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Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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Muskegman said:
Has anyone ever tried adding anything like voodoo , piranha or bud candy using super soil? I know it's a sensitive issue , mixing all the organic micros with synthetic stuff, and people say it kills stuff , but would it actually kill them all off by adding these types of stuff. Does anyone really know for sure and has anyone ever tried adding these type of supplements?
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Yeah man it definitely kills them off and is a bit of a redundant waste of money. Most "organic" boosters are just potassium or carbohydrates and kelp, some have alfalfa or humic acid. Some are mineral or chemical base. Most of them are just watered down bottled versions of what we already have fresh and more biologically active in our soil or applied in freshly made teas.

If you want to boost plant growth spend money on a quality air conditioner, co2 supplementation (a tank and a ppm reader), lots of room fans, and a good exhaust fan. Also whatever you need to create a properly sealed room. That investment in your setup will do more for you to get quality plants and a better yield than buying some watered down potash and molasses with a preservative to dump on your plant and kill your microbe population.
 
Muskegman

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Dang you said what I was thinking I should do. My setup isn't the best but it's decent. It's a 8x12 veg room with a 6 in intake and outtake and 12x12x8 flower room that is completely lined with white , a 8 inch outtake and 6 inch outtake. With a 8 in. I take fan. I have three oscillating fans going and a dehumidifier if need be. The room is t attached to my house though and doesn't have siding on it. Just Tyvec for now until next pay day. I'm running three 600 watts HPS in my flower room and a G8 LED 600 watt in veg room with another 600 watt MH. The most I've gotten off a plant is 3.59 OZ. followed subs super soil exactly , waited two months before using it. Growing blue dream, blueberry, cheese, purple kush. Wanting bigger yields though like everyone else lol I'm runnin 60 days veg and around 60 flower. CO2 is out of the question though. Nowhere to get it here where I live in Alaska .
 
Rasta Roy

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Muskegman said:
Dang you said what I was thinking I should do. My setup isn't the best but it's decent. It's a 8x12 veg room with a 6 in intake and outtake and 12x12x8 flower room that is completely lined with white , a 8 inch outtake and 6 inch outtake. With a 8 in. I take fan. I have three oscillating fans going and a dehumidifier if need be. The room is t attached to my house though and doesn't have siding on it. Just Tyvec for now until next pay day. I'm running three 600 watts HPS in my flower room and a G8 LED 600 watt in veg room with another 600 watt MH. The most I've gotten off a plant is 3.59 OZ. followed subs super soil exactly , waited two months before using it. Growing blue dream, blueberry, cheese, purple kush. Wanting bigger yields though like everyone else lol I'm runnin 60 days veg and around 60 flower. CO2 is out of the question though. Nowhere to get it here where I live in Alaska .
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They say with proper intake and outtake you shouldn't need co2 (I haven't found this true), that fresh Alaskan air might be enough for you though!

How many plants do you do per light?

But yeah man...subs super soil isn't that super haha. I made a video about it sort of...I was pretty medicated haha.


I would just recommend when you recycle your soil just reamend with worm castings (your own is best but if you don't want a bin I get it), and compost.

Like for every 7 gallons of recycled soil I would do a gallon and a half of castings and compost each. Then mix into that fish meal, and oyster shell flour or gypsum. Crab shell meal if you can get it. Mix in 1/2 cup of each per ten gallons.

If you can get neem meal then I would top dress with a 1/2 cup per plant. Anytime I see anything wrong with my plants I top dress with neem meal and worm castings and apply a freshly steeped kelp tea. Clears it all up.

Get alfalfa meal and kelp meal. 1 tbsp per gallon of water, let it sit for twenty four hours before you apply. Use a cheese cloth or paint strainer to filter out the gunk and you can apply as a foliar spray.

Using the kelp and alfalfa together is great for after you transplant.

Just alfalfa is great for in veg.

Kelp tea is great anytime. Especially in early bloom, if you want the best boost.

If you got the air stone going worm teas are good to throw in there.

Increasing your pot size and upping to 1000 watt lights would be your next move. Depending on how many plants per light you do it sounds like you do pretty good with 600s though!
 
Muskegman

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Thank you. I'm running three plants under each 600 at the moment. I do have some organic kelp tea but haven't wanted to throw anything in the super soil afraid of ruining it ya know. The stuff is called kelp man. It was expensive shit . It's extracted from the fastest growing kelp in the world , which grows here where I live , and also in BC Canada where they extract it . It grows like a foot a day so I would think is good stuff with tons of macros in it . As far as my soil goes, i have all that stuff in the soil as that is what it calls for , but I've never top dressed or anything . I did go collect some of the Kelp here and out it in a 55 gal drum and it's been sitting there for months now . It smells ripe to say the least. Should I filter it and use this ? Thanks for all the good info. I'm gonna try some of this and see what happens. One question though, you mention air stone but I'm using soil so what exactly are you referring too?
 
Grenier5413

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Put it in a bucket with water and a sock or cheese cloth full of compost or whatever your cooking and let it bubble and oxygenate the micro life. Helps it grow and take off.
 
subcoolgrower

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Rasta Roy said:
They say with proper intake and outtake you shouldn't need co2 (I haven't found this true), that fresh Alaskan air might be enough for you though!

How many plants do you do per light?

But yeah man...subs super soil isn't that super haha. I made a video about it sort of...I was pretty medicated haha.


I would just recommend when you recycle your soil just reamend with worm castings (your own is best but if you don't want a bin I get it), and compost.

Like for every 7 gallons of recycled soil I would do a gallon and a half of castings and compost each. Then mix into that fish meal, and oyster shell flour or gypsum. Crab shell meal if you can get it. Mix in 1/2 cup of each per ten gallons.

If you can get neem meal then I would top dress with a 1/2 cup per plant. Anytime I see anything wrong with my plants I top dress with neem meal and worm castings and apply a freshly steeped kelp tea. Clears it all up.

Get alfalfa meal and kelp meal. 1 tbsp per gallon of water, let it sit for twenty four hours before you apply. Use a cheese cloth or paint strainer to filter out the gunk and you can apply as a foliar spray.

Using the kelp and alfalfa together is great for after you transplant.

Just alfalfa is great for in veg.

Kelp tea is great anytime. Especially in early bloom, if you want the best boost.

If you got the air stone going worm teas are good to throw in there.

Increasing your pot size and upping to 1000 watt lights would be your next move. Depending on how many plants per light you do it sounds like you do pretty good with 600s though!
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I'm glad you found a method you like I'd never use cow shit but rock on. Were pulling 2 pounds per light now with supersoil that cost 120$ every 3 crops we all have our methods and I salute you but please don't trash my recipe many multi million dollar companies use my recipe as there base.

Nothing but love your garden looks amazing

Sub
 
subcoolgrower

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subcoolgrower said:
I'm glad you found a method you like I'd never use cow shit but rock on. Were pulling 2 pounds per light now with supersoil that cost 120$ every 3 crops we all have our methods and I salute you but please don't trash my recipe many multi million dollar companies use my recipe as there base.

Nothing but love your garden looks amazing

Sub
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I dont have rabbits :)

Sub
 
Rasta Roy

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subcoolgrower said:
I'm glad you found a method you like I'd never use cow shit but rock on. Were pulling 2 pounds per light now with supersoil that cost 120$ every 3 crops we all have our methods and I salute you but please don't trash my recipe many multi million dollar companies use my recipe as there base.

Nothing but love your garden looks amazing

Sub
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I had my reservations but am able to source locally from a trusted organic dairy farm so I'm giving it a shot for experience sake.

And I got nothing but love...but my love is tough and competitive friend! I'm developing fertilizer formulas and potting soils, I'm coming for those multimillionaire companies! Hope you keep your skills sharp fam, I learn new stuff everyday. Our competition is what will drive innovation in the industry.
 
smink13

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@subcoolgrower Hey Sub, curious to think what response you would have to this post about Supersoil. I've been trying to understand your method for years as to why this and not that. Jeremy at buildasoil breaks down each ingredient you add and explains why it may or may not work.

Curious if you had any reputable to his comments.
 
subcoolgrower

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smink13 said:
@subcoolgrower Hey Sub, curious to think what response you would have to this post about Supersoil. I've been trying to understand your method for years as to why this and not that. Jeremy at buildasoil breaks down each ingredient you add and explains why it may or may not work.

Curious if you had any reputable to his comments.
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It's simple. Thousands of Growers use this recipe, I developed it from Vic Highs Simple recipe. I do not charge for soil and I've never made a dime. Many soil companies use this recipe as there base.

Its simple its a concentrated soil we use to pull 2 units a light is with very little additional food.

The pics are of cultivars grown in super soil water only

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Rasta Roy

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subcoolgrower said:
It's simple. Thousands of Growers use this recipe, I developed it from Vic Highs Simple recipe. I do not charge for soil and I've never made a dime. Many soil companies use this recipe as there base.

Its simple its a concentrated soil we use to pull 2 units a light is with very little additional food.

The pics are of cultivars grown in super soil water only

Sub
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You didn't answer his question fam! He was talking about this blog...

https://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/12533881-whats-so-cool-about-super-soil-the-super-soil-recipe-breakdown

And wondering why you layer your soil even though it goes against science.

And wondering why you have people buying prebagged amended soil when they're already adding amendments. Having them buy peat moss and aeration would be cheaper and provide more consistent results as bagged soils even of the same brand,can vary batch to batch.
 
Rasta Roy

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Sir Stickybuds said:
He's answered these questions many time, he does it "cause it works" period
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Lots of things work lol. The idea behind knowing why something works, or why something is being done. Is so we can examine and know, is this the most efficient way to do things? Is it the most effective? It's science fam! Science that can't be questioned or answered questions isn't science it's a cult. Cults foster ignorance and ignorance leads to injustice. And an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

That's why we need a better answer than "cause it works."
 
Rasta Roy

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its like a scam without a monetary profit.


It also should be noted he has kickass products for the researcher. I dont see the cement mixer to mix things properly but its ok
 
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Rasta Roy

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platt said:
its like a scam without a monetary profit.


It also should be noted he has kickass products
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Okay you're referring to the super soil recipe lol. That's what I thought. Yeah I don't know why @subcool encourages people to buy ingredients they don't need if he's not profiting off it lol. Doesn't make much sense.

My introduction to organic growing thread gives a method that makes you learn about what your plants needs and gives a recipe suggestion that doesn't involve expensive and inconsistent quality prebagged soils. But with the knowledge of what you're doing and why you're doing it you can tweak it to meet your needs.
 
Grenier5413

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I've never seen the recipe in full however I've used a lot of the ingredients in my own soil mix for the last fifteen years. I don't believe in layering but that's besides the point. I try to put in things that happen in nature and things I know plants like. You don't build a soil and use it right away. It needs to compost just like nature. Most nutrients are held in the top few inches of nature's floor. and they didn't get there immediately. Not sure what the fuss is about. If you don't like the recipe don't use it or change it to your needs. If you all are such experts on soil why did you use his recipe instead of building your own. And if you know so much you shouldn't need to ask questions in the first place.
 
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