strains?

150wHPS

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what does the process of making a new strain entail?

i mean, hypothetically, i want to make a new strain. i have several sets of genetics available. where do i start, and what do i do?

is it as simple as crossing two strains and inbreeding for a few generations? or am i missing something?
 

dr. weird

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what does the process of making a new strain entail?

i mean, hypothetically, i want to make a new strain. i have several sets of genetics available. where do i start, and what do i do?

is it as simple as crossing two strains and inbreeding for a few generations? or am i missing something?

yes and no. that's the most rudimentary way of making your own strain, but the pros would tell you to pick a good female mate it with a male, test the progeny, mate it with another male, test the progeny, etc. until you find a good male with the progeny you're looking for. then you would do the same with the offspring. you can do it by crossing two strains and inbreeding, but ultimately all you're making is a cross, which probably isn't going to get you into a cannabis cup, but you will get some good smoke that no one else on the planet has, and no connosieur can take that away from you.

i recommend picking up a copy of "marijuana botany" and "the cannabis breeders bible" if youre really serious about breeding.
 

150wHPS

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not "serious" about it yet. but as with all things that i do, "when i do something i do it right".

ill definitely pick up those books when im not broke from spending all my money on seeds and grow lights and nutes et c.

thanks man
 

Buddreams

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Found somewhere on riu:

Breeding fine cannabis involves carefully choosing the breeding stock. To choose wisely we must first define male and female cannabis:

Female Cannabis – The female cannabis plant, unlike the male, is grown to produce marijuana. Premium marijuana is produced in seedless form by eliminating all pollen sources from the growing environment. Seed production reduces the value of marijuana dramatically by lowering the yield and potency of the flowers. Hermaphrodites are plants expressing both male and female flowers. They may fool a grower who mistakes the "hermie" for a female - only to find his crop is ruined by the unexpected release of pollen. Knowledgeable marijuana breeders are very careful to avoid hermaphrodism in their seedlines.

The attributes of a valuable female are the following (in descending order of importance):

1. Resistance to hermaphrodism
2. Vigor/Yield
3. Potency
4. Flavor
5. Rate of flowering response
6. Resin production
7. Stature
8. Scent
9. Floral structure
10. Floral color


Male Cannabis – The male cannabis plant is essentially only useful for breeding. The male plant makes very poor marijuana, being mostly leaves without the dense resinous floral clusters of the female the yield is miserable. More importantly, the male of the species has virtually no potency in comparison to that of female cannabis. The males do carry genes that influence the expression of ALL the traits listed above, but not many of them are directly observable in the male itself due to the male phenotype being markedly different from the female phenotype. A male cannabis plant’s value is DEFINED by the quality of his daughters.

Naturally, when starting out with a large number of potential breeding individuals, one desires to “weed out” the undesirable individuals.

The female is easy to evaluate because all the traits favoring marijuana production are directly observable in the female. It's a simple matter of growing & flowering the females to grade their performance and smoking the resulting marijuana. The breeder then chooses only those females most closely matching the breeder's personal ideal to be used as seed parents.

The directly observable & important traits of male cannabis are as follows:

1. Resistance to hermaphrodism
2. Vigor
3. Stature
4. Maturation rate

All males expressing poor quality in any of these traits should be culled so as not to pass the weak trait on to the progeny.

Males are also be observed to have a certain scent and floral structure but the importance of these traits pale in comparison to those listed.

The potency of male plants, and especially the potency difference between individual males in a group, is generally too subtle to be measured by anything short of professional scientific laboratory equipment. Moreover, there is no conclusive proof that the most potent male in a group actually creates the most potent female progeny, although it seems intuitive that that should be the case. The difficulty of determining a male plant's potency is a major hurdle to proving this link.

Thankfully, logic dictates that the potency of a male plant ITSELF isn’t very important, as we aren’t interested in growing males for marijuana production. The value of a male lies entirely in the traits he consistently passes on to his daughters. Therefore it’s unnecessary to identify the one male amongst a group of potential pollen donors with the greatest potency. It’s far more logical to evaluate the female progeny of each male to define the potency of each male in the group.

Male cannabis individuals may be graded for quality by a controlled pollination of IDENTICAL female clones (one for each pollen donor). This isolates the influence of the male by holding CONSTANT the influence of the female on each cross. The seeds resulting from each clone are then grown and the progeny is graded to determine which of the crosses was the most successful. When the group with the most desirable female progeny is identified, the responsible male has been identified as the most valuable. Males can be kept in the vegetative state exactly like female “mother plants”, except that we should call them “dads” of course. Clones from the favored male can be flowered as needed along with the breeding female(s) when seeds are desired.

Due to the clandestine nature of marijuana growing, in most cases there will only be about 10 males to be evaluated after culling all those with directly observable defects. Breeding with larger populations is always preferable, as genetics is a statistical "game".

Commercial breeders would clearly benefit from the development of a reliable method of identifying males with the greatest potential for passing on high potency genes. Perhaps someone will do the necessary research someday, but by following the above method, growers can accurately pin-point the ONE male in their small group which is the most potent...in the only meaningful sense of “male potency”.
 

150wHPS

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wow! thank you so much. thats exactly my question...

so once a breeder gets all those traits exactly the way he/she wants, he can then comfortably call the resulting offspring a new "strain". makes perfect sense.
 

SeniorRaincloud

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get a male of one plant and a female of the other! let them do there thing and there you will have a different type of strain!
 

northeastern lights

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I take my best female and select a male. Then before the pollen sacks open you harvest your male. I then put it on a paper plate under some light. The pollen sacks will open. I then sepereate the sacks from the pollen and use a small paint brush to paint some lower female branches. This way you don't seed the whole plant. I just made seeds with a plant that was in veg but had pre-flowers, this is another way. Best of luck breeding.
 

150wHPS

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thanks northeastern..... By "harvest" the male, you mean actually pull it from the ground? And the pollen sacs will still open? Do I need to put the male under HID lighting once I harvest him? Or will ambient room lighting work?
 

northeastern lights

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thanks northeastern..... By "harvest" the male, you mean actually pull it from the ground? And the pollen sacs will still open? Do I need to put the male under HID lighting once I harvest him? Or will ambient room lighting work?

Yep as soon as it's ready I cut off all pollen sacs and put them on a paper plate and I just leave them in the bathroom with the light on, nothing fancy.
 

150wHPS

Active Member
awesome... I've been looking for the perfect solution to my need for seeds and this seems to be it... You're the man.
 
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