Super soil with Promix, Ocean Forest? Need some advice!

treesforme

Member
Hi everyone, I just recently made up my mind to go all organic, water only style. I made a mixture for a base, but I just need some advice.

just made this mix:
1 bale Pro Mix HP w/ mycorrhizae (3.8 Cubic feet)
1 bag Fox Farm ocean forest (1.5 Cubic feet)
3.5 cups dolomite lime
1 25lb bag Earthworm castings
3qts perlite (it was the bottom end of my bag, I know I will probably need more)

is this a workable mixture? Can I add some additional amendments to make a water only super soil and if so what kind?
I also have 2 bags of Roots organics on the way (3 cubic ft total)

Im really confused at how many additional amendments there are.. can someone tell me what I should do in this situation?

THANK YOU!
 

treesforme

Member
Would this mix be ok for an add water only grow using RO for the whole plants life? help is appreciated!

1 bale Pro Mix HP w/ mycorrhizae (3.8 Cubic feet)
1 bag Fox Farm ocean forest (1.5 Cubic feet)
3.5 cups dolomite lime
1 25lb bag Earthworm castings
3 quarts perlite (it was the bottom end of my bag, I know I will probably need more)
Botnicare Organicare dry fertilizer 1-5-4 (how much should I add?)


 

Mr.Head

Well-Known Member
Add some bone and blood meal. Kelp. Alfalfa. Maybe some Guano's if that's your thing either seabird or bat. You need diversity in there. You can get azomite off amazon for pretty cheap has lots of trace minerals. I heard neem cake/meal is pretty good I can't find it anywhere.

You will need to find out how much to add per how much soil you are making. Somewhere when I was googling around looking at soil recipes had a good rule of thumb for how many cups of fertz. to add to how many cubic feet. I forget the number now though :)
 

Grandmah

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't add the foxfarm soil if you're making your own mix. Pro mix, the worm castings, and perlite are good. Then add your amendments. For base soil I'd add something more all around based. Dr earth all around mix is 4-4-4. Foxfarm has a starter mix that's 3-4-4 I think.
 

Dr.J20

Well-Known Member
before you start getting a ton of responses telling you to go out and grab a thousand other amendments you could add, perhaps now would be a good time to take a step back and think about what you need to add. Then on to how much of that to add. I'd say grandmah has it right on with the base mix; a popular one is 1/3 sphagnum peat, 1/3 EWC, 1/3 pumice/rice hulls--aeration; you'll probably use your perlite, i do too, but switching over to rice hulls is apparently the thing to do--perlite floats to the top eventually.

Only other advice i'd have for you is to convert your recipe to percentage then use percentage to build the soil in whatever volume you want. If you're going to garden with a water-only plan, make sure your containers are big enough to provide nutrition throughout the life cycle--i belive the recommendation is 7.5gal containers. If you can't muster that, be ready for making aact's to supplement when you start to notice deficiencies.
Dont forget to cook your soil--add a little water, moisten and mix your soil until you can form a clump that will retain its shape, but that you can also very easily break up, i think sub recommends 3 gals dechlorinated water to 32 gal soil mix--for 30 days.

Final tip, mix up enough base such that you have enough to fill half your pots. layer your pots with supersoil at the bottom and base on top (usually 1/2 and 1/2, but depending on the soil this can change to 1/3:2/3 etc.). This way younger roots aren't burned by going directly into nutrient rich SS.

Here's my recipe for an idea:

base mix
20% EWC = 6gal
13% Compost = 3.6gal
40% sphagnum peat = 12gal
12% coco coir = 3.6gal
15% perlite = 4.5gal


————————————
22Gal base mix
10lbs EWC
1.25lbs Blood meal
1.25lbs Bat guano

  • 1.25lbs crabshell meal
  • 1lb bone meal
  • 1/2C Epsom Salt
  • 2C Liming agent: gypsum, dolomite, crabshell meal in 1:1:2 ratio
  • 1C Azomite
  • 1/4C greensand
  • 2C Kelp meal
  • 2C alfalfa meal
  • ——————————————————
  • Bubble 3 gal of h20 with 3tbsp liquid humic acid
  • First, mix liming agent.
  • then, mix base soil
  • add 10 gal base to 45 gal can. add amend’ts up to epsom salt, top with 12 gal of base, add liming agent, azomite greensand, kelp and alfalfa, mix thoroughly.
  • Add 3 gal dechlorinated, humic infused water.
  • dump and mix entire batch, back and forth, between two 32 gal cans. Once thoroughly mixed, cover and leave alone in <50*F to 'cook'
  • once a week dump and mix the soil, adding water if necessary to maintain moisture at original level.
Be easy!
Dr.J
:leaf:
 

KelliKat

Member
If you make Supersoil just how it's laid out in the recipe, it's fool proof. Most of the amendments called for in Subs SuperSoil are available on Amazon.

No need to reinvent the wheel, ya know?
 

LemonDropette

New Member
before you start getting a ton of responses telling you to go out and grab a thousand other amendments you could add, perhaps now would be a good time to take a step back and think about what you need to add. Then on to how much of that to add. I'd say grandmah has it right on with the base mix; a popular one is 1/3 sphagnum peat, 1/3 EWC, 1/3 pumice/rice hulls--aeration; you'll probably use your perlite, i do too, but switching over to rice hulls is apparently the thing to do--perlite floats to the top eventually.

Only other advice i'd have for you is to convert your recipe to percentage then use percentage to build the soil in whatever volume you want. If you're going to garden with a water-only plan, make sure your containers are big enough to provide nutrition throughout the life cycle--i belive the recommendation is 7.5gal containers. If you can't muster that, be ready for making aact's to supplement when you start to notice deficiencies.
Dont forget to cook your soil--add a little water, moisten and mix your soil until you can form a clump that will retain its shape, but that you can also very easily break up, i think sub recommends 3 gals dechlorinated water to 32 gal soil mix--for 30 days.

Final tip, mix up enough base such that you have enough to fill half your pots. layer your pots with supersoil at the bottom and base on top (usually 1/2 and 1/2, but depending on the soil this can change to 1/3:2/3 etc.). This way younger roots aren't burned by going directly into nutrient rich SS.

Here's my recipe for an idea:

base mix
20% EWC = 6gal
13% Compost = 3.6gal
40% sphagnum peat = 12gal
12% coco coir = 3.6gal
15% perlite = 4.5gal


&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;
22Gal base mix
10lbs EWC
1.25lbs Blood meal
1.25lbs Bat guano

  • 1.25lbs crabshell meal
  • 1lb bone meal
  • 1/2C Epsom Salt
  • 2C Liming agent: gypsum, dolomite, crabshell meal in 1:1:2 ratio
  • 1C Azomite
  • 1/4C greensand
  • 2C Kelp meal
  • 2C alfalfa meal

  • &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;
  • Bubble 3 gal of h20 with 3tbsp liquid humic acid
  • First, mix liming agent.
  • then, mix base soil
  • add 10 gal base to 45 gal can. add amend&#8217;ts up to epsom salt, top with 12 gal of base, add liming agent, azomite greensand, kelp and alfalfa, mix thoroughly.
  • Add 3 gal dechlorinated, humic infused water.
  • dump and mix entire batch, back and forth, between two 32 gal cans. Once thoroughly mixed, cover and leave alone in <50*F to 'cook'
  • once a week dump and mix the soil, adding water if necessary to maintain moisture at original level.
Be easy!
Dr.J
:leaf:
Thanks for the details, appreciate it. I wasnt sure if I was over or underwarering my soil. It doesnt have a lid and its a dry winter so i go a bit heavier on water and added a few teas. Dumb question. Is this mix for both veg and flower? Or should i add more p and k by teas in flower or add more bat guano/rock phosphate in my last transplant before flower? Im just topdressing gaia green 444 in veg and powerbloom 284? once in flower. Thanks!
 
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