Stress your plant, increase terpenes & thc

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Drop That Sound said:
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Aboveground mechanical stimuli affect belowground plant-plant communication

Plants can detect the presence of their neighbours and modify their growth behaviour accordingly. But the extent to which this neighbour detection is mediated by abiotic stressors is not well known. In this study we tested the acclimation response of Zea mays L. seedlings through belowground...
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Synthetic microbe-to-plant communication channels - Nature Communications

The soil microbiome communicates with plant roots using a chemical language. Here, using p-coumaroyl-homoserine lactone as the synthetic communication signal, the authors demonstrate programmable microbe-to-plant communication from the sender in the soil bacteria to a receiver in the plant.
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Communication between plant roots and the soil microbiome; involvement in plant growth and development - Symbiosis

Root-associated microbial communities have strong influences on the health and development of plants. Through the secretion of root exudates, the soil microbiome is impacted by plants, thereby steering plant-soil reactions. Considering the importance of root exudates in the establishment of...
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These were dense. Plants have very complex ways of communicating.
Its really fascinating that seedlings that dont touch each other will focus on root growth, and seedlings that do touch will direct energy to above ground growth. Unless I misunderstood the info on that first link.

I wonder if stretching in flower is reduced if the plants in that grow space arent touching?
 
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@PenisBuilt I have bookmarked your response. I will dive deeper into everything you have mentioned. Some of those diagrams are beyond me, at this very moment.
A healthy plant produces excellent flowers. With great genetics, even better. Im pretty sure this is common sense. No one is debating that.
My curiosity propels me to explore many aspects relating to this plant. To learn is all I care about... and growing fire
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decrepit digits

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I have stressed and tortured plants since I first started. The only time it is usefull is when making seeds, after a seed is made you can only make the plant worse by poor growing. Growing gorilla in patches for years you see everything happen to one plant and not the rest or the entire patch but not another patch. All clones so the exact same plant under differing conditions, no change from growing stress unless it is a change for the worse. Oh you might be able to slightly change the smell and looks but not the effects for better.
 
Funkentelechy

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Are we sure that the production of THC and terpenes is a defense mechanism and not an attractant? They certainly attract us and that attraction has caused us to spread it to places it would otherwise never have grown if it weren't for our attraction to THC and terpenes. That's a pretty successful propagation strategy. A better strategy than say poison oak/ivy that clearly produces compounds to keep us away.
 
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Funkentelechy

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I've never seen a study showing higher THC strains being more bug resistant, have you? Is Hemp more susceptible to insects than "drug" type strains grown for taste and THC?
 
Farmer's Hat

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Funkentelechy said:
Are we sure that the production of THC and terpenes is a defense mechanism and not an attractant? They certainly attract us and that attraction has caused us to spread it to places it would otherwise never have grown if it weren't for our attraction to THC and terpenes. That's a pretty successful propagation strategy. A better strategy than say poison oak/ivy that clearly produces compounds to keep us away.
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Thats a good point. I have seen THC kill insects. Maybe its both a repellent and attractant.
 
Star Dog

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I've read high brix plants are more resistant to insects, taste better and store better.
I just googled a link for an example of brix.
www.ecofarmingdaily.com

Picky-Eater Insects Pass On High Brix Plants - EcoFarming Daily

One must understand at some level that insects do not attack healthy plants. Knowing your leaf Brix levels is crucial to knowing your crop.
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I've not looked into brix extensively but it might interest you?
 
Farmer's Hat

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Star Dog said:
I've read high brix plants are more resistant to insects, taste better and store better.
I just googled a link for an example of brix.
www.ecofarmingdaily.com

Picky-Eater Insects Pass On High Brix Plants - EcoFarming Daily

One must understand at some level that insects do not attack healthy plants. Knowing your leaf Brix levels is crucial to knowing your crop.
www.ecofarmingdaily.com www.ecofarmingdaily.com
I've not looked into brix extensively but it might interest you?
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Thanks for sharing this. Really useful info. I should get a Brix refractor to check the leaves of some of the plants. One of my purple mothers has a sticky leaf surface. I kid you not. I can make a video showing how my fingers get sticky just by rubbing the leaf... In vegetative state! No visible trichomes. It must be some type of sap that is an insect repellent, because that plant had a great time in the greenhouse. Meanwhile, the Brandywine right next to it, got attacked by pests and powder mildew. Lol

Its also good to know that sugar in soil plays a very important part in all of this. "Depending on environmental conditions and the health of the plant, approximately 20-70 percent of the sugar (photosynthate) is expelled into the soil from the roots. This expelled sugar feeds the microbes that will, in turn, break down minerals and supply them to the plant. Therefore, high Brix plants will support a thriving subculture of microbes in the soil."
I wonder how molasses helps with all of this?
What I find really fascinating is that some plants struggle despite all the stuff we do to keep them strong and healthy. In those cases, I think the plant struggles because of its genetics. It was born to lose, in a way.
 
MissinThe90’sStrains

MissinThe90’sStrains

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store.rockdustlocal.com

BrixBlend Basalt 40#

store.rockdustlocal.com

I use this stuff in my soil mix (Paramagnetic, high Brix). It’s the same stuff they source for Build A Soil (Read the fine print from the bottom of the page, it’s drop shipped directly from this site, for an up charge).

Take a little dive into: “paramagnetic soils” and the benefits in growing trials.
 
conor c

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Funkentelechy said:
Are we sure that the production of THC and terpenes is a defense mechanism and not an attractant? They certainly attract us and that attraction has caused us to spread it to places it would otherwise never have grown if it weren't for our attraction to THC and terpenes. That's a pretty successful propagation strategy. A better strategy than say poison oak/ivy that clearly produces compounds to keep us away.
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What would be the benefit though I know bees and other pollinators might nick some cannabis pollen but it's evolved to be wind pollinated so I can't see it but who knows we don't know exactly why it produces what it produces we can guess but we ain't totally sure there's still lots to learn
 
conor c

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Farmer's Hat said:
Thanks for sharing this. Really useful info. I should get a Brix refractor to check the leaves of some of the plants. One of my purple mothers has a sticky leaf surface. I kid you not. I can make a video showing how my fingers get sticky just by rubbing the leaf... In vegetative state! No visible trichomes. It must be some type of sap that is an insect repellent, because that plant had a great time in the greenhouse. Meanwhile, the Brandywine right next to it, got attacked by pests and powder mildew. Lol

Its also good to know that sugar in soil plays a very important part in all of this. "Depending on environmental conditions and the health of the plant, approximately 20-70 percent of the sugar (photosynthate) is expelled into the soil from the roots. This expelled sugar feeds the microbes that will, in turn, break down minerals and supply them to the plant. Therefore, high Brix plants will support a thriving subculture of microbes in the soil."
I wonder how molasses helps with all of this?
What I find really fascinating is that some plants struggle despite all the stuff we do to keep them strong and healthy. In those cases, I think the plant struggles because of its genetics. It was born to lose, in a way.
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It could be or it could be too much sugars and it's guttation I've seen that before when I went over the top with the carbs before
 
Funkentelechy

Funkentelechy

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Farmer's Hat said:
Thats a good point. I have seen THC kill insects. Maybe its both a repellent and attractant.
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I really have no clue this is all complete speculation on my part, but it seems like Cannabis is just as susceptible to insects as most other plants in my garden/yard, so if it is a repellent it's not a very effective one.
 
conor c

conor c

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Funkentelechy said:
I really have no clue this is all complete speculation on my part, but it seems like Cannabis is just as susceptible to insects as most other plants in my garden/yard, so if it is a repellent it's not a very effective one.
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Yeah I agree some fair better than others and some seen a magnet for pests but I don't think that bit is intentional who knows though we got so much to learn still
 
Funkentelechy

Funkentelechy

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Agreed! I have no clue but it's something I've wondered about.
I keep bees and one year I sent some honey into a lab to have the pollen analyzed, there were unexpected things in there like poison oak pollen and pine pollen, but no Cannabis. I don't know if there were any males within the area that the bees collect from, though.
 
conor c

conor c

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Funkentelechy said:
Agreed! I have no clue but it's something I've wondered about.
I keep bees and one year I sent some honey into a lab to have the pollen analyzed, there were unexpected things in there like poison oak pollen and pine pollen, but no Cannabis. I don't know if there were any males within the area that the bees collect from, though.
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I've seen bees use it so they definitely will if there in a taking mood
 
Fatjoe

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I probably stress plants more than most. I combine lst, hst, supercropping, monster clones, and then I add a screen.

No plant is goes unmolested in my garden. They start training at about 3 nodes. I twist, bend, remove leaf, and crush n bend stem no matter the stage.

I once left the main stem intact and crush n bent over all secondary growth at 3 wks in flower.
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She gave me 8+ oz.
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A common site in my tents. Stress? Yeah, lots of it..lol
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So when I hear folks say stress in flower is not good I have to chuckle a little. They know not what they are missing.
 
Farmer's Hat

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Fatjoe said:
I probably stress plants more than most. I combine lst, hst, supercropping, monster clones, and then I add a screen.

No plant is goes unmolested in my garden. They start training at about 3 nodes. I twist, bend, remove leaf, and crush n bend stem no matter the stage.

I once left the main stem intact and crush n bent over all secondary growth at 3 wks in flower.
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She gave me 8+ oz.
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A common site in my tents. Stress? Yeah, lots of it..lol
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So when I hear folks say stress in flower is not good I have to chuckle a little. They know not what they are missing.
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Thats some serious stress! Lol
I think some plants need that type of stress training. Nice haul by the way. :blsmoke:
 
Farmer's Hat

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MissinThe90’sStrains said:
store.rockdustlocal.com

BrixBlend Basalt 40#

store.rockdustlocal.com

I use this stuff in my soil mix (Paramagnetic, high Brix). It’s the same stuff they source for Build A Soil (Read the fine print from the bottom of the page, it’s drop shipped directly from this site, for an up charge).

Take a little dive into: “paramagnetic soils” and the benefits in growing trials.
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"Paramagnetic soils are soils that are mildly attracted to magnets and partially align with the Earth's magnetic field. Paramagnetism is a magnetic state that occurs when an atom has one or more unpaired electrons, which are attracted to a magnetic field."

Really cool stuff. Just got done reading a few articles in the topic. I will give it a try and see how it compares. I recycle all my soil, so it seems like a good investment considering that most of the paramagnetic soils dont break down. To my understanding, its basically micro magnets helping the microbial life in the soil.
 
Star Dog

Star Dog

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I've been recycling my coco for a 2/3 years you should see the life in it?459bf3c0867957b52b27eb103867fb1418028dd2_2_345x194.jpeg
Tons of pot worms.
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Tons of idk what?
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I've some clips taken under the microscope looking at a drop of run off, it was fed mineral salts 3x daily to run off with 4/5 ppm of chlorine each time.
It might interest some of you microbe enthusiast's coco is heaving with microbial life even from new.
 
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