Daggy
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Alright bro keep smoking that black ash
Super Lemon Haze 14 wks of flowering wont finish
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ttystikk
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MrClone
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I use 2 nutes to harvest and a silica to adjust ph a little..Dyna- Gro protekt that is to adjust PH last week Not a nute in my opinion.. Because most will use a PH down phosphoric acid etc.. 25-50ppm max and G10 or gravity and Snowstorm ultra
Daggy
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Ha! You know whats funny? Every run I have had says the complete opposite.
growing in coco and using synthetic nutes such as GH or something I have ran rooms with no flush and rooms with 2 weeks flush. There is a big difference. In the way the product burns and the way the product taste. I am not the only one who thinks so. Many growers even ones that have won awards flush.
Can you provide and proof or knowledge on what happens during flush and why you dont need to do it?
SPLFreak808
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Lol @ black ash.... Only a few ways thats gonna happen and it doesn't start with skipping a flush.
MrClone
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I-agree-there-is-a-difference-but-was-just-saying-u-can-do-without-a-flush-taste-is-definitely-inproed
koda7225
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I never flush and people tell me i have some of the best tasting stuff around....
I do run a minimal amout of nutes for my plants though, i simply aim to run as little nutrients as i can to maintain a healthy plant with no signs of any deficiency.........
i will admit im still working on my trimming for max yeild and bud size, but i think that i have the quality without having to flush.....
koda7225
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Actually the ones that think they need to run a super high ec/ppm should flush as there will be excess nutes built up....
But if you feed them proper amount of nutes they can use without showing signs of defenciency (i know i just murdered the spelling of that and i dont care lol) there should be no need to flush at all.
Chizzarules
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I ran organic live soil grow, beautiful stuff, no flush!
Daggy
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Enlighten me.
Daggy
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No need to flush if your not using salts.
Daggy
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If you flush homie it will burn and taste better. IM not just a shit grower from a non legal state. I have been making drops at dispensaries for several years now and my product is always tested and reviewed. There is a difference in the flush. If you dont care than ignore my post, but if you do care about improving the quality of your product just flush 1 of your plants for 10 days before harvest. You wont notice much in the appearance or smell, but roll a joint of the flushed plant and one of the other plants and I PROMISE you will notice a diff.
Sdsteve
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When you say flush for those amount of days are you talking about for soil base medium or Hydro and if the two are different what do you recommend for the other that isn't 10-14 days an your talking about flushing with just RO ph'ed water correct? Thanks in advance for your insight..
MrClone
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Very well put and explained.. Also one thing I have noticed if you use soil with additives.. it is much harder to get the adds out of the soil.. Is why I use Sunshine Mix #4 black bag.. very easy to go all the way if at the end you do a feed flush feed flush feed flush and then cut nutes down to 1/4 strength at end cutting out all nitrogen. Mostly to prevent over burning them and flushing out the nitrogen towards end when I am pushing them hard as I do want burn throughout flowering to push/stress the plant for better quality... Not for flushing your plants sake which I never do
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Dr. Who
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SURE! read this then.....
I got asked about this in a PM by a member after seeing the disaster another thread became. He asked where to find books and papers on "flushing" and said he might try the "fade".
Here's my answer to him......I felt it needs to be seen,,,,,,again!
Your looking for post grad work. You would do better to search papers......The thing is, NOTHING in agriculture gets 'flushed" and that leads to little to no research in the area. You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)
Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the nutrients around the plant)......
Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)
With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds, but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...
Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!
I and many others that have tried to convey this actual plant science, are called everything you can think of and those 'impossible of understanding these facts", fight so hard against us that many of us have simply chosen to avoid the issue or don't fight to hard.
Anyway, there you are in as short and sweet and as simple/understandable as I can...
The thing is you have to understand Botany and Horticulture (and there are LOTS of subsections to those that are involved here) to truly put together the pieces of the puzzle to get your head wrapped around the idea that flushing and the "fade" don't work for what they are intended or alleged to actually do!
This is real good too.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/
Flushing improves nothing.....How do you cure?
irish grower
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MrClone
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Now this guy knows what he is talking about.. I would take his advice to the T.. Trust me. I have done enough research to know. Specially that the plant stores sugars in the roots. As I use this tactic to get my plants ready for flower so they have more stored energy to use in flowering stage.. Take his advice .. He knows his stuff on this subject for sure!
Overmonitor
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Just... wow.
Your plant uptakes pure nutrients and uses them as the building blocks for its cells. Those cells are not made of simply "nitrogen" or "potassium" or "phosphorous". They are complex molecules built of many different base elements. Acting like flushing will somehow pull nutrients out of a plant's cells is asinine. All you are doing is depriving it of the nutrients it needs to build new growth. If anything you could be causing it to break down old growth for nutrients, but obviously the process is not lossless, so you would be better off feeding your plants those nutrients externally for a higher conversion rate as far as I can tell. I don't understand the "goal" of flushing.
Not that I am some expert but come on now. Common sense prevails.
Your plant uptakes pure nutrients and uses them as the building blocks for its cells. Those cells are not made of simply "nitrogen" or "potassium" or "phosphorous". They are complex molecules built of many different base elements. Acting like flushing will somehow pull nutrients out of a plant's cells is asinine. All you are doing is depriving it of the nutrients it needs to build new growth. If anything you could be causing it to break down old growth for nutrients, but obviously the process is not lossless, so you would be better off feeding your plants those nutrients externally for a higher conversion rate as far as I can tell. I don't understand the "goal" of flushing.
Not that I am some expert but come on now. Common sense prevails.