strains you wish we available in feminized form?

More like I wish there were more strains available in regular seed.

themanwiththeplan said:

amen to that! or at least do like hazey says and offer 5 packs (its hard to pony up $110-200 for a 10 pack of regs!)



you have the right idea. id love to give mr nice, sensi, dj short, tga, and a few others a shot in fem form.

thats one thing i like about fem's...you can buy just one...test it out...and see how you like it without a big financial commitment.


i still dont understand how some of these really experienced breeders still hate on fems and think they are whats wrong with cannabis breeding. most cite hermies as the problem but then that makes me question how much they really know about breeding since i figure the "fems will be hermies" myth was something the elite got past.

oh well. i have a small grow space now (1.5x1.5 or 2x2 at most) so im limited to running at most 2 plants at a time unless i use waterbottles and go s.o.g.

what i think im gonna do is buy some regs and run em and if i find a winner or two i'll just make S1's..if i get a good male ill save up some pollen etc. we'll see how it goes.

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Inbreeding is unquestionably a threat to the gene pool. Also growing practices in general. It's one thing to breed a variety, but so few do anything regarding genetic preservation or they do it poorly (ie: I took one branch from one male and pollinated one branch from one female).

mcrandle said:

Well, some of them are not the cheapest, but you do get 15 seeds a pack. And you could do what I did, and keep a couple males, make your own seeds.
I ended up with over 250 Neville's Haze seeds. Now considering what I paid for them, I not only made my money back, but I got about 16 packs-worth of Nev's Haze, which would amount to about 2400 dollars. And that was just one seed run. I hate fems. They are of no use to me.

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so you bred a neville's haze male to a neville's haze female? how did the offspring turn out? im hesitant to do that just because sometimes inbreeding can have bad results. just wondering. how many offspring have you grown out?

you got 250 from allowing 2 full size plants to pollinate????or just one branch?

PaulN'Chuck said:

Subcools WHole things is "No fem Seeds" .... He actually says theyre for pussies.... But thats just one guy. I dont like fems myself but thats because Ive had one to many hermies.

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wow I'd like to see where he said fem is for pussies and why? Too pussy to risk a hermie? Doesn't make sense. Or people who lack the room to chuck out half a grow of males are pussies?

Especially when you're going to have go through 10 packs of tga gear and then choose from you're 100 phenos haha

If subcool for real says shit like that then he is the pussy and bigger moron then I thought

Edit. Iv never once had to throw out a fem because of it going to hermie. A few sacks can be pulled off no big deal..

stoned cockatoo said:

wow I'd like to see where he said fem is for pussies and why? Too pussy to risk a hermie? Doesn't make sense. Or people who lack the room to chuck out half a grow of males are pussies?

Especially when you're going to have go through 10 packs of tga gear and then choose from you're 100 phenos haha

If subcool for real says shit like that then he is the pussy and bigger moron then I thought

Edit. Iv never once had to throw out a fem because of it going to hermie. A few sacks can be pulled off no big deal..

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i agree. whoever says fems are for pussies is an idiot and cannot be taken seriously. lol

the only hermies ive had from fem plants is those by suspect breeders who are sometimes known to use shady business practices who just breed from hermies. a good fem breeder insures the plant he uses does not have the hermie trait by stressing it to see if it will hermie. if it stays a true female then its a good candidate to hit with CS and make crosses/S1's or watever the goal of that breeding experiment is.

only company to sell me hermies was ghs which isnt always known as a top notch breeder. however ive grown tons of gear in feminized form from dinafem, paradise, Reserva Privada, etc. without 1 issue. not a single pollen sac.

Inbreeding is unquestionably a threat to the gene pool. Also growing practices in general. It's one thing to breed a variety, but so few do anything regarding genetic preservation or they do it poorly (ie: I took one branch from one male and pollinated one branch from one female).

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that's why if you're SERIOUS about breeding, you're supposed to breed two separate lines for the same traits and once you've gotten consistent offspring after the 3rd generation, i believe, then you re-unite the two lines in a stable hybrid. i like keeping everything i breed around, even schwaggier strains. that gives me a variety of similar strains i can try to revive a tired line with some time in the future if that ever happens. eventually, when any breeder's gear gets tired, they breed it with something different to restore hybrid vigor and then back cross it to the original mother which then becomes a balancing act. the first BX will have the most hybrid vigor, but also the most expression of the new male's genes and with every generation of back crossing to the original mother, you get closer to offspring that are almost "clones" of her, but then you run back into genetic waning again.

the whole point of sexual reproduction is to keep genes mixed up to compensate for mutations that accumulate. with selective breeding, you try and isolate specific traits which leads to mutations piling up in a line like all those diseases inbred royalty suffered in the past or purebred dogs are really starting to suffer from these days with even fatal recessive genetic diseases in some breeds.

i never really understood the idea, if you you were trying to offer a sativa & revitalize it's genes, a breeder would go to the exact opposite end of the spectrum with an afghani. yes, you get all kinds of vigor, but also annoying traits that are hard to get rid of. skunk #1 is a 25% afghani that's BXed to a sativa and it's still stony and even at 12.5% in haze skunk, you can still detect it's stone in the buzz as well as it's impact on the flavor. it would make so much more sense to use a different sativa if you were serious about preserving psychoactivity. if you have a mexican strain, breed it with an african or asian and so on. then your BX would be much closer to what was intended.

some have complained about the genetic drift today that's resulted in so many phenos. it can't be helped. you can't breed a strain forever. i see it as a serious plus myself. that's where we get all of the wild flavor variations we get today. there are probably a dozen skunk #1 phenos out there now like cheese, lemon & roadkill (aka brick wall). so what if you can't get 100% original anymore? now there's a whole new world of possibilities and so much variety out there, it's possible to get almost any flavor of THC profile imaginable. it's a golden age, especially if you like hazes and getting high because that wasn't happening at all in the beginning when skunk #1 was as "trippy' (NOT!) as you could get with everything else being an indica... northern lights #5 (& # something else), afghani, williams wonder, & maple leaf were about all you could get. there was no haze on the market in the late 80s i think right up to the mid 90s or even later when neville released his. i remember there only being a couple hazes available even after 2000 when i got online and his was crazy expensive at that, like $280! now they're everywhere.

a lot of obscure strains have creeped into the market too over the years. there are a few columbians out there that weren't around even 7 years ago when destroyer & senor garcia were as pure as you could get.

all the variety makes picking and choosing more of a chore, but imagine all of that variety. there's a ton of 3rd & 4th generation strains out there now that have the kinds of highs NO ONE except indie breeders that already had their own lines could even dream of anymore during the dark ages.

themanwiththeplan said:

so you bred a neville's haze male to a neville's haze female? how did the offspring turn out? im hesitant to do that just because sometimes inbreeding can have bad results. just wondering. how many offspring have you grown out?

you got 250 from allowing 2 full size plants to pollinate????or just one branch?

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Well, to answer your first question, the offspring are fine. Not too many negatives on the offspring, 95% of the ones I ran were good, the other had a few mutations here and there. There is a thing of inbreeding the Nevs that results in a cat piss odor, however, it was a one off thing for me, so I just did the one seed run because I didn't want to lose the genetics and spend more money. But yeah, inbreeding can be a problem.

As far as the seed count, that's how many I got from one 3 foot plant. LOL, one branch would have been awesome! But no. What I did was wait for the buds to gain some growth, so I waited until the sixth week of flowering to pollinate it. Shit, even at six weeks, this plant looked like it had only been flowering for 3. It went 15 and 1/2 weeks of flowering total once the final popcorn but was ripe.

I also pollinated a couple Dj Short Blueberry. And the small popcorn buds each had 5-7 seeds in them. You'd be surprised the amount of seeds that will come out of one bud. Now those genetics were a perfect match. And the offspring look nothing like Blueberry, just straight up Sativas.

And holy shit, that pollen is a motherfucker if you don't want it around. It took out a few innocent bystanders in the process. All good genetics though, so it wasn't a bad thing.

I'm not a breeder, nor do I grow like I used to, and I only smoke with myself and my girlfriend. The sole purpose for making those seeds was just so I wouldn't have to spend anymore money for a long time. Plus the male was a heavy yielder that I did not want to pass up. You are correct, I wouldn't keep inbreeding, you never know with genetics.

stoned cockatoo said:

wow I'd like to see where he said fem is for pussies and why? Too pussy to risk a hermie? Doesn't make sense. Or people who lack the room to chuck out half a grow of males are pussies?

Especially when you're going to have go through 10 packs of tga gear and then choose from you're 100 phenos haha

If subcool for real says shit like that then he is the pussy and bigger moron then I thought

Edit. Iv never once had to throw out a fem because of it going to hermie. A few sacks can be pulled off no big deal..

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I know, he was even talking about making a shirt that say's "fem seeds are for pussies" funny thing is I think I've seen more hermie reports comeing from tga than any other company.

I haven't grown any fem seeds myself yet but I really want to try sensi star from paradise so I think that will be the first fem seeds I buy I also kinda want to buy a pack of white rhino from greenhouse to see if it can compete with mr. nice's medicine man (aka white rhino).

My first grow was greenhouse white rhino. It didn't hermie and it had a lot of trichs but was fairly weak to smoke but as I said was first grow

the more you grow, the more you learn. testing strains is fun, even merely OK ones. then you can tell others what's average and what's awesome. if you want the real deal white rhino, get mr nice's original medicine man. that's the pure stuff. white strains are well known for being harsh and tasteless though. i'll take quality THC over quantity any day, but i'd bet medicine man is better.

PaulN'Chuck said:

Subcools WHole things is "No fem Seeds" .... He actually says theyre for pussies.... But thats just one guy. I dont like fems myself but thats because Ive had one to many hermies.

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If subcool says that fems are for pussies then regs are sure for the dickheads...so it's a retarded thing to says so..

I tried Herming a Chernobyl I let her run to about 16 weeks stressed with allsorts and it didnt happen. The few that did show were sterile.


Hazeygrapes. you need to stop telling people you breed, tell the truth. You dont have a strain that as been cubed or a stable P1. So what you do is the same as most do today and that is Blind hacking. You wont get that strain your on about from 1 fem seed hacked into another one.

A Breeder grows out numerous seeds searching for a particulare pheno then locks it down.

So stop spitting out words your repeating from others, or the same repetative Bollox . You aint a breeder, you wont be with the ability to only grow 3-5 weeks past veg.

canna_420 said:

I tried Herming a Chernobyl I let her run to about 16 weeks stressed with allsorts and it didnt happen. The few that did show were sterile.


Hazeygrapes. you need to stop telling people you breed, tell the truth. You dont have a strain that as been cubed or a stable P1. So what you do is the same as most do today and that is Blind hacking. You wont get that strain your on about from 1 fem seed hacked into another one.

A Breeder grows out numerous seeds searching for a particulare pheno then locks it down.

So stop spitting out words your repeating from others, or the same repetative Bollox . You aint a breeder, you wont be with the ability to only grow 3-5 weeks past veg.

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He has yet to "finish" a grow. It is absolutely laughable that he considers himself a breeder when he has never even harvested a finished plant.

Subcool is not the only breeder at TGA, he is just a good front man
Chernobyl is not his work if i remember right, I read someplace this week who did it

mcrandle said:

Well, to answer your first question, the offspring are fine. Not too many negatives on the offspring, 95% of the ones I ran were good, the other had a few mutations here and there. There is a thing of inbreeding the Nevs that results in a cat piss odor, however, it was a one off thing for me, so I just did the one seed run because I didn't want to lose the genetics and spend more money. But yeah, inbreeding can be a problem.

As far as the seed count, that's how many I got from one 3 foot plant. LOL, one branch would have been awesome! But no. What I did was wait for the buds to gain some growth, so I waited until the sixth week of flowering to pollinate it. Shit, even at six weeks, this plant looked like it had only been flowering for 3. It went 15 and 1/2 weeks of flowering total once the final popcorn but was ripe.

I also pollinated a couple Dj Short Blueberry. And the small popcorn buds each had 5-7 seeds in them. You'd be surprised the amount of seeds that will come out of one bud. Now those genetics were a perfect match. And the offspring look nothing like Blueberry, just straight up Sativas.

And holy shit, that pollen is a motherfucker if you don't want it around. It took out a few innocent bystanders in the process. All good genetics though, so it wasn't a bad thing.

I'm not a breeder, nor do I grow like I used to, and I only smoke with myself and my girlfriend. The sole purpose for making those seeds was just so I wouldn't have to spend anymore money for a long time. Plus the male was a heavy yielder that I did not want to pass up. You are correct, I wouldn't keep inbreeding, you never know with genetics.

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i agree this is a golden era. were making more and more advancements in marijuana breeding than ever before. at one time skunk #1 was a cutting edge hybrid. lol. now look at what we have in contrast. i agree with you completely. its only gonna get better. granted we will lose some strains along the way. good news is im certain those deemed most important will be preserved in some form for decades to come at the least.

don't be an idiot when you don't even know the definition of breeding. any time you make seeds, you've bred weed. it's that fucking simple!

i never claimed to do intense selective breeding. how else would you know what the fuck i even do to be such a whiny annoying troll?

who the fuck do you even think you are to go around putting YOUR fucking labels on anyone? welcome to my mute list troll. talk to the sphincter!

i grow the strains i want in my garden, i like most of them a lot and love a few, i knock everything i grow up so i have seeds to tinker with, though i'm still testing other's gear more than my own, which makes me happy and all my preggers gals who get to pass their genes on.

yes, i AM bypassing nature by selecting which male gets to knock up all my females. i'll do whatever the fuck i want in my fucking garden. if you don't like it... something that rhymes with toad.

hazey grapes said:

don't be an idiot when you don't even know the definition of breeding. any time you make seeds, you've bred weed. it's that fucking simple!

i never claimed to do intense selective breeding. how else would you know what the fuck i even do to be such a whiny annoying troll?

who the fuck do you even think you are to go around putting YOUR fucking labels on anyone? welcome to my mute list troll. talk to the sphincter!

i grow the strains i want in my garden, i like most of them a lot and love a few, i knock everything i grow up so i have seeds to tinker with, though i'm still testing other's gear more than my own, which makes me happy and all my preggers gals who get to pass their genes on.

yes, i AM bypassing nature by selecting which male gets to knock up all my females. i'll do whatever the fuck i want in my fucking garden. if you don't like it... something that rhymes with toad.

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what rhymes with toad?

how do you breed in these 16 oz cups ? p.s. I had to save your pics their great for a laugh.lol


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Being serious because I have no idea.
Is it actually possible to pollenate and get mature seeds from plants you cut down and smoke from plants that only went 5 weeks 12/12 from seed?
I generally pollenate around 2 weeks into flower on plants that I grow 8-10 weeks in flower. Then I leave them in the buds for the 30 day cure. After that I get seeds out as I am going through the smoke and leave them out another couple of weeks to dry out before I put them in the fridge for storage.

UH, FOAD rhymes with toad, of course.

you answered your own question showing that pic of fruity booty. that's my 1st TESTED hyrbrid, though i still have untested LSD x C99 & haze skunk x C99s from the same generation that produced super cali haze x C99, aka fruity booty, and man were the buds ever thick and sweet on that one. i bet she would have tasted even better under the halide she was bred under as, just as i suspected, you need full spectrum for full terpene expression.

as it stands, fruity booty 2.0's lineage... my longest yet will be (SCH X C99) X (C99 x A11), but last winter's sweet haze x (C99 x A11) should be much much much better tasting and trippier to boot.

i'm just dabbling and having fun mixing genes up for no other reason than i can, and i prefer growing naturally and with hardier plants. i still have a lot to learn and mistakes not to repeat, but i'm past the old days of scamming leaflet trim until my plants stress out and die because that's the quickest way to get high when dealers don't want to be bothered with it.

now if i could just duct tape my neighbor's mouths and toss them in the basement... i could really start getting shit done. too bad i don't have a basement. i could get a lot more done with that than keeping nosy fucks outta my biz and having to tiptoe around my own living space.

now that you've had your little laugh, why don't you show us the crosses YOU'VE made... oh... what's that? you only do clones? oh... you have sickly plants with spider mites?