullshit.
Some sellers have lab reports
But you don't have proof of genetics
HLVD is not in seed...
So unless you have a solid clone holder
You are dealing with FAKE cuts....
Strainly & legal states made it possible for every clone dealer to sell cuts...but not all of the sellers were underground forum heads.
So shit got nasty...bugs, hlvd, powder mildew...
Now you gotta sort threw a sea of bullshit.
Some sellers have lab reports
But you don't have proof of genetics
HLVD is not in seed...
So unless you have a solid clone holder
You are dealing with FAKE cuts....
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Sadly it is
An Inside Look into Biological Miniatures: Molecular Mechanisms of Viroids - PMC
Viroids are tiny single-stranded circular RNA pathogens that infect plants. Viroids do not encode any proteins, yet cause an assortment of symptoms. The following review describes viroid classification, molecular biology and spread. The review also ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
ChronicWonders.
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He might’ve had it before and didn’t even know. I tossed out a bunch of stuff in 2020ish, none of it from him but I suspect we were grabbing stuff from the same vendor in California that went out of business shortly after.
nxsov180db
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Have you used these vendors?
Cloney: has HLVd
Hashnerd: While I have not heard anything bad such as HLVd, it doesn't appear that he flowers anything out, if I don't see a sellers flowering pics im out.
Allstar Clones: Haven't heard anything bad but he also told me he doesn't test, but that was a while ago.
Here's who I know of for sure that has a clean garden
Cloud Life
Reefer Madness
In the sticks garden
Big ass clones
Lupos maniacs
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Trap Star
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I didn't want to bring up cloney because i knew he had some other issues...
But his clone stock is STILL massive
An his genetics are verified...
With that many cuttz
I knew he was bound to get hlvd somewhere
Him an All Star Clones are the largest verified clone holders in the Game.
If I had any advice for cloney it would be to test for HLVD an trash what doesn't make the cut..
He can always rehunt what he lost.
Testing will get his good name back in order.
With the Volume that cloney has -- Testing is going to cost a GRIP. If Kamala Harris takes office we can bank on federal legalization....cloney would have the clone market in a vice grip with HLVD Testing.
Just my 2 cent
But his clone stock is STILL massive
An his genetics are verified...
With that many cuttz
I knew he was bound to get hlvd somewhere
Him an All Star Clones are the largest verified clone holders in the Game.
If I had any advice for cloney it would be to test for HLVD an trash what doesn't make the cut..
He can always rehunt what he lost.
Testing will get his good name back in order.
With the Volume that cloney has -- Testing is going to cost a GRIP. If Kamala Harris takes office we can bank on federal legalization....cloney would have the clone market in a vice grip with HLVD Testing.
Just my 2 cent
MtRainDog
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I wouldn't say Cloney's library is 100% verified... some of the cuts are as verified as other clone vendors out there... I have nothing against Cloney, just sayin he isn't the second coming of clone Jesus.
Unga Bunga
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Only my opinion but at the price of clones testing shouldn't be an issue of cost . I'm mainly speaking of the big clone dealers .
The cost of keeping a mother plant isn't all that much . Licensing and procurement of the original cut would seem to be the largest outlay . How many clones can a good mother produce ? I had mother's that made 100's over their lives .
The cost of keeping a mother plant isn't all that much . Licensing and procurement of the original cut would seem to be the largest outlay . How many clones can a good mother produce ? I had mother's that made 100's over their lives .