stupid bitch!!!!!

Ace Yonder

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thecannacove said:
I understand what you're saying, and I knew someone would have this response :). And you're right a picture means nothing and making a judgement by a photo is ignorant of me. At the same time you're assuming the father did these over affectionate things without knowing him.. the accusations are simply very convenient timing is all I'm saying.

You make a good case about her parents actions of withdrawing the high school tuition though. I missed that originally and thought it was just her college tuition. Something is fishy on both sides if you ask me.
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I agree. I think this is just the cows coming home to roost. They raised a daughter who watched their tactics and now is ready and willing to use them against them. I just fight for the underdog. And without getting too specific, I know two people who's fathers are serving jail time for sexually abusing their children and their children's friends, and at a local school a teacher was just arrested last year for sexually abusing four students over the course of five years. In both of the cases of people I know personally, there was over a year in between the initial accusation and the arrest because in each case no one believed them until both guys, as well as a couple other people, were caught in a big child pornography sting, and photos of the girls being abused over the course of several years were found in the sting. A full year of no one believing them, and them being forced to live with their molesters/rapists. That is a fucking nightmare I wouldn't wish on anyone. So I have seen these patterns before and I know the little things to look for where things just don't click, and even if the girl in this case hasn't been sexually abused, she CERTAINLY has been emotionally abused bast the point anyone could be reasonably expected to take.
 
Ace Yonder

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fr3d12 said:
I'd be inclined to go with the latter.
She was ditching school and staying nights at her bf's against her parents wishes, as I said previously if she was being abused or kissed inappropriately by her Dad there are other channels open to her to get her justice so IMO it's all about her wanting to have the benefits of her folks money without the rules.
In one photo posted by someone there is alcohol on the table behind her while some guy has his arm around her waist, what a traumatic life she must lead.
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If she was ditching school excessively she wouldn't still be on the honor roll. She was breaking her parents' imposed curfew, and refusing to break up with a boyfriend they didn't like. There's a huge difference. Slackers who ditch school don't care if they can pay for their school. This is a girl that wants to succeed in life, and be out from under the thumb of her parents.
 
thecannacove

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Ace Yonder said:
I agree. I think this is just the cows coming home to roost. They raised a daughter who watched their tactics and now is ready and willing to use them against them. I just fight for the underdog. And without getting too specific, I know two people who's fathers are serving jail time for sexually abusing their children and their children's friends, and at a local school a teacher was just arrested last year for sexually abusing four students over the course of five years. In both of the cases of people I know personally, there was over a year in between the initial accusation and the arrest because in each case no one believed them until both guys, as well as a couple other people, were caught in a big child pornography sting, and photos of the girls being abused over the course of several years were found in the sting. A full year of no one believing them, and them being forced to live with their molesters/rapists. That is a fucking nightmare I wouldn't wish on anyone. So I have seen these patterns before and I know the little things to look for where things just don't click, and even if the girl in this case hasn't been sexually abused, she CERTAINLY has been emotionally abused bast the point anyone could be reasonably expected to take.
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Child molesters are the lowest of the low. There isn't a punishment that would serve proper justice on those fucks.
 
Ace Yonder

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fr3d12 said:
Most victims of abuse don't sue their parents for $650 a week and a college education.
If she has been traumatised by Daddy why hasn't she reported him to the police and be screaming for justice?
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If you really have to ask that question then you have no idea of what emotional/sexual abuse by an authority figure does to your ability to make informed decisions. Have you never taken a single psychology class? There is a reason that the vast majority of rapes are never reported, and your attitude in exactly the reason people get away with it.
 
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Ace Yonder said:
If she was ditching school excessively she wouldn't still be on the honor roll. She was breaking her parents' imposed curfew, and refusing to break up with a boyfriend they didn't like. There's a huge difference. Slackers who ditch school don't care if they can pay for their school. This is a girl that wants to succeed in life, and be out from under the thumb of her parents.
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I see what your saying but she still ditched school at least twice from what I've read, I never said she ditched excessively.
If she is so independent why does she want her folks to cover her ass financially while she goes to school and eventually college, that is not independence in fact it's quite the opposite.
If she wants out from under the thumb of her parents then she should have moved out as soon as she was legally old enough, is it not a reasonable expectation that while living under her parents roof that she sticks to the curfew and her parents aren't the first to ask that a child end a relationship until they have their schooling done.
I still think she was over indulged by her parents and is used to a certain lifestyle but she can't have it every way, at home and financially looked after an independent young woman making her own way in the world without their full assistance, if she was 16 it would be different but she's 18!
There's so many students out there working crap jobs for a few dollars an hour just so they can have noodles for dinner while they bust their ass in college that's probably hundreds of miles from home so they can eventually repay their parents for taking care of them throughout their lives.

If she spent a week here in the back of beyond with me collecting firewood in the rain, cleaning out the chicken and Duck coops and cleaning out the after the horses etc she would appreciate what she has a lot more:)
 
thecannacove

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Ace Yonder said:
If she was ditching school excessively she wouldn't still be on the honor roll. She was breaking her parents' imposed curfew, and refusing to break up with a boyfriend they didn't like. There's a huge difference. Slackers who ditch school don't care if they can pay for their school. This is a girl that wants to succeed in life, and be out from under the thumb of her parents.
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Devils advocate: she could just want to go to college to get some D... :D lol. Playin'! Just playin' don't throw a rock at me ace!
 
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Ace Yonder said:
If you really have to ask that question then you have no idea of what emotional/sexual abuse by an authority figure does to your ability to make informed decisions. Have you never taken a single psychology class? There is a reason that the vast majority of rapes are never reported, and your attitude in exactly the reason people get away with it.
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I abhor sexual violence of any kind and I take offense to your asinine post.
She made an informed decision to get a lawyer, why hasn't her counsel led her down a different path then?
I read about victims of abuse on a daily basis and none of them sue their abuser BEFORE they get justice for the horrible crimes committed against them,why do you think that is?, perhaps because money is not the issue, if it's justice she's a fter she has afunny way of going about it, that was my point.
 
Ace Yonder

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fr3d12 said:
I see what your saying but she still ditched school at least twice from what I've read, I never said she ditched excessively.
If she is so independent why does she want her folks to cover her ass financially while she goes to school and eventually college, that is not independence in fact it's quite the opposite.
If she wants out from under the thumb of her parents then she should have moved out as soon as she was legally old enough, is it not a reasonable expectation that while living under her parents roof that she sticks to the curfew and her parents aren't the first to ask that a child end a relationship until they have their schooling done.
I still think she was over indulged by her parents and is used to a certain lifestyle but she can't have it every way, at home and financially looked after an independent young woman making her own way in the world without their full assistance, if she was 16 it would be different but she's 18!
There's so many students out there working crap jobs for a few dollars an hour just so they can have noodles for dinner while they bust their ass in college that's probably hundreds of miles from home so they can eventually repay their parents for taking care of them throughout their lives.

If she spent a week here in the back of beyond with me collecting firewood in the rain, cleaning out the chicken and Duck coops and cleaning out the after the horses etc she would appreciate what she has a lot more:)
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You can't gain your independence overnight. If you spend your whole life with your parents providing for you, making you do extracurricular activities like running marathons (as seen in pictures) instead of getting a job, and you send her to an expensive highschool, and then overnight, because of her disobeying your ridiculous rules, you suddenly withdraw all financial support, stop payment for her highschool and remover access to the college fund you had set aside for her, there is no way she could do any of the things you expect her to do overnight. This is how power dynamics work. You make someone dependent on you, and then when they try to pull away you take away everything so that they quickly are swamped by more than they can handle, and they come back under your control in return for you reinstating your support. This is the way sociopaths maintain control over the people in their lives. Think about what kind of people her parents have to be to be willing to ruin her life to win an argument. These are people who only care about her as much as they can use her for what they want. The fact that she was spoiled is her parents fault, and it is a tactic that they employ to ensure she doesn't have the skills necessary to escape them, and you are letting the fact that you resent her for growing up wealthy to cloud your ability to see the situation for what it is. No one here has thought past "She grew up rich, so fuck her". It is so abundantly clear in the way that everyone has phrased their arguments. These are the same people who defend the practice of hitting children even though studies have shown over and over all it does is teach kids that violence is an acceptable way to show someone you don't like what they are doing. It all goes back to this stupid, archaic "The man is the head of the household, and under his roof you should obey him as a slave should obey a master or a man should obey a god". No one ever wants parents to have to take responsibility for the way they raise their children, or hold them accountable for the consequences when they don't treat their children with basic human respect.
 
Ace Yonder

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fr3d12 said:
I abhor sexual violence of any kind and I take offense to your asinine post.
She made an informed decision to get a lawyer, why hasn't her counsel led her down a different path then?
I read about victims of abuse on a daily basis and none of them sue their abuser BEFORE they get justice for the horrible crimes committed against them,why do you think that is?, perhaps because money is not the issue, if it's justice she's a fter she has afunny way of going about it, that was my point.
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When you are dealing with victims of abuse it is unbelievably uninformed to assume that there is any "normal" way to handle things. I already said perhaps the abuse was not sexual, but i find it to be incredibly mature that the thing she is fighting for is her continued ability to attend school. She isn't trying to get him kicked out of his house and it turned over to her, she isn't asking for a million dollar settlement, or even criminal charges. She just wants to be able to keep going to school, an expectation that any child should reasonably have.
 
thecannacove

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The last comment I'll make about this story is that if it is true that her father was overly affectionate ie: sexually abused her, this would be a tragic case. Brought to not just national but international news front, and a lot of people who are skeptical of her claims.. That would be very difficult to take. I hope the claims are false.
 
Ace Yonder

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thecannacove said:
The last comment I'll make about this story is that if it is true that her father was overly affectionate ie: sexually abused her, this would be a tragic case. Brought to not just national but international news front, and a lot of people who are skeptical of her claims.. That would be very difficult to take. I hope the claims are false.
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For sure for sure. Something about people's reactions to this story just really got my goat, I think because it reminded me of when the Steubenville rape case hit the news and everyone was going after that girl with the same kinda rhetoric.
 
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Ace Yonder said:
You can't gain your independence overnight. If you spend your whole life with your parents providing for you, making you do extracurricular activities like running marathons (as seen in pictures) instead of getting a job, and you send her to an expensive highschool, and then overnight, because of her disobeying your ridiculous rules, you suddenly withdraw all financial support, stop payment for her highschool and remover access to the college fund you had set aside for her, there is no way she could do any of the things you expect her to do overnight. This is how power dynamics work. You make someone dependent on you, and then when they try to pull away you take away everything so that they quickly are swamped by more than they can handle, and they come back under your control in return for you reinstating your support. This is the way sociopaths maintain control over the people in their lives. Think about what kind of people her parents have to be to be willing to ruin her life to win an argument. These are people who only care about her as much as they can use her for what they want. The fact that she was spoiled is her parents fault, and it is a tactic that they employ to ensure she doesn't have the skills necessary to escape them, and you are letting the fact that you resent her for growing up wealthy to cloud your ability to see the situation for what it is. No one here has thought past "She grew up rich, so fuck her". It is so abundantly clear in the way that everyone has phrased their arguments. These are the same people who defend the practice of hitting children even though studies have shown over and over all it does is teach kids that violence is an acceptable way to show someone you don't like what they are doing. It all goes back to this stupid, archaic "The man is the head of the household, and under his roof you should obey him as a slave should obey a master or a man should obey a god". No one ever wants parents to have to take responsibility for the way they raise their children, or hold them accountable for the consequences when they don't treat their children with basic human respect.
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Have you read the transcript of the message she left for her Mother?
It doesn't read well and she doesn't seem frightened at all, in fact she proves what the majority think that she is a spoiled disrespectful brat, there's no way I would say to my Mother ever that I would shit on her face and if I was afraid of a sociopathic father the chances of it being said would be less, that is abusing her Mother plain and simple.
She is 18 years of age and apparently has a part time job already so working should not be so alien to her, if she is used to wearing expensive clothes and driving a fancy car then they are luxuries and not necessities and should be her own responsibility at the age of 18, I don't think that if she was given a car for her birthday or whatever that it should be taken back though.
Being strict parents doesn't automatically mean they are bad parents, again I refer to a photo posted of her looking happy with alcohol on a table behind her, I don't know the source of the photo but if it's on facebook or whatever that is not something a terrorised kid would do.
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When you are dealing with victims of abuse it is unbelievably uninformed to assume that there is any "normal" way to handle things. I already said perhaps the abuse was not sexual, but i find it to be incredibly mature that the thing she is fighting for is her continued ability to attend school. She isn't trying to get him kicked out of his house and it turned over to her, she isn't asking for a million dollar settlement, or even criminal charges. She just wants to be able to keep going to school, an expectation that any child should reasonably have.
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The article I read referred to alleged inappropriate kissing by her father so maybe she has referred to it, that is if the media is not printing everything they are told, I honestly don't know but if it turns out to be true then I hope she gets everything she deserves both financially and in terms of justice but if it isn't it is people like her that make it so so difficult for genuine victims to come forward and be believed in cases that aren't slam dunks.

On the subject of abuse in general I agree that there is no "normal" way to TREAT the victims of abuse but as far as I'm concerned there's only one way to get justice legally and that's through law enforcement and subsequent punishment as dictated by law regardless of the persons circumstances.

If this turns out to be true then she should be ashamed of what she is putting he parents through but again it's coming from the newspapers so who knows.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2574966/Spoiled-cheerleader-suing-parents-got-drunk-vodka-home-millionaire-attorney-paying-fees-threw-garbage-claim-mom-dad.html
 
mr sunshine

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When you turn 18 your an adult and your parents dont have to support you if they dont want to no judge will let the opposite happen its unamerican...
 
Ace Yonder

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fr3d12 said:
Have you read the transcript of the message she left for her Mother?
It doesn't read well and she doesn't seem frightened at all, in fact she proves what the majority think that she is a spoiled disrespectful brat, there's no way I would say to my Mother ever that I would shit on her face and if I was afraid of a sociopathic father the chances of it being said would be less, that is abusing her Mother plain and simple.
She is 18 years of age and apparently has a part time job already so working should not be so alien to her, if she is used to wearing expensive clothes and driving a fancy car then they are luxuries and not necessities and should be her own responsibility at the age of 18, I don't think that if she was given a car for her birthday or whatever that it should be taken back though.
Being strict parents doesn't automatically mean they are bad parents, again I refer to a photo posted of her looking happy with alcohol on a table behind her, I don't know the source of the photo but if it's on facebook or whatever that is not something a terrorised kid would do.


The article I read referred to alleged inappropriate kissing by her father so maybe she has referred to it, that is if the media is not printing everything they are told, I honestly don't know but if it turns out to be true then I hope she gets everything she deserves both financially and in terms of justice but if it isn't it is people like her that make it so so difficult for genuine victims to come forward and be believed in cases that aren't slam dunks.

On the subject of abuse in general I agree that there is no "normal" way to TREAT the victims of abuse but as far as I'm concerned there's only one way to get justice legally and that's through law enforcement and subsequent punishment as dictated by law regardless of the persons circumstances.

If this turns out to be true then she should be ashamed of what she is putting he parents through but again it's coming from the newspapers so who knows.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2574966/Spoiled-cheerleader-suing-parents-got-drunk-vodka-home-millionaire-attorney-paying-fees-threw-garbage-claim-mom-dad.html
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The transcript of the phone call means nothing to me, it is pretty standard affair for someone brought to the breaking point by an aggressive, demeaning, and insulting mother. Unless you can show me transcripts of the mother treating her like a decent human being during every interaction they have, I really don't see how it changes anything. People are so quick to assume that parents deserve this unbelievable amount of respect and reverence from their children, no matter if they give that same respect to their children or not. From everything I have read, the girl has done nothing out of the ordinary for a teenager, and is handling her business and doing well in school during all of it. The parents however, have NOT acted in ways I would consider normal or appropriate. There is much more to this story than any of us will ever know, but the fact that everyone's response to this was immediately to dismiss everything she says, accept without question everything her parents say, and call her a "Spoiled Slut" at every turn they can, is very telling of the bias with which they approached this news story and their general acceptance of the oppressive power dynamics that are present in this country and most of the world.
 
Ace Yonder

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mr sunshine said:
When you turn 18 your an adult and your parents dont have to support you if they dont want to no judge will let the opposite happen its unamerican...
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Just because you aren't legally required to do something doesn't mean it isn't the morally correct thing to do. Your responsibility to your children doesn't end at some arbitrary age set by a government, you created a life and you have the moral responsibility to care for it to the best of your ability for the entire duration of that life. Your children owe you nothing because they didn't ask to be born, you forced them into this world and it is your responsibility to see that they succeed, thrive, and find happiness while doing that. Anything less and you will have to answer for your moral reprehensibility in this world or the next. You treat your kids like shit, and you get what's coming to you when they sue your ass for abandonment.
 
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http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Rachel-Canning-Parent-Lawsuit-Financial-Support-New-Jersey-Eating-Disorder-Abuse-Sue-248407851.html

According to court documents filed by the defense, children's services authorities investigated Rachel Canning's claims of abuse after she complained to her high school and found no evidence of abuse.

It outright dismisses allegations of inappropriate sexual interactions between her and her father, and says that while their daughter's eating disorders were extremely difficult and sad to cope with, both parents tried to help her as best they could -- through therapy, medical treatment and emotional support.
 
thecannacove

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Ace Yonder said:
Just because you aren't legally required to do something doesn't mean it isn't the morally correct thing to do. Your responsibility to your children doesn't end at some arbitrary age set by a government, you created a life and you have the moral responsibility to care for it to the best of your ability for the entire duration of that life. Your children owe you nothing because they didn't ask to be born, you forced them into this world and it is your responsibility to see that they succeed, thrive, and find happiness while doing that. Anything less and you will have to answer for your moral reprehensibility in this world or the next. You treat your kids like shit, and you get what's coming to you when they sue your ass for abandonment.
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Ace if you're not already, you'll make one hell of a father.
 
mr sunshine

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I do not believe she will win her case but I agree with you ace.. thats the way it should work but sadly it doesn't.. I dont have any kids but when I do I will definitely take a couple pages out of your book..just for the record tho even if my parents beat me and disowned me I would never be able to sue them I feel like she lacks loyalty. ..
 
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